NEW RELEASE: DINANTRONICS Elite (C63 / C63S)
10-11-2017, 11:33 AM
#76
I agree with this completely! If I wanted a quiet car I would have bought a boring *** Tesla.
I know vaelin said he didn't get the exhaust firmware update so I guess we will have to wait till another member with the exhaust update and the Dinan piggy back come forward with the information. Personally I have the exhaust update and I LOVE it. I'm really close to pulling the trigger the Dinan but would like more information on this topic.
Joel
I know vaelin said he didn't get the exhaust firmware update so I guess we will have to wait till another member with the exhaust update and the Dinan piggy back come forward with the information. Personally I have the exhaust update and I LOVE it. I'm really close to pulling the trigger the Dinan but would like more information on this topic.
Joel
*see signature.But yeah, I didn't get the firmware update, and have avoided it like the plague from all the reports on here prior. But my exhaust pops/crackles are likely because I'm holding higher boost/rpms now just.. because..
10-11-2017, 04:31 PM
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How involved is install for this piggyback? Do they have to gain direct access to the ECU which I've heard is quite buried in this car. Dinan lists 4 hours of labor for install. Is this time for install locked in by Dinan with it's certified installers or does the installer have the discretion to charge over 4 hours of labor? I can foresee a situation where it could take extra time as these shops are not yet familiar with working in MB engine bays. Is there a set or a suggested hourly labor rate for the USA certified installers to follow? Anybody know how much expense to expect on install?
Another issue that was mentioned to me by my dealer was that a modified car cannot be sold as a CPO car at a later date which would negatively effect the trade in value of the vehicle. Anybody else hear of this? As somebody who tends to cycle through cars an easy and equitable trade for the next toy is important.
Another issue that was mentioned to me by my dealer was that a modified car cannot be sold as a CPO car at a later date which would negatively effect the trade in value of the vehicle. Anybody else hear of this? As somebody who tends to cycle through cars an easy and equitable trade for the next toy is important.
10-11-2017, 04:58 PM
#78
How involved is install for this piggyback? Do they have to gain direct access to the ECU which I've heard is quite buried in this car. Dinan lists 4 hours of labor for install. Is this time for install locked in by Dinan with it's certified installers or does the installer have the discretion to charge over 4 hours of labor? I can foresee a situation where it could take extra time as these shops are not yet familiar with working in MB engine bays. Is there a set or a suggested hourly labor rate for the USA certified installers to follow? Anybody know how much expense to expect on install?
Another issue that was mentioned to me by my dealer was that a modified car cannot be sold as a CPO car at a later date which would negatively effect the trade in value of the vehicle. Anybody else hear of this? As somebody who tends to cycle through cars an easy and equitable trade for the next toy is important.
Another issue that was mentioned to me by my dealer was that a modified car cannot be sold as a CPO car at a later date which would negatively effect the trade in value of the vehicle. Anybody else hear of this? As somebody who tends to cycle through cars an easy and equitable trade for the next toy is important.
I can't comment on the 4 hours from certified installers, but I can say that I spent about 4 hours installing my previous piggyback (prior to Dinan's) which used almost as many sensors. I think 4 hours is a safe amount.
If you revert the car back to stock before trading it in, you'll be fine. Most of the dealer doom-and-gloom comes when you are doing things like downpipes, suspension, etc and don't revert it back to stock.
10-11-2017, 04:59 PM
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No, this (and most piggybacks) do not need access to the ECU, which is in a PITA location.
I can't comment on the 4 hours from certified installers, but I can say that I spent about 4 hours installing my previous piggyback (prior to Dinan's) which used almost as many sensors. I think 4 hours is a safe amount.
If you revert the car back to stock before trading it in, you'll be fine. Most of the dealer doom-and-gloom comes when you are doing things like downpipes, suspension, etc and don't revert it back to stock.
I can't comment on the 4 hours from certified installers, but I can say that I spent about 4 hours installing my previous piggyback (prior to Dinan's) which used almost as many sensors. I think 4 hours is a safe amount.
If you revert the car back to stock before trading it in, you'll be fine. Most of the dealer doom-and-gloom comes when you are doing things like downpipes, suspension, etc and don't revert it back to stock.
10-11-2017, 05:05 PM
#80
That's assuming (a) the dealer had to mark it due to a warranty issue and (b) you trade in at a MB dealer.
