Big engine and high horsepower are over rated. The M3/M4 with small engine and less horsepower on previous model and the new model with the same horsepower seem to performance as fast or better then the C63s. Here’s the quote from one of the drivers “I didn’t know there was a C63 in this race” 😢 As for Audi, their Quattro system drive is one of the best !!!



https://m.youtube.com/watch?fbclid=I...ature=youtu.be

 

The previous M3/4 had a hard time getting out of the hole against the C63. From a driving dynamics standpoint, the M3/4 looks impressive. However, as for this video I have a few thoughts. First off it was -2.5C if you caught it on the brief clip of the C63's dash. The M4 is on PS4S which it comes with from the factory. They do quite well in the dry cold. The C63 from the looks of it is on the PSS since there is only like one rather not very good winter tire available for the coupe. The PSS does not do well in these temps. I managed to spin mine in the winter months in 3rd gear and we have mild winters here. I'm talking mid 40s the lowest. I put on PS4S half way through last winter and it was a noticeable difference. What counts most, though, is the torque delivery. The C63 deploys all the torque it has down low, whereas with the new M3/4, they tuned the engine to reduce torque down low and deliver peaky power up high. That helps getting off the line. The C63 is just too easy to spin tires off the line, because of all that torque and the PSS doesn't help. They might have been able to do better by using the adjustable TC and find the sweat spot for the conditions. Same for the pull, I suspect the C63 was struggling for traction so the 9-stage TC reduced the engine torque. He didn't even put it in Sport Handling mode. ESP was fully on.

 

I just saw this today and left a comment down below.
We all know how bad C63's launch control is, I'm fine with how C63 performs in a drag race, and honestly I'm amazed by the new M4's launch control.
But I just don't think C63S is going to be worse than RS5 in a rolling race, number wise and from other drag videos I've seen. Tires aside, there's gotta be something wrong with the C63S's setup.

 

There are many things wrong in this video. Technically speaking neither the RS5 nor the M4 have actual launch control. They both use the ZF8, so they do brake boosting. The C63S is the only one in this race that has an actual launch control dropping the clutch. Also, in the C63S you can adjust the launch rpm using the shift paddles, which these guys clearly didn't know. The instructors at the AMG Driving Academy told us to drop it down to 3200 from the default 3500, otherwise you are just spinning the tires.

I actually learned in the meantime that all three cars in this video apparently are on winter tires, which makes it even more questionable, because last time I checked there is only like one Pirelli winter tire that's made in the correct sizes for the C63S coupe.

 

There’s a saying ... a picture worth a thousand words. In this case, a video worth a thousand EXCUSES!!! 😁 A lost is a lost. What’s your excuse on the rolling race? Let me guess ... the C63s driver is too FAT?

 

Spinning ain't winning. And it's hard to beat similarly powered cars when you're in a car that weighs a good bit more than the competition.

 

I’d take their reviews and drag racing with a grain of salt. It’s more entertainment than anything. I mean they don’t even tell you which gear they’re lock in, mph of rolling...

Check this carwow drag race of c63 coupe vs m4 vs rs5

 

Traction, wrong gear who knows. I'm pretty sure the new M4 is faster than the current C63, but my issue with this video is how the C63 did in relation to the RS5. Specifically, that it lost to the RS5 in the pull, when in other pulls like the one above from carwow the RS5 is left in the dust. The new M4 is most likely underrated by BMW as far as power goes. Pretty much all reviews have commented that it is faster than the rated horsepower would suggest.

 

I figured the M4 would be faster but was surprised as the RS5 result

Also surprised at how large the margin was. Would be interesting to see a race with more optimal conditions and proper tires on the C63

 

Saw this last night, something will always be faster. That being said that M$ is ugly as sin!!

 

Speaking for myself, I don't care who won or lost a contrived race. All the cars are quick, but not drop dead fast. I bought the C63S for the sound, big turbo V8, interior, and did I say sound.

I've owned a number of Audi's and they are great cars, but I found them to be numb in terms of driving experience. I never had any issues with them, but they didn't get me excited when I drove them. I also had an e46 M3 and it was great. I felt the then current M3/M4 were boring on the interior and I wanted a change. I'm happy with my decision. The C63S has been a blast to drive and I've had zero issues with it.

All these cars improve over time, so when the new C63S coupe, or what it might be called lands, it will no doubt perform as well, or nearly as well as the Bimmer. If it spanks the M3, what are you going to say?

Top end EV's will beat all of these cars in a rolling start, but who cares. I'm fine with battery assist to an ICE engine to get instant power, but still prefer that over full EV's. Long live ICE powered cars.

