Kleeman K-Box or RaceChip?
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Don’t even bother with RaceChip, it’s junk. Look into Dinan, that’s the most solid piggyback tune out there. JB4 is another option if you want to tweak and add more mods.
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Dinan or JB4.
Dinan: Set and forget it. No maintenance or upkeep
JB4: More customizability, but you have to upkeep with datalogs and fiddling with parameters to get it working 100% as you like it.
Dinan: Set and forget it. No maintenance or upkeep
JB4: More customizability, but you have to upkeep with datalogs and fiddling with parameters to get it working 100% as you like it.
I'm in the same boat as you. Dinan is the only route I'll consider but they have not released module for 2019 FLs yet.
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A lot of people on the Porsche forum would disagree with you that plug-and-play boxes were not used once removed.
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They may not see the physical box but they can see different values like boost pressure reaching amounts beyond what factory ecu allows. But that is IF they are looking. Most of the time if no obvious reasons the are not.
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Yeah. Maybe true on Steve's product. Maybe. But I thought this thread was discussing items like Racechip, Kleeman and similar products. I stand by my earlier statements. IF your car throws a serious fault or something breaks and it's taken into the shop, there's a good chance a savvy young tech is going to see parameters out of range. It will be pretty obvious you had a P&P box in there. This in turn MIGHT cause the dealership to deny fixing any issue under the factory warranty.
And...once it's noted in the database at Dealership #1, it will be in all other dealerships too (this is subjective) and no other dealership will touch it either.
And...once it's noted in the database at Dealership #1, it will be in all other dealerships too (this is subjective) and no other dealership will touch it either.
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You're not going to run into any major significant issues with just a stage 1 tune. So unless you throw a rod through the block, blow a turbo, or have some catastrophic failure, MB is not going to be digging through your ECU trying to find values outside their parameters. I've had literally 0 issues since installing my Dinan tune and don't feel like the engine is ever stressed.
Also, the whole point of a piggyback is that it intercepts the sensor signals to trick the stock ECU into thinking it's running normal boost. As far as the ECU knows, everything is still within stock parameters. However, once you flash the ECU then you are literally changing the ECU parameters and it will be clear as day that you had a tune.
Also, the whole point of a piggyback is that it intercepts the sensor signals to trick the stock ECU into thinking it's running normal boost. As far as the ECU knows, everything is still within stock parameters. However, once you flash the ECU then you are literally changing the ECU parameters and it will be clear as day that you had a tune.
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And because you contradict me based on what? Conjecture also? This is a new world, dude. You can't get crap past dealerships anymore. You mess with your ride, they'll know about it. And then turn you away at the door. I have seen this happen multiple times.
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Yeah. Maybe true on Steve's product. Maybe. But I thought this thread was discussing items like Racechip, Kleeman and similar products. I stand by my earlier statements. IF your car throws a serious fault or something breaks and it's taken into the shop, there's a good chance a savvy young tech is going to see parameters out of range. It will be pretty obvious you had a P&P box in there. This in turn MIGHT cause the dealership to deny fixing any issue under the factory warranty.
And...once it's noted in the database at Dealership #1, it will be in all other dealerships too (this is subjective) and no other dealership will touch it either.
And...once it's noted in the database at Dealership #1, it will be in all other dealerships too (this is subjective) and no other dealership will touch it either.
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I have to agree to some extent here. My earlier point was that if you take your car to a MB dealer for a drivetrain problem and the dealer decides that they will look at the logs and recorded data,
Exactly. Period. End it right there... If, IF...they see something there, if, IF.. the tech is sharp as well as the shop foreman, they have the option at that point to say, well, the box probably didn't have anyhting to do with it and fix the issue. Or, on the other hand, based on personalities, they can burn your butt.
Bottom line, they can tell.
Exactly. Period. End it right there... If, IF...they see something there, if, IF.. the tech is sharp as well as the shop foreman, they have the option at that point to say, well, the box probably didn't have anyhting to do with it and fix the issue. Or, on the other hand, based on personalities, they can burn your butt.
Bottom line, they can tell.
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I might be the Guinea pig but every dealer is different, mine treats me great. I had an ecu tune and shortly after blew a turbo. Reset the car back to stock on the handheld and took the car to the dealer. my car has a secondary cat delete aswell they even sent some one to investigate if I had tampered with my car. At the end of it all my car was fully covered new turbo. 2 new intercoolers, intake and spark plugs.
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Mmhmm...Bottom line OP wants more power. He wants a tune. In doing so he already made the decision like a lot of us have to risk the warranty. Is it worth it, Yup you bet it is. But please...Go With A Reputable Tuner. None of this kleeman / racechip / diablosport BS.
TUNE IT, then do a rolling burnout through 4 gears and tell me if you had fun
TUNE IT, then do a rolling burnout through 4 gears and tell me if you had fun
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Lol guys just get a real ECU tune, now that OBD2 port flashing at home is available from nearly all tuners. Flash to stock in seconds, if/when you need to go in for service. I've had no problems from my dealer and i'm catless/with awe track.
send me a PM id be glad to tell you more!
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unfortunately i had my GL350 (with RaceChip) in for a stuttering - almost like the car was in Limp mode - and once the tech saw that it had the RaceChip installed my SA called me and told me that due to visual inspection seeing the Chip they couldn't do the work under warranty. Such BS as my E63 is chipped more mods and they have never turned that car away. I spoke to my indy shop (former Master Tech) and he said that it was BS that they turned me away based on that - said some dealers are towing the line alot tighter than previously. Its always gamble, but if the chip didn't cause the problem should overlook it and move forward with repair.
I will be chipping my C63s soon and will probably going with EuroCharged and use the handheld tuner - so i can flash/reflash - but it seems to be if the dealer can't see it then its ok to work on - ha!
I will be chipping my C63s soon and will probably going with EuroCharged and use the handheld tuner - so i can flash/reflash - but it seems to be if the dealer can't see it then its ok to work on - ha!
