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Old Dec 14, 2018 | 08:40 PM
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Count me in! Will it be sold as a package with the intake?

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Old Dec 15, 2018 | 05:35 PM
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Just swapped from a '15 F30 340i to a '17 C63S, had the JB4 in the 340i and absolutely loved it. Looking forward to staying in the BMS family if we can get the JB4 for the C63S.

Question - will this JB4 have the same in dash controls as the BMW B58 variant versions?
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Old Dec 15, 2018 | 11:05 PM
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On the in dash controls the short answer is eventually. I have a good lead on the cash commands but have not cracked them yet. So plan on using the JB4 mobile app in the mean time for map changes and the sort.
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Old Dec 15, 2018 | 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Gbango
Count me in! Will it be sold as a package with the intake?
We won't have a package per say due to our every day low price business model but after tune intake is a great bang for the buck modification. And the more boost you run the more of a benefit the intake provides. They go very well together.
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Old Dec 16, 2018 | 12:05 AM
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On the in dash controls the short answer is eventually. I have a good lead on the cash commands but have not cracked them yet. So plan on using the JB4 mobile app in the mean time for map changes and the sort.
Mobile app is good enough for now this is very exciting!! Do you know if there was be commands similar to the bmw B58 platform to keep exhaust flaps to be always open? Cold starts sound amazing with flaps open
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Old Dec 16, 2018 | 12:21 AM
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Why so much discounting on these tunes and apps? Seems to me that a program that will improve the performance of an expensive vehicle by a significant amount ought to command a higher price tag. Then maybe the manufacturer can afford a warranty and in turn more people would be willing to upgrade their cars with the reassurance that a major mechanical event will be covered.

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Old Dec 16, 2018 | 12:07 PM
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Why so much discounting on these tunes and apps? Seems to me that a program that will improve the performance of an expensive vehicle by a significant amount ought to command a higher price tag. Then maybe the manufacturer can afford a warranty and in turn more people would be willing to upgrade their cars with the reassurance that a major mechanical event will be covered.
Please don't complain about a product being priced well... I'm sure BMS would be willing to sell you a JB4 for 3x more if you request it.

People in the know understand that these warranties offered from tuners only go so far. If you throw a rod through your block, I can almost guarantee you they won't be cutting you a check for $30k.
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Old Dec 16, 2018 | 04:19 PM
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People in the know understand that these warranties offered from tuners only go so far. If you throw a rod through your block, I can almost guarantee you they won't be cutting you a check for $30k.
You'd STILL be up the creek with $30K. That YouTuber who hydrolocked his C63 engine got quoted $71K for the motor ALONE from AMG
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Old Dec 16, 2018 | 06:04 PM
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The economics of providing a warranty on engine tuning just isn't practical for this platform.

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Old Dec 16, 2018 | 06:44 PM
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You'd STILL be up the creek with $30K. That YouTuber who hydrolocked his C63 engine got quoted $71K for the motor ALONE from AMG
Even though the aftermarket can get a replacement long block for less than $10k... That's just MB doing what MB does dude
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Old Dec 16, 2018 | 06:53 PM
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you’re not going to harm an otherwise stock motor if you add a piggyback like the JB4. The knock sensors and other controls are all still there.
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Old Dec 16, 2018 | 10:24 PM
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Yeah... It doesn't mess with the ECU logic, timing, fuel tables, etc..
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Old Dec 16, 2018 | 11:39 PM
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Please don't complain about a product being priced well... I'm sure BMS would be willing to sell you a JB4 for 3x more if you request it.

People in the know understand that these warranties offered from tuners only go so far. If you throw a rod through your block, I can almost guarantee you they won't be cutting you a check for $30k.
I could swear I remember someone who purchased the Dinan tune because it came with a warranty. I just can't seem to remember who that was.
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Old Dec 17, 2018 | 12:11 AM
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Originally Posted by DRGG
I could swear I remember someone who purchased the Dinan tune because it came with a warranty. I just can't seem to remember who that was.
Dinan is an exception as their entire business model revolves around their factory matching drivetrain warranty. They've also been around for nearly four decades, so they're not some fly-by-night tuner that's going to close up shop when someone submits a warranty claim.

