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Old Oct 20, 2020 | 09:20 PM
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Speedometer showing lower than actual speed

Has anybody else noticed their speedometer showing a lower speed than measured via GPS? Fully understand that speedometers are not a 100% accurate, but my understanding is that they are never allowed to show a lower than actual speed. They can show a higher speed, but not a lower. However, mine is showing lower. I've gotten a new radar detector recently and it shows GPS speed, which is quite a bit higher. At 70, I'm going more like 73, and at 85, I'm almost doing 90 in actuality which kinda worried me. That's 5% tolerance (acceptable), but in the wrong direction. I double-checked with my phone and it agrees with my radar detector. I do have PS4S instead of the stock PSS but same sizes, and I just checked the specs. The PS4S has the same diameter as the PSS for each of the sizes. The rears are actually slightly taller in both cases.
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Old Oct 20, 2020 | 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by superswiss
Has anybody else noticed their speedometer showing a lower speed than measured via GPS? Fully understand that speedometers are not a 100% accurate, but my understanding is that they are never allowed to show a lower than actual speed. They can show a higher speed, but not a lower. However, mine is showing lower. I've gotten a new radar detector recently and it shows GPS speed, which is quite a bit higher. At 70, I'm going more like 73, and at 85, I'm almost doing 90 in actuality which kinda worried me. That's 5% tolerance (acceptable), but in the wrong direction. I double-checked with my phone and it agrees with my radar detector. I do have PS4S instead of the stock PSS but same sizes, and I just checked the specs. The PS4S has the same diameter as the PSS for each of the sizes. The rears are actually slightly taller in both cases.
Have not noticed this in my car, I’m running 295 in the rear and 255 front. Have you tried the same radar detector in a different car to see if it matches the car? That’s unlikely of course but just in case...
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Old Oct 20, 2020 | 10:30 PM
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Have not noticed this in my car, I’m running 295 in the rear and 255 front. Have you tried the same radar detector in a different car to see if it matches the car? That’s unlikely of course but just in case...
No, I haven't, but as said my phone showed the same GPS speed as the radar detector. It's a good idea, though. Might just check it with my wife's car to get another data point. Just trying to decide if I should bring this up during my next service visit and have them recalibrate it. Just not sure if that's gonna make it better or worse...haha. Has anybody ever recalibrated their speedometer?
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Old Oct 21, 2020 | 08:04 PM
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Yep, same here. I had to be really careful driving through Virginia when I bought the car in Maryland. My wife kept telling me to slow down then I realized what was happening. My car is reading 2-3 mph lower and hers is 3-4 higher.

I've always seen cars reading higher than actual speed but never lower.
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Old Oct 21, 2020 | 08:20 PM
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Thanks guys. After doing some research it turns out the USA is quite lax on regulating this. There appears to only be a federal standard for commercial vehicles and it allows for +-5mph accuracy at 50mph, so I guess technically reading a lower than actual speed is acceptable. It's mainly regulations in Europe that specifically state it can't read lower than actual, only higher than actual is allowed. Would have expected that they calibrated the speedometer to meet all these standards with one setup, but I guess not. Oh well, I'll probably won't bother and just keep it in mind moving forward.
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Old Oct 21, 2020 | 08:27 PM
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What's interesting is that I bought this new radar detector after discovering last October that my old one wasn't working properly anymore and I got a ticket for doing 85 in a 65. I was in fact doing 85. Had DISTRONIC set to 85. Perhaps the officer deducted a tolerance, but it was in line with the speed I was going. The good news is the officer never properly filed the ticket with the court and the statute of limitation expired on Monday. They have 1 year here to file charges. Problem solved itself .
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Originally Posted by superswiss
Has anybody else noticed their speedometer showing a lower speed than measured via GPS? <snip>
Just stumbled upon this thread, and wanted to report that my speedometer also shows me going 1-2 mph slower than what GPS (Escort Max 360c) tells me. That surprised me, and is rather disappointing. Regardless of legality, a speedo should never under-report your speed, particularly on a car like this.
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Old Jan 11, 2021 | 08:54 AM
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Just stumbled upon this thread, and wanted to report that my speedometer also shows me going 1-2 mph slower than what GPS (Escort Max 360c) tells me. That surprised me, and is rather disappointing. Regardless of legality, a speedo should never under-report your speed, particularly on a car like this.
Well the good thing is that your mileage on the car is less then what it actually is... lol... ( I know , I know )... monday humor
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My speedometer reads 3km/h off at all speeds. Which is very weird. If there is an error, it should be a certain percentage and should read more and more as the car goes faster.
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Old Jan 11, 2021 | 07:16 PM
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Given your evidence, is it an assumption that the radar / gps are more accurate than the car?

For another data point, drive by a roadside cop radar sign if you can find one, and see how close to your vehicle display it is - those are calibrated at least annually and are usually pretty accurate.
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Old Jan 11, 2021 | 07:41 PM
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Given your evidence, is it an assumption that the radar / gps are more accurate than the car?

For another data point, drive by a roadside cop radar sign if you can find one, and see how close to your vehicle display it is - those are calibrated at least annually and are usually pretty accurate.
That is definitely a good point and is where I've kinda landed in the meantime. After doing some more research it appears GPS speedometers also deliberately show a higher than actual speed. Can be as high as 10% above actual speed from what I've found. It's not that GPS is this inaccurate, but the vendors wanna make sure they never show a speed lower than actual, especially since a lot of modern radar detectors use the GPS speed to decide when to start warning in order to reduce false positives if you are driving below the speed limit.

So if the GPS shows 10% higher than actual, but the car's speedometer only shows 5% higher, then the GPS would inevitably show a higher speed than the car's speedometer. GPS accuracy increases at higher speeds, and in my case the difference is definitely a percentage and not an absolute amount. It gets higher as I drive faster.

Your suggestion is a good one and based on empirical data it seems my car's speedometer is in line with the roadside radar signs, so I no longer consider this to be an actual issue. I think not considering initially that the GPS speed of my radar detector could simply deliberately show a higher speed than the speedometer in the car led to an incorrect conclusion.
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