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I really do hope your order goes through and they can start building it. But if it doesn't, is there a reason you'd have to get an FE over a heavily optioned non-FE? There's still several nice non-FE's up for grabs, some with ADM's as low as $5-10k which would put you way ahead of the FE's $36.4k surcharge.
Depends on the spec and yes you are right about the extra 36K. I've learned over the years not to compromise and buy a car with options I want and it didn't have. My 2022 GLE 63 I ordered with every option except running boards which I don't like the look of and ceramic brakes. I would have ordered ceramics if they would have been on all fours. There's something that really bugs me about only having them on the front therefore I passed.
2010 BMW E63 M6 Coupe 2023 AMG C63s Coupe 2005 YZF-R1
Originally Posted by japamg
Just recieved mine, carbon and night package. Only not sure about the side stickers, what you think?!
Yes! Sound is same as prefacelift! 😍
Congrats, she's a beauty! I'm confused though, this is an FE? If it's an FE, how did you get ceramics, carbon and black rims on an FE? The US FE models are all spec'd with silver rims, black painted calipers and no carbon packages from what I've seen.
I'm not feeling the yellow stickers either, if it were mine I'd remove them.
Congrats, she's a beauty! I'm confused though, this is an FE? If it's an FE, how did you get ceramics, carbon and black rims on an FE? The US FE models are all spec'd with silver rims, black painted calipers and no carbon packages from what I've seen.
I'm not feeling the yellow stickers either, if it were mine I'd remove them.
Poster appears to be located in Spain according to their profile, so this is a EU spec FE.
2010 BMW E63 M6 Coupe 2023 AMG C63s Coupe 2005 YZF-R1
Originally Posted by benzbell
Depends on the spec and yes you are right about the extra 36K. I've learned over the years not to compromise and buy a car with options I want and it didn't have. My 2022 GLE 63 I ordered with every option except running boards which I don't like the look of and ceramic brakes. I would have ordered ceramics if they would have been on all fours. There's something that really bugs me about only having them on the front therefore I passed.
From what I saw on your build sheet that you posted, you had both carbon packages, night package, black rims, and ceramics. The FE comes with none of those options. So if you go with an FE, wouldn't you be making a huge compromise on the options you really wanted, and paying $36k to boot?
Congrats, she's a beauty! I'm confused though, this is an FE? If it's an FE, how did you get ceramics, carbon and black rims on an FE? The US FE models are all spec'd with silver rims, black painted calipers and no carbon packages from what I've seen.
I'm not feeling the yellow stickers either, if it were mine I'd remove them.
From what I saw on your build sheet that you posted, you had both carbon packages, night package, black rims, and ceramics. The FE comes with none of those options. So if you go with an FE, wouldn't you be making a huge compromise on the options you really wanted, and paying $36k to boot?
I'd be compromising on the carbon packages which isn't horrible. I can deal with the gloss black look for those. I'm not thrilled with silver wheels and black calipers but it could be a nice change. I would definitely order the factory black strips for the window surrounds but other then that it's pretty much equipped with what I want. Only other option the FE doesn't have is ventilated seats. Not that I use them often but I hate blank switches. Who knows I might be able to find a close enough spec if I can't get my order. An available properly optioned spec would be my first choice and the FE would be last resort. I did not opt for ceramics because I don't like the fact they're fronts only.
2010 BMW E63 M6 Coupe 2023 AMG C63s Coupe 2005 YZF-R1
Originally Posted by japamg
Correct
It came all from factory, I just changed the wheels when arrived to dealer
Ok that explains it then. I don't know why the US FE couldn't be spec'd like this. They're certainly charging a small fortune which is more than enough enough to cover all those upgrades!
That's really cool you have the PFL sound. Does anyone know if it's been confirmed that only the FE's get the PFL sound, and the non-FE's retain the muted FL sound?
I don't know what a PFL C63 sounded like, but it is pretty loud stock lol. I do not believe any C63s in the US have an OPF. I can hear the car idling from inside the house just as my AMG GTR does.
I was gonna ask - did C63s from 2019+ get the partial-open valve "upgrade (downgrade)"? The facelift 2020 AMG GTRs did which muted the sound at idle/low RPMs (<4.5k). I got a valve modulator on the GTR which fixed that. The valve modulator (EVM) uses the stock button and forces the valve fully open or closed rather than "partially open." I am going to do more research to see if the same is with the C63. If I was to guess - these cars do have that since the initial cold start is loud for several minutes followed by a more mellow sound. Subsequent "warm" starts sound muted despite the exhaust valve button "on." As long as that's the only downside, Im happy cause a modulator will fix. This is what I used in the GTR https://www.active-sound.eu/en/merce...-valve-control. Interestingly, they do have a product for the C63S facelift https://www.active-sound.eu/en/merce...l#product_info
During actual driving, I can't say much b/c of the break-in period. I did get the car up to 5.5k for a brief period and it is loud
Also...this paint is insane. It's the complete opposite of my GTR in solarbeam yellow, yet I still love it haha.
Originally Posted by RavenM6
Awesome pics! I have a good idea now of how mine will look with the graphite and red pepper. I had no idea MB dealers trade or buy cars from each other. Mine will be coming from a dealer 1500 miles away so I'm pretty sure if my local dealer were to even agree to bring it in, I'd have to pay the shipping. Are you planning on getting wrapped with PPF?
Yep, already got a quote from a guy who has wrapped my other cars. Going to get a full car matte ppf
Last edited by ChargedMB; Mar 31, 2023 at 07:11 PM.
I believe the valves are partially closed on the FL. The FE may simply be programmed from the factory to keep the valves fully open. So as you say, if you want that the EVM modules will give you that. Also the FL has Emotion Start to make those warm starts more exciting. Only actually works if the car is warm and hasn't sat for too long. You get nice pops and crackles during the startup. The cold start is naturally louder.