 

I hear you. My time with Audi was a 2007 S4 6MT and a 2013 RS5 and the only other Audi I've driven that excited me was the R8. Everything else leaves me cold, especially the current RS models, but the high-revving naturally aspirated V8 and V10 engines are hard to beat when it comes to excitement and they were also mated to a proper dual clutch transmission. The more reviews I watch about the new M3/4, the more I end up being disappointed by the transmission choice again. Great for commuting, but it just lacks live in the drivetrain. It shifts on point it seems as opposed to Audi's implementation, but it just is dull with a torque converter and judging from the comments its no different here. If I wanted a smooth commuter car, I'd get one. Other than the V8 it's really the transmission in the C63 that completes the package for me. I was initially hesitant because it isn't a dual clutch, but I now feel it's superior because it can also make fast non-sequential shifts, which is where the dual clutch transmissions always end up stumbling over their own feet. I'm guessing the USA is gonna get the manual M3/4, so that might be the one to get, but that means no Competition and no AWD if you want that.

 

No excuse. I think the new M4 is genuinely quicker. However, this is the first video Ive seen where the C63s has lost against a RS5 in a roll. Even in a drag, the C63s typically is able to beat the RS5 to to 1/4mile (most of the time). I suspect, this race being in canada, the cars are wearing different types of tires (Summer vs Winter). That would be my guess.

some races between the RS5 vs C63s:



(in this one, Merc loses drag ut destroys the Rs5 in a roll).

 

No surprise there that new M4 is faster than current generation C63s.

I didn't buy C63s to street/drag race. It is simply my daily car that let me hear the beautiful V8 roar every time I drive.
I actually also have F82 M4 Competition in the garage which I drive about once a week.
While I like M4 more handling-wise (C63s steering feel is too light for my liking), it is simply no match when it comes to engine sound between S55 and AMG V8.
From couple of videos I watched, S58 engine does not sound much different than S55 engine.
I will keep enjoying last V8 until I eventually move on to electric cars.

 

+1

Also, at those temperatures, both the M3 and C63S will struggle for traction, even more than usual.

 

Does it even matter if the bmw or audi were faster in a drag?

Bmw and audi will never provide that excitement that an AMG does.

 

That’s very true!

 

Second that.

How often will I use race start?

In fact I’ve never tried it.

On the other hand, the V8 rumble will live on forever. Happy days.

 

 

What exactly is the excitement? We all have different reason to why we bought the car. Your statement is not true to me. I first fall in love with the M4 and told my self that it would be my next car. Then the C63s came out. I love the look and the V8 sound. So I bought the C63s. After about 6 month, I missed the performance handling of an M4. So I bought an M4. On the weekend when me and my friends take a spin up in the mountain, the M4 would be my choice. It also seem it a choice for the younger people. You see lot of M3/M4 at the car show or car meet. So my points is, our reason is just an opinions to other.

 

The new M4 lays down some impressive dyno figures .... it makes more than the c63s stock

 

Known to spin tires, but also known to crush RS5s for breakfast

 

Before I bought my C63S, I test drove an RS4 and it was an anticlimax. Compared to the AMG and M3, there was no drama and the 450hp was well hidden as well as the handling feeling soft. Although no doubt very competent, it just didn’t feel special in any way and that matters a lot.

 

This is only my opinion. Both cars where convertible

I had both cars. From 01/2015 until 10/2018 the M4 with original 431hp. From 03/2019 until 10/2020 the C63S with original 510hp.
In my opinion the M4 is clear the better car. The M4 is a real race car. Its very fast on a track and not so heavy like the C63.
The C63 lives only from the V8 Motor with this increadable sound. That was also the reason for me why i bought it. I want drive a V8 before they are gone.
I never loved the C63. I dont like the design as much as from the M4 but the interior from the 2019 C63 was more modern that the M4.
I put on both cars the JB4. In the M4 with Downpipes and in the C63 without downpipes because to complicated with removing gearbox etc.
With this tune the M4 was the faster car. I drove 100-200kmh in 7.5s with the M4 and 7.9s with the C63. The C63 has a slight better traction. Maybe because of more weight on the rear.
But both cars have problems to get the power on the road. For that the new M4 with all wheel drive and possibility to switch on rear drive for drifting will be great.
The consumption was a big big difference. I would say the C63 need 3-4L more at 100km.
After 3 Month owning the C63 i tougth damn why i didn't take a M4 competition after my M4 (it was an option to the C63) because when i bought 2015 my M4 there was no comp available.
If someone asks me i say if you like the sound of the M4 take the M4. If you wannt drive a V8 with an amazing V8 sound take the C63.

I thought the C63 will die when the Motor will switch to 4 or 6 cylinders because of everyone will take the M4. (In my opinion the F8X M4 is one of the beautifull car ever)
But now I dont think so because BMW make the new M4 not so beutifull design.

Both cars are great and its like a question about the taste.

 

One thing i fogort was. The Brake.... The Brake of the M4 is not really for a fast car. If you drive fast and use it sometimes in a short time it starts to virbrate. My dealer change the hole brake 3 times but the same.
The Brake if the C63S is the best brake i ever drove. Maybee because its a little bit bigger than the one of the M4. Both brakes where no ceramic brakes.