I had a modded CLA45 prior to my C63S. No issues with trade-in/return (at my usual MB dealer) and they gave me full KBB Blue Book trade-in value for it. And my service advisor even asked me how much more power I got.
I had a modded CLA45 prior to my C63S. No issues with trade-in/return (at my usual MB dealer) and they gave me full KBB Blue Book trade-in value for it. And my service advisor even asked me how much more power I got.
10-11-2017, 05:07 PM
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That's assuming (a) the dealer had to mark it due to a warranty issue and (b) you trade in at a MB dealer.
I had a modded CLA45 prior to my C63S. No issues with trade-in/return (at my usual MB dealer) and they gave me full KBB Blue Book trade-in value for it. And my service advisor even asked me how much more power I got.
I had a modded CLA45 prior to my C63S. No issues with trade-in/return (at my usual MB dealer) and they gave me full KBB Blue Book trade-in value for it. And my service advisor even asked me how much more power I got.
10-11-2017, 06:25 PM
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How involved is install for this piggyback? Do they have to gain direct access to the ECU which I've heard is quite buried in this car. Dinan lists 4 hours of labor for install. Is this time for install locked in by Dinan with it's certified installers or does the installer have the discretion to charge over 4 hours of labor? I can foresee a situation where it could take extra time as these shops are not yet familiar with working in MB engine bays. Is there a set or a suggested hourly labor rate for the USA certified installers to follow? Anybody know how much expense to expect on install?
Another issue that was mentioned to me by my dealer was that a modified car cannot be sold as a CPO car at a later date which would negatively effect the trade in value of the vehicle. Anybody else hear of this? As somebody who tends to cycle through cars an easy and equitable trade for the next toy is important.
Another issue that was mentioned to me by my dealer was that a modified car cannot be sold as a CPO car at a later date which would negatively effect the trade in value of the vehicle. Anybody else hear of this? As somebody who tends to cycle through cars an easy and equitable trade for the next toy is important.
10-11-2017, 11:51 PM
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Apologize for the delayed responses. Won't officially be back from a mini-vacation until this coming Monday but had a WIFI signal and knew I didn't want to be buried up to my eyeballs upon my return if I could help it so here I am.
BIG thank you to Vaelin for answering what questions he could. Saved me a bunch of time. =)
No. Leave it in. You wouldn't want to take that thing out anyway. Crap is buried and it would be a PITA to do all the time.
A piggyback tune would have no bearing on exhaust noises. A piggyback in the most simplest of terms is boosting the stock map and not making ANY changes to the base programming which is where all those burbles and stuff come from. An ECU tune, while more comprehensive, CAN alter those variables which effect the burbles/over run etc. Not to say they will always affect it as some tuners may program them back in but an ECU tune is the only way those would be affected if the point.
Should be noted that the Dinan warranty is not a 3rd party warranty (like an extended warranty) it is solely backed by Dinan. We put our money where are mouth is so to speak. There is no true middle man at play in our warranty claims. Its BMW/MB, the dealership to a small degree and us. If MB USA determines that whatever failure occurred due to a Dinan part (within reason and can be "proven" under the Magnusson Moss act, we step in and cover the claim. Its really as simple as that. Given, in the early going I think its safe to say there will be some claims that will be fought a bit to keep MB USA honest but it wont put the end user in a pinch. It will be hashed out behind the scenes. We have done this for 25+ years with the factory matching warranty so its not something totally new and something we don't stand behind. If we didn't we wouldn't be in over half of the BMW dealerships across the country (including BMW's flagship corporate store in Manhattan). We intend to do the same with MB.
Install is slated at 4 hours for someone who is familiar with the install and wants to do it right as far as harness mounting. It could probably be done a bit faster but it wouldn't be as pretty of a presentation. It could also take 6 hours for someone doing it for the first time and being methodical. Theres a lot of possibilities but there is quite a bit of removal and getting access to sensros which takes some time. We cannto force a dealer to abide by our recommended install times as it is THEIR labor after all but most follow suit regardless. Just make sure to get a quote ahead of time and if they are trying to bill for some absurd amount of time for the install ask why or get a quote from a different shop.
As far as CPO goes. Just bring it back to stock before trade-in and you should be fine. CPO's are one of he biggest forms of income for all dealers in the new era of lease's. Don't give them a reason to reject a car from CPO that is blatantly in their face and they won't. They want that cash cow a second time around just as bad as you want to get rid of it for a new toy.