Well you were correct about the V8 living on, actually getting to order one is a totally different ballgame. In most cases, it hasn’t been a straightforward process of walking into a dealership and ordering a new 2023 C63S just because MB supposedly opened up the order banks.
After months of searching for a new 2023 build allocation, I can tell you there were a very limited amount of allocations handed out. Many dealers didn’t even get one despite being promised one. My dealer is one of the biggest in Texas. They were very confident they’d be able to get me my own build, but after half a year wait, all they could offer me was their single FE allocation. It also seems that most dealers who did actually get an allocation or two for non-FE’s , used them as dealer builds rather than customer builds.
As recently as a couple of weeks ago someone here posted that they were able to place an order for a new C63s coupe. However, it remains to be seen if that build will actually get accepted and be assigned a PO# this late in the game. There are still several 2023’s up for grabs, albeit mostly with ADM’s. So if someone is still wanting to buy one, the best bet would be to grab one of these final remaining dealer builds before new C63S V8’s are gone forever.
I get that, but my point was the car was still alive. I think they thought I said a C206 Coupe was being sold.
2010 BMW E63 M6 Coupe 2023 AMG C63s Coupe 2005 YZF-R1
Originally Posted by ChargedMB
I don't know what a PFL C63 sounded like, but it is pretty loud stock lol. I do not believe any C63s in the US have an OPF. I can hear the car idling from inside the house just as my AMG GTR does.
I was gonna ask - did C63s from 2019+ get the partial-open valve "upgrade (downgrade)"? The facelift 2020 AMG GTRs did which muted the sound at idle/low RPMs (<4.5k). I got a valve modulator on the GTR which fixed that. The valve modulator (EVM) uses the stock button and forces the valve fully open or closed rather than "partially open." I am going to do more research to see if the same is with the C63. If I was to guess - these cars do have that since the initial cold start is loud for several minutes followed by a more mellow sound. Subsequent "warm" starts sound muted despite the exhaust valve button "on." As long as that's the only downside, Im happy cause a modulator will fix. This is what I used in the GTR https://www.active-sound.eu/en/merce...-valve-control. Interestingly, they do have a product for the C63S facelift https://www.active-sound.eu/en/merce...l#product_info
During actual driving, I can't say much b/c of the break-in period. I did get the car up to 5.5k for a brief period and it is loud
Also...this paint is insane. It's the complete opposite of my GTR in solarbeam yellow, yet I still love it haha.
Yep, already got a quote from a guy who has wrapped my other cars. Going to get a full car matte ppf
The FL C63’s were muted and if I’m not mistaken, all FL V8 models were muted. If you’re saying it’s really loud, that’s normal for a cold start. From what I’ve been reading, only the FE’s have the unmuted PFL sound back, the non FE’s retain the FL sound. The C63s also has an EVM available, I had an ASR module on my 2021 which is the basically the same module that Renntech offers. As you know from your GT R, it helps with keeping the flaps open at all times but you won’t get the (excessive to some) PFL pops and bangs.
Have you gotten your car wrapped in PPF yet? I’m really curious to see what the matte wrap looks like as I’m getting the same color. I haven’t decided yet if I’ll go with a clear or stealth PPF.
I just took delivery of my 2023 C63S, was able to secure one of those build slots in October of 2022. I had a contact at MB of Gilbert in AZ and I was very grateful to get one spec'd exactly as I'd like.
2010 BMW E63 M6 Coupe 2023 AMG C63s Coupe 2005 YZF-R1
Originally Posted by AddMoreGas
I just took delivery of my 2023 C63S, was able to secure one of those build slots in October of 2022. I had a contact at MB of Gilbert in AZ and I was very grateful to get one spec'd exactly as I'd like.
Comgrats! You were one of the few lucky ones who actually managed to secure an allocation and spec your build exactly how you wanted. From what I was told by more than one MB sales rep, most of the non-FE C63S allocations were handed out to dealers in Q4 2022 around the time you grabbed yours. From what I’ve seen, most dealers chose to use them as dealer builds rather than customer builds.
Do mind sharing pics and what options you spec’d your build with? I read your only other post, I too was curious to know how many non-FE’s the US dealers were allocated besides the 100 FE’s that’ve been made public, but I can’t find any info at all other than it’s a pretty limited run. I would assume it has to be well over 100 otherwise they’d be even more limited than FE’s.
The FL C63’s were muted and if I’m not mistaken, all FL V8 models were muted. If you’re saying it’s really loud, that’s normal for a cold start. From what I’ve been reading, only the FE’s have the unmuted PFL sound back, the non FE’s retain the FL sound. The C63s also has an EVM available, I had an ASR module on my 2021 which is the basically the same module that Renntech offers. As you know from your GT R, it helps with keeping the flaps open at all times but you won’t get the (excessive to some) PFL pops and bangs.
Have you gotten your car wrapped in PPF yet? I’m really curious to see what the matte wrap looks like as I’m getting the same color. I haven’t decided yet if I’ll go with a clear or stealth PPF.
How did the FE get unmuted PFL?? just with the tune? or does it have different DP?
How did the FE get unmuted PFL?? just with the tune? or does it have different DP?
I'd imagine just a bit of tweaking on the ECU. They had to do something to sell this overpriced hunk. Stickers and a car cover isn't going to be enough. It still remains to be seen if the non FE has the same sound. I'll have to hear it for myself as I had two (2015, 2018) PFL C63s.
How did the FE get unmuted PFL?? just with the tune? or does it have different DP?
It is rather curious how they able to do it while passing regulations in EU, and if they could achieve that why did they mute the sound of the facelift in the first place? Unless they had this Final Edition planned so many years ahead already?
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but I am not doubting what you said.