Dinan is also now owned by Driven Performance Brands, the same company that now owns APR, Flowmaster, Hurst, B&M, and Holley. Those are some of the biggest names in the aftermarket.

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Old Dec 17, 2018 | 02:09 AM
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Originally Posted by AlexZTuned
Dinan is an exception as their entire business model revolves around their factory matching drivetrain warranty. They've also been around for nearly four decades, so they're not some fly-by-night tuner that's going to close up shop when someone submits a warranty claim.

Dinan is also now owned by Driven Performance Brands, the same company that now owns APR, Flowmaster, Hurst, B&M, and Holley. Those are some of the biggest names in the aftermarket.
Not such a bad business model, now is it? In any event I don't want to hijack the BMS thread. I was just vocalizing something that had been bothering me. I look forward to reading some good reviews, especially from those who can compare different piggybacks.
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Old Dec 17, 2018 | 11:31 AM
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you’re not going to harm an otherwise stock motor if you add a piggyback like the JB4. The knock sensors and other controls are all still there.
Most of the time, no, but there are a fair number of blown motors on piggys.
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Old Dec 17, 2018 | 02:22 PM
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Most of the time, no, but there are a fair number of blown motors on piggys.
As long as you are reasonable and use common sense it should be pretty good. Use the fuel they recommend for each map and you should be good.

Now if you go make a custom map, requesting 10psi over stock in 30C weather, then I would start reaching out to someone in the dark net ahead of time to check if they can come and steal your car and then report theft. With a blown engine though, even that won't be easy.
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Old Dec 17, 2018 | 02:23 PM
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Most of the time, no, but there are a fair number of blown motors on piggys.
What blown m177s have you ran across? Besides the hydrolocked one.
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Old Dec 17, 2018 | 02:24 PM
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What blown m177s have you ran across? Besides the hydrolocked one.
I think he is talking about Beamer buddies.
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Old Dec 17, 2018 | 02:52 PM
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I think he is talking about Beamer buddies.
Yeah and n54s don't fail due to jb4 lol.... I had a big turbo 135i before this, 30 psi on a stock block for over a year and never had any issue... But we're talking about an econoblock bmw engine vs a fully built hand built AMG block. There's plenty of m177s that have been making over 800+ whp and I'm assuming that's 25+ psi. Yalls stock turbo catted downpipes cars won't ever see over 20psi. You'll be fine
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Yeah and n54s don't fail due to jb4 lol.... I had a big turbo 135i before this, 30 psi on a stock block for over a year and never had any issue... But we're talking about an econoblock bmw engine vs a fully built hand built AMG block. There's plenty of m177s that have been making over 800+ whp and I'm assuming that's 25+ psi. Yalls stock turbo catted downpipes cars won't ever see over 20psi. You'll be fine
I do not think they blow due to seeing high PSI per say. Usually blown engines due to piggyback use 99% of the time happens from the engine running lean and hot. But the new gen engines have been really good at managing timing and AFR with a proper piggyback.
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I do not think they blow due to seeing high PSI per say. Usually blown engines due to piggyback use 99% of the time happens from the engine running lean and hot. But the new gen engines have been really good at managing timing and AFR with a proper piggyback.
Jb4 doesn't touch timing or fuel maps. I'm pretty sure the ECU figures it out based off boost requested
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Jb4 doesn't touch timing or fuel maps. I'm pretty sure the ECU figures it out based off boost requested
That is what I meant.
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Old Dec 17, 2018 | 04:07 PM
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Jb4 doesn't touch timing or fuel maps. I'm pretty sure the ECU figures it out based off boost requested
So it just fools out the map sensor to read an inaccurate number and it fuels and times according to the map input to the ecu?
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Old Dec 17, 2018 | 04:18 PM
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I was referring to the Bimmer side, as that is a very mature platform for piggies and there's lots of reference points there. There have been blown N54 motors on a JB4 (and other piggies). It is certainly open to debate the root cause, but this is not the thread or forum for that. As Munis noted, if someone who doesn't know what they are doing were to start playing with settings of this or any piggy, there is a chance for catastrophic engine failure. As for your 135, if you were running 35psi on a 135i, then you had meth injection and/or E85, plus likely an aux fuel pump and maybe even aux port injection. A proper set-up and a knowledgeable user make a big difference.

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