Of the couple test cars we have had in the bay area a couple have made it into dealers and they were all greeted with excitement and a bevy of questions for the customer as well as Dinan. We have been surprised how open at least our local dealers have been to the tunes considering the stigma we always here about MB dealers and how anti-aftermarket they are.
See above.
BIG thank you to Vaelin for answering what questions he could. Saved me a bunch of time. =)
Its pretty much the warranty thing. If my engine blows or turbos blow, etc due to the tune and Mercedes doesn't want to cover it, ill be glad i paid a little more for warranty from DINAN.
That said.. DINAN, do I need to remove the box everytime i take the car to the dealer? IM sure if they see it once theyll mark the car modded in the MBUSA system.
That said.. DINAN, do I need to remove the box everytime i take the car to the dealer? IM sure if they see it once theyll mark the car modded in the MBUSA system.
I agree with this completely! If I wanted a quiet car I would have bought a boring *** Tesla.
I know vaelin said he didn't get the exhaust firmware update so I guess we will have to wait till another member with the exhaust update and the Dinan piggy back come forward with the information. Personally I have the exhaust update and I LOVE it. I'm really close to pulling the trigger the Dinan but would like more information on this topic.
Joel
I know vaelin said he didn't get the exhaust firmware update so I guess we will have to wait till another member with the exhaust update and the Dinan piggy back come forward with the information. Personally I have the exhaust update and I LOVE it. I'm really close to pulling the trigger the Dinan but would like more information on this topic.
Joel
I've always wondered how this works, especially since Dinan doesn't have the dealer relationship with MB like it does with BMW.
I just keep thinking in my head about all the horror stories I've heard about home warranties. Everyone is so happy when they sign up thinking everything is covered only to find out how they really function. When they try to make a claim, they find out very quickly the enormous amount of red tape they have to go through, all the approvals that have to take place, all the run around they have to deal with juggling all the personalities they have to deal with whose entire business interest directly revolves around not covering what should be covered, and then the hassle of the shoddy repairmen they are forced to deal with if they want it covered. And in the meantime your A/C is out for over a month in the middle of a heat wave.
I just keep thinking in my head about all the horror stories I've heard about home warranties. Everyone is so happy when they sign up thinking everything is covered only to find out how they really function. When they try to make a claim, they find out very quickly the enormous amount of red tape they have to go through, all the approvals that have to take place, all the run around they have to deal with juggling all the personalities they have to deal with whose entire business interest directly revolves around not covering what should be covered, and then the hassle of the shoddy repairmen they are forced to deal with if they want it covered. And in the meantime your A/C is out for over a month in the middle of a heat wave.
How involved is install for this piggyback? Do they have to gain direct access to the ECU which I've heard is quite buried in this car. Dinan lists 4 hours of labor for install. Is this time for install locked in by Dinan with it's certified installers or does the installer have the discretion to charge over 4 hours of labor? I can foresee a situation where it could take extra time as these shops are not yet familiar with working in MB engine bays. Is there a set or a suggested hourly labor rate for the USA certified installers to follow? Anybody know how much expense to expect on install?
Another issue that was mentioned to me by my dealer was that a modified car cannot be sold as a CPO car at a later date which would negatively effect the trade in value of the vehicle. Anybody else hear of this? As somebody who tends to cycle through cars an easy and equitable trade for the next toy is important.
Another issue that was mentioned to me by my dealer was that a modified car cannot be sold as a CPO car at a later date which would negatively effect the trade in value of the vehicle. Anybody else hear of this? As somebody who tends to cycle through cars an easy and equitable trade for the next toy is important.
As far as CPO goes. Just bring it back to stock before trade-in and you should be fine. CPO's are one of he biggest forms of income for all dealers in the new era of lease's. Don't give them a reason to reject a car from CPO that is blatantly in their face and they won't. They want that cash cow a second time around just as bad as you want to get rid of it for a new toy.
Of the couple test cars we have had in the bay area a couple have made it into dealers and they were all greeted with excitement and a bevy of questions for the customer as well as Dinan. We have been surprised how open at least our local dealers have been to the tunes considering the stigma we always here about MB dealers and how anti-aftermarket they are.
I would be shocked if the install took anywhere near 4 hours. It really does not seem that difficult. Yank the air boxes, take a few screws out, lay out the harness, clip in the sensors, tidy up the wiring and plug it into the main box which just get velcro'd in. I thought I read in this thread or in the pre-launch thread that the install time was really 1 hour if you knew your way around it, or more like 2 hours if you're taking your time for the first time through the process. The 4 hours might account for testing and whatnot.
