Hey! Another question…..what are the “best” performance street (summer) tires for this car to lessen rear wheel spin? Cup 2’s?

 

The Cup 2 is a streetable track tire. It's mostly for dry tarmac. Not good in wet conditions and it starts with less tread depth than a street tire. Also, to make it stick you have to get them hot. I love the PS4S. Take a look at the BMW spec PS4S. It's closer to the Cup 2 with a similar compound make up. Excellent street performance tire. It's available in the sizes and load ratings needed for the 19/20 wheels. I have this tire on mine now and it transformed the car. I ended up increasing the tire pressure by 1 psi above the recommended pressure for the OE tires, and now it's pretty much perfect. Has more grip than the standard PS4S in the dry, but gives up a little bit in the wet. That's no issue for me here in NorCal with only about 60 wet days per year and I don't take the car out on those days unless I really have to. Handling is better, steering response is much sharper with better feedback. Everything is dialed up and sharper. Here's a video explaining the differences. I can pretty much echo everything he says.

 

So you’re suggesting BMW OE spec PS4S in our 19/20 setup. Does tire rack have these?

 

Yes, and yes. They come up on Tire Rack for our cars.

 

I’m great it’s under “orginal equipment” category. They offer the two Michelin’s in that category.

Also, I’m I’m guessing a lot of the tire chatter and wheel spinning I have experienced these days has to do with summer tires in cold temperatures.

 

Yes, even the PS4S needs to be properly warmed up before they develop full grip. You will not get the full grip just driving around, and especially not in the winter. But once you've got them nicely warmed up on a summer day, they'll stick. I can only experience their full potential if I take the car out in the canyons during the summer and then the front end and everything gets better and better the hotter the tires get.

 

How many miles do you have on your 2019 C63s now?

 

After today just shy of 38k

 

Hey there! Me again! Alright one thing I’ve been wondering…..is there an exhaust mod that will bring out even more the rich deep bass-ey tones and rumbles of this beast engine? Resonator delete? Down pipes? I wouldn’t necessarily want to change the exhaust sound more like I want to accentuate it

 

Welcome back, the EVM wasn't enough? If so if you want, downpipes are the way to go.

 

Hey guys! The blue C 63S is coming together! Now I have my eyes on a four-door AMGGT 63S. You guys know anything about this car? I would be looking at a 21 or 22 or 23 with the V8 and I’m wondering if folks consider the ride to be smoother I know it’s a fast car but I’m wondering if anyone has any insight on how it drives how it sounds, etc..

 

I'm a bit confused. You may have left out a word. Are you saying the blue car is NOT coming together, and now you are looking at a GT 63S instead? I have driven the GT a number of times. It'd be a strong contender if I regularly had rear passengers and needed a four door. Same fundamental powertrain and sound plus AWD, but it's a much larger and heavier car otherwise. The rear wheel steering helps with making it drive smaller than it is and the extra chassis bracing it has over the E63 makes it more capable, but at the end of the day you are hauling around another 700 lbs which it tries to hide, but is always present. I still remember when I got back into my C63S after driving the GT 63 S for a day how it felt like my car underwent a diet. It suddenly felt like a lightweight sports car compared to the GT. 700 lbs is like driving around with three overweight adults the entire time. You need the extra power just to move all that weight around. Since I'm mostly driving by myself, the size and additional weight of the GT has only downsides for me. The extra power is irrelevant on public roads and as said, it's mostly there to compensate for the weight. So is the rear wheel steering which attempts to disguise the size and weight, but is just another thing that can fail. Case in point, I recently drove the new GT 63 S 2-door at an AMG Experience event and during the drifting exercise the rear wheel steering lost its marbles and the car threw an error and refused to engage drift mode after that. Just goes to show how all this complicated tech AMG packs into the latest cars to deal with the weight gains ultimately is just stuff that eventually fails on you.

