Hi, I’ve owned a C63s for the past 8 months. I love it. However, as the subject states, would you trade it in for a Cayman GT4?
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Probably. I don’t need back seats or a spacious trunk. The GT4 is not going to significantly depreciate. It might even appreciate a bit more in the next decade. And it’s a hell of a car.
But, allow me to add a couple of controversial hot takes: The GT4 was deliberately over geared in order to slow it down. And there should have been a PDK option.
But, allow me to add a couple of controversial hot takes: The GT4 was deliberately over geared in order to slow it down. And there should have been a PDK option.
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I’m actually just about to sell my C63S for a 981 Cayman GTS.Originally Posted by PL599
Hi, I’ve owned a C63s for the past 8 months. I love it. However, as the subject states, would you trade it in for a Cayman GT4?
The C63S has exhilarating straight line speed, a good exhaust note, and a nice interior, but I find the Cayman sportier and a bit more engaging.
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Absolutely. Im just out of owning 911s for the past decade. As the poster above states, they really are engaging automobiles, so much response and feel. Like with everything else, there are give-ups, but if small and sporty is what one is after those cars work well, the GT4s especially. What an amazing [track) car.
add: I disagree that the C63s is only fun in a straight line (have some of you seen the car driven on the track? It appears quite capable). Around town, and as a daily driver, the C63s is a lot more fun than the Porsche’s I’ve owned. Up in the canyons perhaps a different story.
add: I disagree that the C63s is only fun in a straight line (have some of you seen the car driven on the track? It appears quite capable). Around town, and as a daily driver, the C63s is a lot more fun than the Porsche’s I’ve owned. Up in the canyons perhaps a different story.
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It’s good from an investment perspective, but I wouldn’t trade mine for a GT4. However, I would take a 991.2 C2/C2S over the C63S all day. In fact, It’ll more than likely be my next daily.
GT4’s gearing is way too tall to have “responsible” fun in. I love a good manual, but not when 2nd gear tops out above legal highway speeds (about 75mph at redline).
GT4’s gearing is way too tall to have “responsible” fun in. I love a good manual, but not when 2nd gear tops out above legal highway speeds (about 75mph at redline).
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I live in So Cal and take my c63s coupe in the canyons every weekend and it is a blast. I cannot find a car that is as well rounded as the c63s coupe. It is great in a strait line as well as in the canyons. It still brings a smile to my face everytime I drive it. I normally am tired of a car after 6 months and start looking for my next one. It will be a year(and 10K miles) in a week and I have looked and there is nothing under $150K that would trade my AMG for. I keep looking at 911's but they are a dime a dozen where I live and I have driven the new 911s and they just do not do it for me. I am sure the new 2018 911GT3 would but the amounts they are getting over MSRP is crazy. I am still looking for a replacement but so far the c63s is the best all around car in the price range for me anyways. If the GT4 came with a PDK I would have already bought one. I only have one car and driving in LA traffic in a manual is not something I can deal with. If I was to get a second car the GT4 would be first on my list.
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Originally Posted by PL599
Hi, I’ve owned a C63s for the past 8 months. I love it. However, as the subject states, would you trade it in for a Cayman GT4?
GT4 was my first choice but since there was a wait list at the time and private sellers selling it at a higher price I ended up with the C63S which was a great decision have not thought about the GT4 until I saw this thread. I say go for it if you want a pure driving machine meaning manual transmission which I kinda miss
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Exactly. The gearing isn't a fatal flaw but it's annoying when the rest of the car is so well done. Sharkwerks can fix the gear ratios but that's expensive and can impact resale.Originally Posted by AlexZTuned
It’s good from an investment perspective, but I wouldn’t trade mine for a GT4. However, I would take a 991.2 C2/C2S over the C63S all day. In fact, It’ll more than likely be my next daily.
GT4’s gearing is way too tall to have “responsible” fun in. I love a good manual, but not when 2nd gear tops out above legal highway speeds (about 75mph at redline).
GT4’s gearing is way too tall to have “responsible” fun in. I love a good manual, but not when 2nd gear tops out above legal highway speeds (about 75mph at redline).
I'd still gladly drive one, though. It's basically a free car. You can have your fun with it and recoup your money.
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Agreed. Took mine up the Angeles Crest to become more acquainted with it and I was very impressed. Is it as nimble and sure footed as a 911? I don’t think so but only because if its weight advantage. I too think it’s a perfectly well rounded car, something the 911 or GT4 can’t match. A stick in Los Ang for daily driving? No thanks as well.
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Recently I've had: F80 M3, 981 GTS, 997 GT3, 997 TT, 997 C2S, C7 Z06... amongst others. The C63 scratches all of my itches so far. I'm taking it for a first track day in a few weeks, so excited about that. But as a Porschephile I can confidently say the only one I would own eventually would be a 991 GT3; the rest (in my opinion) are below my AMG in terms of the complete package (handling, sound, tunability, fun, looks, speed, practicality).
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Keep in mind that this first generation of GT4 isn't really a true GT car because of its engine: only a detuned 991 C2S block. I'm guessing the next iteration will feature an older GT3 motor though, and will have PDK.Originally Posted by PL599
Hi, I’ve owned a C63s for the past 8 months. I love it. However, as the subject states, would you trade it in for a Cayman GT4?