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10-12-2017, 08:08 AM
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Of the couple test cars we have had in the bay area a couple have made it into dealers and they were all greeted with excitement and a bevy of questions for the customer as well as Dinan. We have been surprised how open at least our local dealers have been to the tunes considering the stigma we always here about MB dealers and how anti-aftermarket they are.
10-12-2017, 02:13 PM
#85
Dealer saw it right away. When you're looking at the engine bay on a daily basis, you can easily see these things. Just checking oil and air filters would have you going by where the harness sensors go, multiple times.
Needless to say, I wouldn't try to pull the wool over their eyes.
Needless to say, I wouldn't try to pull the wool over their eyes.
10-13-2017, 12:17 PM
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Thanks for all the nice updates. Any plans to put a video out of an install? The directions on the site seem fine, but possibly oversimplify some steps, if the install really is a 4-6 hour affair. A YouTube showing detailed steps and the entire process A to Z could be really nice to have.
Meaning the dealers detected it right away and asked about it, or did the owners proactively mention it? My hunch is that any normal routine maintenance, it is not going to be noticed, but maybe each visit the car gets hooked up to the computer in the shop and it is glaringly obvious to them?
Meaning the dealers detected it right away and asked about it, or did the owners proactively mention it? My hunch is that any normal routine maintenance, it is not going to be noticed, but maybe each visit the car gets hooked up to the computer in the shop and it is glaringly obvious to them?
I can't speak for all of them but the 2 instances I am aware of the dealer noticed it pretty much immediately and started asking the customer questions about it and wanted to take it for a spin and all that jazz. They seemed to be pretty pumped on it though. The more recent one the customer let the dealer know ahead of time, they were appreciative knowing up front and knew who to call if they ran into something that they needed help with. Was a pretty brief conversation from what I was told but smooth and cordial nonetheless.
Dealer saw it right away. When you're looking at the engine bay on a daily basis, you can easily see these things. Just checking oil and air filters would have you going by where the harness sensors go, multiple times.
Needless to say, I wouldn't try to pull the wool over their eyes.
Needless to say, I wouldn't try to pull the wool over their eyes.
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vaelin (10-13-2017)
10-14-2017, 02:49 PM
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Apologize for the delayed responses. Won't officially be back from a mini-vacation until this coming Monday but had a WIFI signal and knew I didn't want to be buried up to my eyeballs upon my return if I could help it so here I am.
BIG thank you to Vaelin for answering what questions he could. Saved me a bunch of time. =)
No. Leave it in. You wouldn't want to take that thing out anyway. Crap is buried and it would be a PITA to do all the time.
A piggyback tune would have no bearing on exhaust noises. A piggyback in the most simplest of terms is boosting the stock map and not making ANY changes to the base programming which is where all those burbles and stuff come from. An ECU tune, while more comprehensive, CAN alter those variables which effect the burbles/over run etc. Not to say they will always affect it as some tuners may program them back in but an ECU tune is the only way those would be affected if the point.
Should be noted that the Dinan warranty is not a 3rd party warranty (like an extended warranty) it is solely backed by Dinan. We put our money where are mouth is so to speak. There is no true middle man at play in our warranty claims. Its BMW/MB, the dealership to a small degree and us. If MB USA determines that whatever failure occurred due to a Dinan part (within reason and can be "proven" under the Magnusson Moss act, we step in and cover the claim. Its really as simple as that. Given, in the early going I think its safe to say there will be some claims that will be fought a bit to keep MB USA honest but it wont put the end user in a pinch. It will be hashed out behind the scenes. We have done this for 25+ years with the factory matching warranty so its not something totally new and something we don't stand behind. If we didn't we wouldn't be in over half of the BMW dealerships across the country (including BMW's flagship corporate store in Manhattan). We intend to do the same with MB.
Install is slated at 4 hours for someone who is familiar with the install and wants to do it right as far as harness mounting. It could probably be done a bit faster but it wouldn't be as pretty of a presentation. It could also take 6 hours for someone doing it for the first time and being methodical. Theres a lot of possibilities but there is quite a bit of removal and getting access to sensros which takes some time. We cannto force a dealer to abide by our recommended install times as it is THEIR labor after all but most follow suit regardless. Just make sure to get a quote ahead of time and if they are trying to bill for some absurd amount of time for the install ask why or get a quote from a different shop.
