Whats the mileage limit anyone has obtained on their Michelin Pilot Super Sport factory tires? Michelin warrants them for 30k miles. I assume the caveat is that the tire can be rotated front to back (not applicable to our cars with the 19"/20" rims, and track use would also nulify this milege.) What's the milege you've obtained with these tires?

 

10k, barely. I dont think they actually are warranted...not the OEM.

 

it was better to stock up on Sport Cup 2 - after warming up, well glue to asphalt

 

On my 2016 Sedan (19" front and rear), i get anywhere from 10-15k per set on my PS4s. Depends on how much fun i have lol

 

damn, michelin gives us a 5-year warranty from the date of purchase in Europe, there is no mileage limit


by the way, PS4s hold on to asphalt very poorly

 

Geez Guys, anybody out there drive in a more non-track conservative manner (conservative meaning when having fun, trying not to see how fast you can turn the tires to rubber nubs?) ((( there may be no one on our blog who drives like this )))

 

Yep. About 12-15k. The camber, especially on the front hurts. I have spacers, which further reduces wear so perhaps you could get a bit more life out of them then I.

 

For staggered setups, Michelin only warranties them for 15k miles. 30k miles is for square setups with timely rotation. I changed mine to PS4S at 10k miles, because my inner front edges were chewed up due to a bad alignment. They still had about half of the tread life otherwise. Compared to my previous Audi RS5 the tires seem to last longer on this car. With the RS5, I got about 12k max out of a set. I do hit up the canyons regularly. The PS4S are supposed to last a bit longer. The last set on my RS5 were PS4S, but I sold the car before they were worn, so no idea what I will get out of them. I'll find out. It also depends on the MY of the car. The 2019 C63S 9-stage traction control is much better at controlling the slip of the rear tires, so unless you turn it completely off it's not as hard on tires. I do drive in ESP Sport a lot in the canyons including some drifting angles, but given that the PSS in the rear after 10k miles still had about half of their life left that's a pretty good sign. The 9-stage traction control is also much gentler on the rear brakes, because it primarily manages traction via engine torque control and the locking differential and not the rear brakes as in the PFL.

 

Quote by superswiss: "my inner front edges were chewed up due to a bad alignment. They still had about half of the tread life otherwise." Because of this quote I closely checked my Pilot Super Sports at 15k today. My inner front edges are just starting to show the cord and the rest of the tire looks like half life . This quote saved my ***. I had no idea they were wearing like this! Thanks superswiss! Right now all the PS4S 285/30 r20 rears are on back order until August. I guess I'll have to replace the tires with the same Pilot Super Sports.

 

If your car is a coupe, you could up the size to a 295/30/20 and, from what I have seen, it will fit with no issues.

 

Make sure you'll get your alignment fixed. This kind of wear is primarily due to incorrect toe angles. Both of my front wheels were off. This is not my first car with aggressive front camber. You will see increased wear on the inner edge of the tire vs the rest of the tire depending on how often you aggressively corner in relation to driving straight, but shouldn't be to the point where the belts are starting to show while the rest of the tire still has decent tread depth. I only ever had this issue if the toe angles were off. I actually had a feeling my alignment was off based on the steering behavior. At parking lot speeds and full lock, the steering wouldn't return to center w/o me forcing it.

Personally, I see no need to go wider than stock, at least not on the 2019+ coupes. I stayed with stock width specifically to see how much difference the tire itself makes. The PS4S is naturally slightly wider than the PSS. It doesn't stretch as much on the wheel, and it has an improved contact patch overall and noticeably better longitudinal grip. Traction is now where I like it. It hooks very well in conjunction with the new 9-stage traction control. I no longer struggle with wheel spin all the way to third gear in the dry in Sport Handling Mode. The car hooks, but it is playful enough to get some drifts in when desired. I see no need to go wider with my next set, except if there's a shortage for some reason. I'm also not confident that 295s won't rub on really hard cornering, especially with the PS4S being less stretched.

OP, you can change front and rear independently. While not a 100% perfect, you can put a set of PS4S on the front, get your alignment all set and then replace the rears when they become available. I do see they are on special order at Tirerack at the moment. Probably gonna be a bit of a supply issue for the rest of the year due to factory shutdowns.

 

superswiss: "At parking lot speeds and full lock, the steering wouldn't return to center w/o me forcing it." Yes that's what I experience. Thought of doing just the fronts with the available PS4S. Costco currently has -$150 on a set of 4 Michelins which might warrant the PSS on all four wheels. If I do replace with the PSS tires they won't be run flats. I wonder if the extra weight of the OEM PSS run flats may hurt their performance when compared to the lighter no run flat PSS.

