Toyo R888 vs Nitto N505R vs Michelin PS4S
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Toyo R888 vs Nitto N505R vs Michelin PS4S
Do any of the above mentioned tires allow your car to hook if you floor it from a dead stop? I am so sick of not being able to outperform anyone from a stop because all I do is wheelspin.
Im looking at 305 width for the tires.
Im looking at 305 width for the tires.
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Why do you want to outperform someone by flooring it from a dead stop in a RWD car, a C43 is faster than a C63S from a dead stop, you can outperform people from rolling start, or I suggest you to get a GT63S. I have eurocharged stage I and I have 295/35R19 for my rear, and my car is still struggling with traction.
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Why do you want to outperform someone by flooring it from a dead stop in a RWD car, a C43 is faster than a C63S from a dead stop, you can outperform people from rolling start, or I suggest you to get a GT63S. I have eurocharged stage I and I have 295/35R19 for my rear, and my car is still struggling with traction.
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You mean Nitto NT05R I think...I am looking at these fore my rears...stock rubber only lasted 8K miles ����
Though I probably go with the non-R version even though I don’t drive it in the rain...I still want to be able to corner!
Though I probably go with the non-R version even though I don’t drive it in the rain...I still want to be able to corner!
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Running an R compound on the street is ok but the wet traction is noticeably worse and the tread life will also suck. If you're really sick of wheel spin and want to street light race with AWD cars, get some MT slicks or go buy an AWD car lol.
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I had the toyo r888rs on my rears, dead hook street and track.
Amazing tires to beat cars off launch like you want, including some awd Audi's
Wet was pretty decent on them while they had tread & just normal driving.
Although only lasted me around 6k miles and they are noisy tires for daily use. But if your like me and prefer beating ppl over minor discomforts like noise then try them out.
Amazing tires to beat cars off launch like you want, including some awd Audi's
Wet was pretty decent on them while they had tread & just normal driving.
Although only lasted me around 6k miles and they are noisy tires for daily use. But if your like me and prefer beating ppl over minor discomforts like noise then try them out.
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They will hook without issues once you warm them up (but not before they are warmed they'll spin).
I guess you're looking for something that just up and goes, right? I've been looking for that perfect tire too. I'm happy with the Cup 2 MO1 (Mercedes OE) but wish there was something I didn't need to warm up first. Oh well 😓
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Nope. Half the year im driving on snow tires so havent had to change tires yet.
Cup 2s are def good for grip when warmed up but i would still a prefer a tire that i can rely on in wet conditions. The PS4S is what ill get in 305/275 combo because I want to get a tune too but so far havent had to swap stock tires.
Have you used Cup 2 MO1's man?
They will hook without issues once you warm them up (but not before they are warmed they'll spin).
I guess you're looking for something that just up and goes, right? I've been looking for that perfect tire too. I'm happy with the Cup 2 MO1 (Mercedes OE) but wish there was something I didn't need to warm up first. Oh well 😓
They will hook without issues once you warm them up (but not before they are warmed they'll spin).
I guess you're looking for something that just up and goes, right? I've been looking for that perfect tire too. I'm happy with the Cup 2 MO1 (Mercedes OE) but wish there was something I didn't need to warm up first. Oh well 😓
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Nope. Half the year im driving on snow tires so havent had to change tires yet.
Cup 2s are def good for grip when warmed up but i would still a prefer a tire that i can rely on in wet conditions. The PS4S is what ill get in 305/275 combo because I want to get a tune too but so far havent had to swap stock tires.
Cup 2s are def good for grip when warmed up but i would still a prefer a tire that i can rely on in wet conditions. The PS4S is what ill get in 305/275 combo because I want to get a tune too but so far havent had to swap stock tires.
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IMO the ps4s is going to be your best option for traction if you're going to need the tire to be good in the rain too. The other two options or going to hook better though. You could even do some mickey Thompson e/t streets if you're okay with throwing handling out the window, or toss a set on a spare tire set of rear wheels.
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I've had the Toyo R888R's and currently on the P4S's in 305.
Toyo Pros:
Grip is 9/10
Looks badass
Pretty sticky
Toyo Cons:
UFO Road Noise
Afraid to drive in the rain
TRAMLINE!!!
P4S Pros:
All around good tire
Can drive it in all weathers...except snow
A more "square" profile
P4S Cons:
Just a tad bit better than our stock tires
Grip is 6/10
Wheel spin to 2nd-3rd if you floor it
Toyo Pros:
Grip is 9/10
Looks badass
Pretty sticky
Toyo Cons:
UFO Road Noise
Afraid to drive in the rain
TRAMLINE!!!
P4S Pros:
All around good tire
Can drive it in all weathers...except snow
A more "square" profile
P4S Cons:
Just a tad bit better than our stock tires
Grip is 6/10
Wheel spin to 2nd-3rd if you floor it
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RE-71Rs, once warmed up, hooks from a dead stop, roll, etc. Cost effective, decent tread wear (8-10k miles depending on how you drive). Great on the canyons as well, feels planted.
Not a fan of P4S, just doesn't perform the way the RE-71r does.
Not a fan of P4S, just doesn't perform the way the RE-71r does.
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I am curious about this as well but I am "only" interested for running the 1/2 mile.