As far as CPO goes. Just bring it back to stock before trade-in and you should be fine. CPO's are one of he biggest forms of income for all dealers in the new era of lease's. Don't give them a reason to reject a car from CPO that is blatantly in their face and they won't. They want that cash cow a second time around just as bad as you want to get rid of it for a new toy.
Of the couple test cars we have had in the bay area a couple have made it into dealers and they were all greeted with excitement and a bevy of questions for the customer as well as Dinan. We have been surprised how open at least our local dealers have been to the tunes considering the stigma we always here about MB dealers and how anti-aftermarket they are.
See above.
BIG thank you to Vaelin for answering what questions he could. Saved me a bunch of time. =)
No. Leave it in. You wouldn't want to take that thing out anyway. Crap is buried and it would be a PITA to do all the time.
A piggyback tune would have no bearing on exhaust noises. A piggyback in the most simplest of terms is boosting the stock map and not making ANY changes to the base programming which is where all those burbles and stuff come from. An ECU tune, while more comprehensive, CAN alter those variables which effect the burbles/over run etc. Not to say they will always affect it as some tuners may program them back in but an ECU tune is the only way those would be affected if the point.
Should be noted that the Dinan warranty is not a 3rd party warranty (like an extended warranty) it is solely backed by Dinan. We put our money where are mouth is so to speak. There is no true middle man at play in our warranty claims. Its BMW/MB, the dealership to a small degree and us. If MB USA determines that whatever failure occurred due to a Dinan part (within reason and can be "proven" under the Magnusson Moss act, we step in and cover the claim. Its really as simple as that. Given, in the early going I think its safe to say there will be some claims that will be fought a bit to keep MB USA honest but it wont put the end user in a pinch. It will be hashed out behind the scenes. We have done this for 25+ years with the factory matching warranty so its not something totally new and something we don't stand behind. If we didn't we wouldn't be in over half of the BMW dealerships across the country (including BMW's flagship corporate store in Manhattan). We intend to do the same with MB.
Install is slated at 4 hours for someone who is familiar with the install and wants to do it right as far as harness mounting. It could probably be done a bit faster but it wouldn't be as pretty of a presentation. It could also take 6 hours for someone doing it for the first time and being methodical. Theres a lot of possibilities but there is quite a bit of removal and getting access to sensros which takes some time. We cannto force a dealer to abide by our recommended install times as it is THEIR labor after all but most follow suit regardless. Just make sure to get a quote ahead of time and if they are trying to bill for some absurd amount of time for the install ask why or get a quote from a different shop.
As far as CPO goes. Just bring it back to stock before trade-in and you should be fine. CPO's are one of he biggest forms of income for all dealers in the new era of lease's. Don't give them a reason to reject a car from CPO that is blatantly in their face and they won't. They want that cash cow a second time around just as bad as you want to get rid of it for a new toy.
Of the couple test cars we have had in the bay area a couple have made it into dealers and they were all greeted with excitement and a bevy of questions for the customer as well as Dinan. We have been surprised how open at least our local dealers have been to the tunes considering the stigma we always here about MB dealers and how anti-aftermarket they are.
See above.
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10-19-2017, 05:49 PM
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With warranty and emissions involved there are no plans for support of catless downpipes (not worth the fines nor getting away from the good graces of CARB and our 20+ year relationship).
As far as WHP numbers--- Vaelin posted his cars dyno charts in another thread (https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-c63s-...-thread-4.html).
As far as WHP numbers--- Vaelin posted his cars dyno charts in another thread (https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-c63s-...-thread-4.html).
10-19-2017, 06:13 PM
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alright thanks for the feed back. would a full exhaust system with cats work?
10-25-2017, 04:33 PM
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Received mine today!
Have an appointment for tomorrow morning to get it installed at Steve Dinan Auto Tech in San Jose.
New Pilot PS4S tires being put on Friday.
Will make a full review!
Have an appointment for tomorrow morning to get it installed at Steve Dinan Auto Tech in San Jose.
New Pilot PS4S tires being put on Friday.
Will make a full review!
10-25-2017, 05:18 PM
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10-25-2017, 11:58 PM
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10-26-2017, 01:23 PM
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One of the guys was telling me after they did their suspension work on the C63s, Steve Dinan said it drove better than any BMW ever.
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