 

Great feedback! The blue car had some issues in delivery but it IS coming together. I have my eye on the GT as a complement (or maybe a replacement) to the C63S. The numbers suggest it’s consider alt “faster (2.6-2.8 0-60, compared to 3.5-3.8) but it sounds like you’re saying that it’s relative to the extra weight. I DO understand that the 0-60 numbers are subjective

 

…..Another “option” for a bigger car to complement the 2 door C63S is the Panamera Turbo S. But perhaps that car has the same “liabilities” as the GT 4 door

 

The GT is mainly faster off the line due to having AWD vs RWD. It's essentially a no-brainer to launch it off the line. Question is how often do you do that? AWD is mostly a benefit up to about 30 mph. After that it's dead weight and increases drivetrain losses. An RWD car has about a 10% drivetrain loss, whereas an AWD car due to the additional moving parts has a drivetrain loss as high as 20%. So once you are moving, a good chunk of that extra power goes towards overcoming the additional weight and drivetrain losses.

 

Maybe the question to ask you, would be: if you were to buy a 4 door sedan that you wanted to be quick and fast and handle fwell, what would you buy?
I do have the need for four doors occasionally, so it is very intriguing to consider a “super sedan”

 

That's an interesting question and I have played with this idea in my head occasionally. I always struggle with the compromises when considering this idea. How often do you have a need for four doors and is it worth maintaining a whole second car or compromise on a single car for it? If I had a need for something like a family car to haul around people I would likely buy a normal 4-door, because I wouldn't really use the performance of an AMG super sedan when hauling people around and when I do use the performance I'll be in the car by myself, so I'd rather be it a smaller and nimbler car. Obviously even the C63 is still on the heavy side for a performance car, but it is a classic 2+2 grand tourer which fits my lifestyle. Enough space for a road trip or weekend out of town with my wife and gear while being a fun and nimble canyon carver when I'm hitting up the roads by myself, and I've had adults in the back for short trips w/o issues.

In the past, I simply ended up renting a larger vehicle when doing road trips with friends. Just not worth it to me to compromise the rest of the year or having the expense and headache of a whole other car that I'd only be driving a few times a year. I already mostly only drive on weekends as I work from home and live in a highly walkable neighborhood, so I do most of my daily errands on foot and I have access to my wife's hatchback which while not a performance car is actually more fun for a quick errand around town than even my C63. It only weighs a tad over 3000 lbs and combined with the short wheelbase you don't need 600 hp to have fun. It's a good reminder that power to weight ratio is ultimately what counts and as I've said in the past, it's more fun to drive a slow car fast than it is driving a fast car slow. The 63 models are great at higher speed on the open road, but ultimately they are not great just slugging around town or be stuck in traffic.

 

Fair enough, that’s a well-constructed thought process-response. I think you’re speaking to “one in the best of both worlds“ which I think is why they developed the M5 and to be honest you probably the M3…to allow weekend warrior types who want to be able to carve it up when they want and then take it to work the next day. Truthfully, I’m not a two guard car type, but I also want the best of both worlds ha ha ha. Lots of acceleration off the line, lots of pull on the highway, and four doors! I suppose the M5 competition is a compromise because it’s less heavy than the Panamera or the GT four-door. But who wants BMW?!

 

Sorry, I am not the person you were replying to but yes although I am an MB fan but I actually don't mind certain bmw, for example the M8 competition, our forum members and I think a moderator here too has one, they are great vehicles.

 

I have to say that the 53 models are somewhat intriguing to me as a middle ground between a daily practical car and an occasional fun performance car w/o overkill. They are specifically tuned for lower speed driving and instant throttle response around town thanks to the electric supercharger they have and the mild hybrid setup. The 63 models as said are optimized for faster speeds. You need to wind them out more and the MCT transmission while I love it, is not the smoothest driving experience at slow speeds. The combination of mild hybrid, electric supercharger and torque converter automatic makes the 53 models more livable while still providing a performance car feel. In this regard the new E53 is quite appealing and I drove the all-new CLE 53 which impressed me more than I expected. The latter also looks the part with widebody as a first in a 53. Looks fantastic actually. I just came back from Tokyo yesterday. While the main reason for the trip was my father-in-laws recent passing, I managed to stop by AMG TOKYO Setagaya. They feature the first ever Mercedes-AMG dedicated showroom. They had a CLE 53 and E53 on display, both in a great spec, although they were lacking the performance seats.

