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I also have a 2019 C63s coupe. This past April had the required 6 year Service performed. See photo.
The oil used at MB Dealership was. MB AMG OW-40 229.5
If you haven't already, the required MB 6 year/60,000 miles is due. That is the B Service with full Transmission Service. See photo below what other services were performed.
Are we really able to use these in our engines though? This m177 came with a paper filter from factory. When I go to the parts dpt they tell me the paper filter is the proper one. Same thing with the Hengst site. I wonder if the fleece ones have different flow properties and if that even matters? Maybe I'm overthinking it.
@W140King Yes, you can use this filter.
I'm guessing the Mercedes paper-filter from the factory was a cost savings thing.... not to mention the stealer-ship is more than happy to price-gouge you for those paper filters. The Hengst synthetic filter from FCP Euro is only about $20
If you use the Hengst website: https://showmetheparts.com/hengst/ the "1761800800" part number will not come up, and you have to search by year, make, and model, which then brings you back to the same filter Part Number: E155HO1 D122 (which has a fully synthetic filter medium). The list of compatible vehicles shows it is for numerous Mercedes AMG vehicles. including the C63 and C63S.
... if you really dig into the specs on the Hengst website this filter fits vehicles with Body Codes of either 205.087, 205.387, or 205.487
I've used various oils over the years on my different AMG models (LM, Mobil 1, Amsoil, Motul) but for my c I've just been using Mobil 1 0w-40 Euro formula. I'm at 104k miles now and she is running strong still.
I've used various oils over the years on my different AMG models (LM, Mobil 1, Amsoil, Motul) but for my c I've just been using Mobil 1 0w-40 Euro formula. I'm at 104k miles now and she is running strong still.
In April, my yearly MB Service they used MB AMG 0W- 40. 229.5. I been getting my oil change every 6 months. So 6 months prior to the April MB Service I checked my invoice and realized the Indy used Mobil 1 5W-40.
Tens of millions of dollars were spent in the R&D of M1 0w40 and 5w40. Perhaps no better scienced oil there is in the market and maybe ever will be.
So you are aware that when these studies were done for gdi engines prior to sp oil, that those millions of dollars spent was done so while creating the improper chemistry for the use application, destroying engines, clogging rings, dirtying valves. So they were either super brilliant with their tests and created these substandard oils on purpose to fleece the public or they just were incorrect and needed to hire some better oil chemists. There’s plenty of better oils out there as determined by the chemistry listed on their safety data sheets, and this is fact, not opinion or brand specific. Mobil and Amg is a brand deal, nothing more.
So you are aware that when these studies were done for gdi engines prior to sp oil, that those millions of dollars spent was done so while creating the improper chemistry for the use application, destroying engines, clogging rings, dirtying valves. So they were either super brilliant with their tests and created these substandard oils on purpose to fleece the public or they just were incorrect and needed to hire some better oil chemists. There’s plenty of better oils out there as determined by the chemistry listed on their safety data sheets, and this is fact, not opinion or brand specific. Mobil and Amg is a brand deal, nothing more.
Good god, just fake news all around here. If you're talking about turbo engines and LSPI, that's an entirely different story and due to improper specifications by the engine manufacturers. Dirtying valves is due to substandard quality of gasoline and engine design, not much with oil.
2020 C63S Sedan owner here. I strictly use 0W-40 Motul X-max. This engine deserves no less than the very best. I purchase it as part of a oil change kit from FCP and do it myself.
Good god, just fake news all around here. If you're talking about turbo engines and LSPI, that's an entirely different story and due to improper specifications by the engine manufacturers. Dirtying valves is due to substandard quality of gasoline and engine design, not much with oil.
“Fake news”… Don’t go there with me. You really need to learn when to keep your politicalization to yourself. This is an oil conversation, not a place for you to have diarrhea on the forum. You have filled that toilet past the brim elsewhere.. your assumptions are beyond reproach.
How about your address the words I wrote? Is mobile one and Mercedes more than a brand deal? Is the SP chemistry not created as an improved oiling chemistry (for cleaning as well) now that engineers have learned the reality of bad chemistry with GDI engines? It’s not just lspi. Are all GDI engines turbo? Do you realize that the bad engine design is the gdi engine and that has to do with where the fuel injectors are located not whether or not there is a turbo. I’m sure you understand that one of the worst carboned up engines was the first RS4, which was naturally aspirated. Do you know that I’ve never used anything other than top quality gasoline and my valves were dirty as can be and some rings dirty as well even with extremely short oci.
