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Old May 15, 2018 | 05:55 PM
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Intercoolers role in C63s / Coupe w205

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This might sounds like a weird topic but I am trying to wrap my head around what the 2 intercoolers on either side of the car ( visible right below the headlights do ) actually do in the C63s. Initially I thought the intercoolers' job was to cool the hot air getting out of the turbos and into the engine. But apparently the two intercoolers on the C63s / Coupe are there to cool the transmission oil. So I started reading about the 9G Transmission ( since it will be standard in the facelift ) and this is what I found on page 44 :
http://documents.epfl.ch/users/f/fr/...002_002_en.pdf
This document shows that the intercooler actually cools the Transmission oil directly but sucking it without the using any kind of coolant , but when I check C63s photos, I can clearly see the Intercooler Coolant reservoir just behind the air intake.
So my questions are :
1.If the intercoolers are responsible for cooling the transmission oil directly then what's the point of having the Intercooler coolant fluid ?
2.if the Intercooler are responsible for cooling the transmission then how is the air getting into the engine cooled ?
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Old May 15, 2018 | 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Neapolis
Hello everyone,

This might sounds like a weird topic but I am trying to wrap my head around what the intercoolers actually do in the C63s. Initially I thought the intercoolers' job was to cool the hot air getting out of the turbos and into the engine. But apparently the two intercoolers on the C63s / Coupe are there to cool the transmission oil. So I started reading about the 9G Transmission ( since it will be standard in the facelift ) and this is what I found on page 44 :
http://documents.epfl.ch/users/f/fr/...002_002_en.pdf
This document shows that the intercooler actually cools the Transmission oil directly but sucking it without the using any kind of coolant , but when I check C63s photos, I can clearly see the Intercooler Coolant reservoir just behind the air intake.
So my questions are :
1.If the intercoolers are responsible for cooling the transmission oil directly then what's the point of having the Intercooler coolant fluid ?
2.if the Intercooler are responsible for cooling the transmission then how is the air getting into the engine cooled ?
Thank you .
There are 2 inter coolers to cool the intake air to the engine and a separate transmission oil cooler to keep the oil in the trans at an appropriate temp. the trans oil in pumped to a radiator up front and cooled.

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Old May 15, 2018 | 06:11 PM
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There are 2 inter coolers to cool the intake air to the engine and a separate transmission oil cooler to keep the oil in the trans at an appropriate temp. the trans oil in pumped to a radiator up front and cooled.
can you please tell me where the transmission cooler is located in the C63 w205 ?
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Old May 15, 2018 | 06:25 PM
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can you please tell me where the transmission cooler is located in the C63 w205 ?
The trans cooler is at the bottom of the engine radiator and gets air to cool it up from the bottom-(horizontal). the 2 inter coolers are outboard and in a vertical plane to cool the air from the turbos before entering the engine intake ports.
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Old May 15, 2018 | 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by RDOCA
The trans cooler is at the bottom of the engine radiator and gets air to cool it up from the bottom-(horizontal). the 2 inter coolers are outboard and in a vertical plane to cool the air from the turbos before entering the engine intake ports.
that's what i thought too . But if you check this video of shmee at minute 8:54 , having to deal with a broken intercooler ( https://youtu.be/zPeKk2tsUKE ) he says the one on the right is actually responsible for the tran cooling . So that leaves the left one for engine air cooling and no inter cooler on the engine radiator ? It's a GT R but i think the set up is identical to that of the c63 since the engines are so similar.
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Old May 15, 2018 | 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Neapolis
that's what i thought too . But if you check this video of shmee at minute 8:54 , having to deal with a broken intercooler ( https://youtu.be/zPeKk2tsUKE ) he says the one on the right is actually responsible for the tran cooling . So that leaves the left one for engine air cooling and no inter cooler on the engine radiator ? It's a GT R but i think the set up is identical to that of the c63 since the engines are so similar.
No each side has a seperate inter cooler.
You can look and see the inlet to the air box with filter and out to turbo and down to the inter cooler and then to the manifold feeding the intakes--Google it and see some pics with the engine alone with all inter coolers etc

.https://www.autoblog.com/2014/07/25/...#slide-2797123

look at this and you will see--this is the 178 and not our 177 but same

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Old May 15, 2018 | 09:49 PM
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There are air-to-water intercoolers for each bank.


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Old May 16, 2018 | 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by RDOCA
No each side has a seperate inter cooler.
You can look and see the inlet to the air box with filter and out to turbo and down to the inter cooler and then to the manifold feeding the intakes--Google it and see some pics with the engine alone with all inter coolers etc

.https://www.autoblog.com/2014/07/25/...#slide-2797123

look at this and you will see--this is the 178 and not our 177 but same
So the C63s has 4 intercoolers , 2 for the engine which are "attached" to it and 2 for the transmission which are further down below the headlights ?
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Originally Posted by AlexZTuned
There are air-to-water intercoolers for each bank.