 

The tires are not runflats on the C63! Only the C43 comes with runflats. The V8 models don't have runflats. That would be blasphemy .

 

mstraka: "Spare tire and jack doesn't come with the car?"
salesman: "No."
mstraka: "Can they be purchased?"
salesman: "No, car comes with runflat tires."

 

Fire the salesman

 

Typical salesman with no clue of what they are talking about. C63 comes with Performance Tires (R01) and the Tirefit Mobility Kit (B51) which consists of a compressor and a can of tire sealant. Should be in your trunk velcroed to the liner. Mine is on the right side. C43 comes with MOE Tires (runflats) (R66). It's all in the DOG.

 

Did you try the MB Dealerships in your area for the PS4S size you need? More money for sure.

 

No. I went to Costco and purchased a set of 4 Michelin Supersports for a very good price with a set of four $150 discount from Michelin. In my city the Costco tire store does great work. The Michelin PS4S 285/30R20 isn't available until possibly August at the earliest, otherwise I would have purchased the PS4S. I read the Tire Rack reviews comparing the PSS to the PS4S. Very close customer reviews at Tire Rack with a slight handling/ comfort/ less noise advantage to the PS4S. If you track your car I appears the PSS holds up better structuraly to extensive track use according to this feedback.

 

The PSS is a very good tire. It was the benchmark for a long time and for more normal driving you'd be hard pressed to notice much of a difference. The PS4S does have demonstrated shorter dry and wet braking distances attributed to the overall higher longitudinal grip in the wet and dry compared to the PSS. So you could argue in an emergency that could make the difference between stopping in time and ending up in a collision. Subjectively, the PS4S to me is quite a bit better than the PSS, but most of it only comes to the surface towards the limits. It is arguably the best street performance tire available currently short of the Extreme Performance Tires such as the Cup 2. But those tires are very poor in the wet. The PS4S is much more communicative and confidence inspiring when driven hard. It tells me much better what the car is doing. For daily driving, the most noticeable aspect is the more comfortable ride quality. But this is all moot if the tire is short in supply at the moment. I hope production will have caught up by the time I need a new set and I'm hoping I won't end up damaging one tire to the point that it can't be repaired. I've gone through this with the PSS. Michelin for a while wasn't making them in enough quantities when I wanted to replace the P Zero on my previous Audi RS5 with the PSS. Eventually they became available again just shortly before the PS4S was widely available. For both cars, the PS4S was an improvement and I think once you have experienced the PS4S you are unlikely to wanna go back to the PSS. At least that's where I stand now. With customer reviews you also have to make sure they are actually talking about the 4S, because there is also the PS4 w/o the S. Not the same tire.

 

superswiss: Speaking of damaging one tire and replacing it... On my Macan Turbo I had Michelin Pilot summer performance tires. I can't recall the Pilot series. I had to replace one damaged tire. It was covered by my tire store's road hazard coverage.The tire store's firm policy was not to mount a new tire that was more than 3yrs past its manufacture date. The Michelin distributor would only send them a 'new' replacement tire that was past this date if only one was ordered (I guess this was to clear out old inventory.) The store tried several times with the same result. I then called Michelin headquarters in Colorado, I think it was Denver, and after being jerked around and calling back, I luckily connected to sympathetic executive who made sure I received one 'new' new tire.

 

I had 25k when I replaced my PSS with the PS4 and had probably another 5k left in them.

 

Uhm, how do you drive...just rolling down the hill ....JK, but seriously, I never got past 20k even with much less powered cars. How do you do that with a C63? Incredible.

 

One factor is smoothness. I try to reduce the wear on all my cars components while still having maximum fun. I used to road race Suzuki GSXR motorcycles back in the late eighties in the Suzuki National Cup Series. Doug Polen was the star. He was much faster riding in what appeared to be a relaxed style. Everyone else seemed to be trying so much harder with the result they didn't go as fast. His relaxed style was the smooth manner in which he raced. What he did going into corner one seemed to anticipate coming out of corner three. A very fluid style. The wear and tear on his transmission, motor and brakes seemed minimal compared to the sounds everyone else would make. To the present where I'm now 70 ... on public roads and on track this translates to reduced wear on our cars. It's a skill that I find is always a challenge to maintain - to get in that 'groove' of perfect balance of man/machine/road with best results.

 

I get the "smooth" part when it comes to race track cornering and have seen multiple old school F1 teachers demonstrate it....but if you accelerate there is no smooth or not to get from 0 to whatever...and with 500hp under the hood that acceleration eats your tires little by little even w/o screaming, full throttle starts from every red light stop. Just physics - more torque on tires causes more friction.
Of course, you can go real "smooth" and barely touch the pedal ...but then why having a C63 and that type of driving does not sound fun anymore.