I currently run the PS4S in 295/30/20 in the rear...thought about a 305 but they tend to bulge on the 10.5in stock wheel a bit for my liking and because the 305 is made for an 11in wheel I am not sure putting that tire on my 10.5in wheel is going to help me get any more rubber on the road.
On the street (I really don't street race) the PS4S is a great tire...good handling (wet and dry), looks good and gives a good ride.
For the 1/2 mile they do "okay" but I tend to spin 1st, 2nd and 3rd and my best speeds are all about how quickly I can get the power to the ground. The shop that did my mods keeps saying I would benefit by buying a separate set of wheels and throwing some Toyo 305's on it for when I run the 1/2 mile. I would tend to agree that this would probably give me more traction (from what I understand about the Toyo tires) but for the money...how much more mph will I get from them in the 1/2 mile? Hard to really say.
I truly don't think there exist a tire that will do it all...to his point my Bro "Jimmy_c63s" swears the Cup 2 will give you more traction on the street than the PS4S and I may try those next before making the big leap to different wheels and Toyo tires???
P.S. My AMG is not a daily so I don't plan to drive it in the rain.
I currently run the PS4S in 295/30/20 in the rear...thought about a 305 but they tend to bulge on the 10.5in stock wheel a bit for my liking and because the 305 is made for an 11in wheel I am not sure putting that tire on my 10.5in wheel is going to help me get any more rubber on the road.
On the street (I really don't street race) the PS4S is a great tire...good handling (wet and dry), looks good and gives a good ride.
For the 1/2 mile they do "okay" but I tend to spin 1st, 2nd and 3rd and my best speeds are all about how quickly I can get the power to the ground. The shop that did my mods keeps saying I would benefit by buying a separate set of wheels and throwing some Toyo 305's on it for when I run the 1/2 mile. I would tend to agree that this would probably give me more traction (from what I understand about the Toyo tires) but for the money...how much more mph will I get from them in the 1/2 mile? Hard to really say.
I truly don't think there exist a tire that will do it all...to his point my Bro "Jimmy_c63s" swears the Cup 2 will give you more traction on the street than the PS4S and I may try those next before making the big leap to different wheels and Toyo tires???
P.S. My AMG is not a daily so I don't plan to drive it in the rain.
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If you don't drive in the rain, then something like the Cup 2 or Toyo are good choices if you are ok with warming them up properly first for maximum grip. The Cup 2 will have more dry grip than the PS4S once warmed up. There's no doubt about that. It all depends on what you are getting the tire for. As mentioned, the PS4S is an amazing allrounder for the street, and can be run on the track, but it's not a track tire.
As for going wider, there are at least a couple of downsides. The more obvious one is that a wider tire adds more rotational mass. The less obvious one is degraded handling. I've only fully realized this recently, but AMG goes for a slight stretched setup giving the sidewall an angle. This gives the tire a higher ability to resist roll during cornering and basically strengthens the sidewall for cornering. Putting a wider tire on the stock wheels makes the tire more square and therefore will roll more over its side when cornering. You will also end up driving on the edges of the tire unless you increase the tire pressure above what AMG recommends to push out the center of the tire for a full contact patch. The factory recommended tire pressures assume the stretched setup. If you go wider, you should put on wider wheels first to compensate for the wider tire. Now if all you are going for is straight line grip and don't care about cornering performance and don't mind the additional mass, then go for it.
As for going wider, there are at least a couple of downsides. The more obvious one is that a wider tire adds more rotational mass. The less obvious one is degraded handling. I've only fully realized this recently, but AMG goes for a slight stretched setup giving the sidewall an angle. This gives the tire a higher ability to resist roll during cornering and basically strengthens the sidewall for cornering. Putting a wider tire on the stock wheels makes the tire more square and therefore will roll more over its side when cornering. You will also end up driving on the edges of the tire unless you increase the tire pressure above what AMG recommends to push out the center of the tire for a full contact patch. The factory recommended tire pressures assume the stretched setup. If you go wider, you should put on wider wheels first to compensate for the wider tire. Now if all you are going for is straight line grip and don't care about cornering performance and don't mind the additional mass, then go for it.
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You're tuned mate aren't ya? Only thing I managed to hook 100% of the time was with R888 hot or cold but they are so darn noisy they almost drone and my ears get itchy. Goshh I hate it. They do look the biz though.............. Cup 2's are the best balance I found cos they aren't noisy, they ride fine in the wet i've even driven them in SNOW up in the blue mountains and they grip like a **** when you warm them up dude.................
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I have the PS4S tires in the 275/305 combo and they hook pretty well (although I'm still stock). I haven't stomped on it from a dead stop though, so I'm not sure that they'll dead hook. But from a low speed roll (5-10 mph) I can roll onto the throttle quickly and the car goes without any drama.
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That is one tire I know nothing about, maybe I'll try thne next time and compare. Are they in the same class as the ps4s? How are they in the rain?
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It means getting them to the temperature where they develop maximum grip. You'll have to check with the tire manufacturer to know for sure. Normal highway driving gets tires somewhere to around 110F-120F typically, but in the canyons I see temps into the 160s and my PS4S definitely perform better at those higher temperatures, although 160s starts to get a bit high and TPMS starts to show them red. 140-150 is the sweet spot based on observation, but to get them up there I have to throw the car around corners. Just driving normally doesn't get them there.