Great pics ! Love how they have this blue tint to them .
So those 2 intercoolers at each corner under the headlights are for the transmission oil?
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Old May 19, 2018 | 07:39 AM
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Great pics ! Love how they have this blue tint to them .
So those 2 intercoolers at each corner under the headlights are for the transmission oil?
These are great pictures but it would be great to see the whole system layed out with descriptions of what each cooleriscresponsible for.
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Old May 20, 2018 | 02:40 AM
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These are great pictures but it would be great to see the whole system layed out with descriptions of what each cooleriscresponsible for.
Check out this video:

2:02 mark shows the layout of the turbo's, intercooler etc.
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Old May 20, 2018 | 04:26 AM
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So if the left and right side air dams are the heat exchangers for the turbo intercoolers what's the vertical cooler that sits in front of the radiator look after?

On my car this centre vertical cooler is puntured and empties out the small reservoir in front of these turbos.

The above diagram in the video video does not show that the intercooler system is connected to the centre vertical or small horizontal coolers.

From memory the small horizontal cooler is for the transmission so what is so what is the vertical cooler for???

Or, are all the heat exchangers plumbed together to this one reservoir?
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Old May 20, 2018 | 04:31 AM
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The right is the cooler that I have punctured.

What do these two Dime heat exchangers look after?


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There are 3 cooling circuits on our cars.

The first cooling circuit is like any other car and uses the large main radiator/heat exchanger sitting behind the center grille. This is your normal coolant that cools the engine like any other car. It ties into the large coolant reservoir up front on the passenger side.

The second circuit is your engine oil cooler. This circuit runs through the long, thin heat exchanger that is in front of and below the main radiator. This is the heat exchanger that is exposed under the car. My understanding is this is an air-to-oil cooler that doesn't have coolant running through it.

The third circuit is the intake air coolers and transmission cooler. For whatever reason these two work off the same cooling circuit. The intake heat exchangers are the two coolers on the left and right side of the front. Each cools air for the corresponding intake side of the engine. The transmission heat exchanger is an element within the main radiator. It looks like one large unit, but it has seperate elements for the main cooling needs and the transmission needs. The intake coolers and the transmission coolers all tie into the same coolant circuit that uses both the reservoir on top on the engine and one located directly below it.

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Old Aug 3, 2018 | 12:24 AM
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So what yall have figured is as your transmission heats up, so does the intake air Temps because it's using the same coolant...


If someone would make a separation kit that would be ideal....
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So what yall have figured is as your transmission heats up, so does the intake air Temps because it's using the same coolant...


If someone would make a separation kit that would be ideal....
I doubt it, because the transmission temperature stays very very steady, even on hot days under load.

So the system still has more cooling capacity than it needs.

Perhaps with a tune and more boost, that's when it starts to push the limits of the cooling.
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Originally Posted by msd3075
There are 3 cooling circuits on our cars.

The first cooling circuit is like any other car and uses the large main radiator/heat exchanger sitting behind the center grille. This is your normal coolant that cools the engine like any other car. It ties into the large coolant reservoir up front on the passenger side.

The second circuit is your engine oil cooler. This circuit runs through the long, thin heat exchanger that is in front of and below the main radiator. This is the heat exchanger that is exposed under the car. My understanding is this is an air-to-oil cooler that doesn't have coolant running through it.

The third circuit is the intake air coolers and transmission cooler. For whatever reason these two work off the same cooling circuit. The intake heat exchangers are the two coolers on the left and right side of the front. Each cools air for the corresponding intake side of the engine. The transmission heat exchanger is an element within the main radiator. It looks like one large unit, but it has seperate elements for the main cooling needs and the transmission needs. The intake coolers and the transmission coolers all tie into the same coolant circuit that uses both the reservoir on top on the engine and one located directly below it.
So installing a interchiller will it replace the main one or two separate ones ?
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Confusing heat exchangers for intercoolers?
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Confusing heat exchangers for intercoolers?
Exactly.

But why make so much sense? Where's the fun in that?
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Though I’d put some photos up of my upgraded heat exchangers that I had ARE Cooling in Brisbane fabricate after puncturing the factory unit.





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Though I’d put some photos up of my upgraded heat exchangers that I had ARE Cooling in Brisbane fabricate after puncturing the factory unit.



Have you had this installed yet? If so, have you noticed any reduction in temperatures?
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Have you had this installed yet? If so, have you noticed any reduction in temperatures?
Slight reduction in temp but mainly had these made due to the ease of the factory ones being damaged.

These cores are top quality and approximately 5 times stronger than the AMG ones are and bolt straight in.

The total system now holds approximately 3 litres more coolant as well.

Search my user name RDO247 for the thread I posted up a year ago.

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This would be the best way to cool the air and add extra octane to your system

https://www.burgertuning.com/product...e5492573&_ss=r
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