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I’m actually just about to sell my C63S for a 981 Cayman GTS.
The C63S has exhilarating straight line speed, a good exhaust note, and a nice interior, but I find the Cayman sportier and a bit more engaging.
I had one for 6 months. Great car, but lacking in many ways. Took mine on the track several times. In sum, it lacks power. Typical Cayman problem though. And it's not that tunable. Sure, mid-engine handling is great, but Porsche keeps this car firmly beneath the 911 in terms of HP/TQ.Originally Posted by obbob
I’m actually just about to sell my C63S for a 981 Cayman GTS.
The C63S has exhilarating straight line speed, a good exhaust note, and a nice interior, but I find the Cayman sportier and a bit more engaging.
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I also think the 991 models (ex-GT cars) are overpriced for what you get. I’m not as keen on the Cayman’s relative value.
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I feel all Porsches are overpriced for what you get. It's my main struggle with the brand, and why I left after recently owning 5 of them.Originally Posted by oajr
I also think the 991 models (ex-GT cars) are overpriced for what you get. I’m not as keen on the Cayman’s relative value.
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If you think the 981 GT4 is a good investment you are kidding yourself. Porsche is about to announce a new one likely with a detuned GT3 engine which means they will drop quite a bit. A lot of Porschephiles are latest greatest types and the old car will get dumped. I owned one. Great chassis but way underpowered. Better street car than track IMHO. I would recommend a 991.1 GT3 instead. Great value now that .2's are landing and they now have 10yr 120k mile engine warranty. That car is a fully engineered GT car and a hoot to drive.
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Agreed 100%. The GT4 was a band-aid Andreas pulled out of his **** to appease the manual-GT3 whiners. I’m sure the next version will be better, but still underpowered. Caymans quite simply are a tease. Great chassis, underwhelming engines. If a 991 GT3 is too much, and you have to have a Porsche, then go 997 GT3. Pure, visceral, and a true GT car.Originally Posted by ChrisCF
If you think the 981 GT4 is a good investment you are kidding yourself. Porsche is about to announce a new one likely with a detuned GT3 engine which means they will drop quite a bit. A lot of Porschephiles are latest greatest types and the old car will get dumped. I owned one. Great chassis but way underpowered. Better street car than track IMHO. I would recommend a 991.1 GT3 instead. Great value now that .2's are landing and they now have 10yr 120k mile engine warranty. That car is a fully engineered GT car and a hoot to drive.
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Also agree. 997.2 GT3 in particular is one of the greatest cars I've ever driven/owned.
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Probably true. I had a .1 and loved it!Originally Posted by ChrisCF
Also agree. 997.2 GT3 in particular is one of the greatest cars I've ever driven/owned.
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If I wanted that, I would have kept my 996 Turbo.
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YES. I actually had a GT4 and came back to a C63S but the GT4 is better in every way other than straight line acceleration but I think it's a waste of a car unless you track or canyon run your care very very often. The AMG is def a better all rounder that can be a daily. I dailyed my GT4 and that ultimately led to me selling it lol
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The GT4 is not underpowered. They fined tuned that car so it corners like nothing else and you will be surprised by how quick it actually is. I was blown away by how Porsche is able to build these cars that don't look like much on paper but work extremely well in real life. I think a comparison to the iPhone is very accurate in that the iPhone doesn't have the highest specs but just quicker or better than most other smartphones. So is the case with Porsche GT carsOriginally Posted by K3v7n
Agreed 100%. The GT4 was a band-aid Andreas pulled out of his **** to appease the manual-GT3 whiners. I’m sure the next version will be better, but still underpowered. Caymans quite simply are a tease. Great chassis, underwhelming engines. If a 991 GT3 is too much, and you have to have a Porsche, then go 997 GT3. Pure, visceral, and a true GT car.
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It is absolutely underpowered. I confirmed this with GMG who say the engine is detuned even from the normal 991 C2S block.Originally Posted by Kevin Tu
The GT4 is not underpowered. They fined tuned that car so it corners like nothing else and you will be surprised by how quick it actually is. I was blown away by how Porsche is able to build these cars that don't look like much on paper but work extremely well in real life. I think a comparison to the iPhone is very accurate in that the iPhone doesn't have the highest specs but just quicker or better than most other smartphones. So is the case with Porsche GT cars
It's not a GT engine either which is lame.
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It is absolutely underpowered. I confirmed this with GMG who say the engine is detuned even from the normal 991 C2S block.
It's not a GT engine either which is lame.
I threw some headers and a tune on mine before I even drove it so I don't really know how it feels stock but go drive on a track and you will not be disappointed. The power it has makes it very drive-able at the limit without oversteering a tonOriginally Posted by K3v7n
It is absolutely underpowered. I confirmed this with GMG who say the engine is detuned even from the normal 991 C2S block.
It's not a GT engine either which is lame.
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Totally; not questioning its quality, more how Porsche should have put more effort into it. A 991 GT3 is far superior in many ways; from engine to transmission. But that's how the Flacht folks want it to be! ;-)Originally Posted by Kevin Tu
I threw some headers and a tune on mine before I even drove it so I don't really know how it feels stock but go drive on a track and you will not be disappointed. The power it has makes it very drive-able at the limit without oversteering a ton