 

i struggled with this decision for the past 6 months. I have 3 kids, 5 and under, and a wife that doesnt compromise her comfort and space. We've had an Escalade ESV for the past 3 years to deal with needing to carry all the baggage (car seats, strollers, kid stuff, etc). Despite my wife wanting a minivan, since it was our only car, i was not going to entertain that idea. The Escalade was massive, and served its purpose, but i hated that thing. too big, too cumbersome, I constantly felt like an elephant in a china shop. We stuck with 1 car because I was either working from home or traveling for work, so i didnt travel as much and the opportunities where we needed to. be out of the house in separate locations was few and far in between to justify getting an expensive second car (which would have been a toy for me)

We got to the point where i was getting sick of the Escalade, wanted to change it, but also kind of needed a second car....now start shopping for toys. I knew i wanted to get rid of the Escalade....and knowing this was going to be the family car that i would be driving often, i wanted it to be something fun (in case i didnt get a toy for myself) and tried to convince my wife to accept an X5M or a Jaguar F-Pace...but she wasnt having it (the Jag would be too small to carry 3 kids across the row, car seats and boosters). I got an Infiniti QX60. she lies it, serves its purpose, has all the bells and whistles, and is a reasonably sized car where i dont feel like im driving a school bus

for myself what i absolutely wanted as a Jaguar F-Type R...but being a 2 seater, i couldnt justify having it as a second "backup" car. So I needed a car that could be best of all worlds, something i could carry all 3 kids in for short periods of time (quick errands around town, 20-30 min drive max), but struggled for find anything luxurious that was fun, fast, and sounded good. I was shopping for AMG GTs and M5's, but they out of my budget for what id like to pay for a second car that gets used maybe once a week. M3's were in my budget. Didnt like the E63's. Jaguar stopped making sports sedans and i've already owned an XFR and XJR....i love them, but i didnt want to repeat. I absolutely love the previous gen S63's and decided that was going to be my target, but my wife reminded me that everytime i get a large performance sedan, i complain that i wish i had gotten a coupe (or something smaller) instead. An opportunity came up for a low mileage manual M4. I decided this was it, but the car had been sold within 24 hours of getting listed. But at this point i convinced myself that i could live with a coupe and still at least tote 2 out of 3 kids (in an emergency my oldest can sit in the front in a booster, its legal in my state)

and thats my story on how I ended up with a C63 convertible. Im not generally a convertible fan, but this car came up spec'ed the way i would have, reasonably priced, and with the top down gives me the best audible experience. its been 3 weeks, im not regretting it. its small and nimble, i can squeeze 2 forward facing car seats in the back. My kids love the way it sounds. im building memories with them, and enjoying the hell out of the car myself.

 

I hear you man. I live the rumble of AMG nothing is like it, not even close.
I am looking at a M5CS as well. In theory I keep the AMGC63S and get a 4 door super sedan. The M5 actually makes sense bc it looks kinda like a normal car but really scoots.

 

I mean you are comparing different tier vehicles, I guess you didn't like the E 63 S? which competes with the M5, maybe not the CS I guess.

 

nice you got to visit Japan, Japan was always on my bucket list as they have a very unique culture, I respect their culture and I want to learn about them. I guess I am getting old and traveling isn't my thing anymore, maybe one day I get to visit Japan. I hope you enjoyed your time in Japan, the food, the culture and the people, they are very nice to foreigners I heard.

 

Well, you might have missed it. My wife is Japanese, so I've been there many times. Yes, it's a great country to visit, unfortunately, this trip wasn't for fun. It was to attend my father-in-law's funeral, but I tried to make the best of it. We were just there over Christmas and New Year, but unfortunately her dad's cancer finally took him away.