Have any intelligent answers or will your Tourette’s get the better of you? And I’ll edit this part in to my conversation….. see how idiotic it is when people make ASSumptions
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Mercedes -AMG "recommends" Mobil 1 because M1 is the factory fill suppler for AMG engines, and both have has a long standing technical partnership. I suspect Mobil 1 gives MB/AMG a nice discount on those factory fills in order to push their oil once the car is in the wild.
Same with say, Land Rover. Castrol has global agreements to supply oil and lubricants to JLR products.
While the oil spec is important (to some), It's not so much about the oils "spec", it's all about strategic partnerships. Hell, there are oils out there that meet several manufacturer's specs, in one jug. I think even Mobil 1 makes some of those multi spec oils.
If the oil is listed on MB's 229.5 sheet as approved, it's good enough for me. I don't buy Mobil1 at Autozone for $10 more per jug than Walmart's price thinking I'm getting a better product by spending more for it.
All the oil manufacturers analyze their competitors' products, and all strive to be equally good by being equally formulated for equal use/application. Use whatever your religion dictates, pay as much as you wish and change it as often as you please.
If the oil is listed on MB's 229.5 sheet as approved, it's good enough for me. I don't buy Mobil1 at Autozone for $10 more per jug than Walmart's price thinking I'm getting a better product by spending more for it.
All the oil manufacturers analyze their competitors' products, and all strive to be equally good by being equally formulated for equal use/application. Use whatever your religion dictates, pay as much as you wish and change it as often as you please.
The scientific community has found that the spec created and existing in the manual is subpar in today’s world and the engines for it was specified. I would hope that some people can get past what was written in a book some years ago If we had faith in an engineer that created an oil in 2010, why would we not have that same faith in that same engineer that upgraded that oil in 2020 when they saw the long term deficiencies of their previous formulations? Apply this to any other evolving tech and the argument to stay as is doesn’t really make sense. We use cell phones and not rotary phones, we use specific medicines not general penicillin, we use fiber optics not wire cables, and we wear clothes and live in houses not fig leaves and caves.
The scientific community has found that the spec created and existing in the manual is subpar in today’s world and the engines for it was specified. I would hope that some people can get past what was written in a book some years ago If we had faith in an engineer that created an oil in 2010, why would we not have that same faith in that same engineer that upgraded that oil in 2020 when they saw the long term deficiencies of their previous formulations? Apply this to any other evolving tech and the argument to stay as is doesn’t really make sense. We use cell phones and not rotary phones, we use specific medicines not general penicillin, we use fiber optics not wire cables, and we wear clothes and live in houses not fig leaves and caves.
I would say that now that the new oils perform better for the application that the old oil standards are obsolete. This is my opinion of course but it is dictated by logic and a ton of research about oils and their chemistry and evolution. Because more and more vehicles have become GDI over the past 15 years, and they have a major issue with sludge and deposits when using long oil changes, fortunately oil companies worked to create chemistry that would not create these issues as much. If you are unaware, the oil vapor scavenging in the exhaust systems is another contributor to the dirtiness of the valve train of the engine since at the same time the manufacturers were sending oil vapor back through combustion, they removed the port injection that could clean that oil from the valve train. Oil separator failures happen because oil vapor can be sticky and clog these delicate recirculating systems which do not get any form of cleaning or flushing from the duty of the engine. As Dave from Daves Auto Center would say, they have designed these system so the car is breathing dirty air similar to if you ran a marathon breathing through a tube connected to your butt. One feature they claim with these new oils is "low ash" which is effectively saying that these new oils do not break down and burn or vaporize as easily as the previous generation of oils did. SN oils (229.5) would be fine to use in an engine that is not gdi. Lots of different oils can lubricate, but which oil is the best for the job at hand. If we bring up the idea of LSPI, the engineers discovered that the wrong spec of oil is causing combustion issues under certain circumstances as well, and that the new oil chemistry better handles that issue.
Unfortunately many people get caught up in branding and ultimately should be most concerned with chemistry, and they can choose their brand once that brand also joins with new offerings. To clarify, SP oil was created in about 2020 but most manufactures have finally made the SP standard available for most weights in the last two years. Mobil claims they have met the standard since 2010, but for those of us that have seen the charts of the specific properties of mobil oil prior to them actually labeling the jugs as SP know that Mobil had some of the worst test performance...and now that the bottle says SP, the performance is much better, so regardless of their past claims, their chemistry has changed with the label and the performance is better than it was, which also has to do with the GF6 standards which are even "cleaner".
Hope that helps a bit. Im never trying to be a dick in some of these conversations but I think its important that people really understand why some of us are more than willing to brush aside what WAS the standard for what IS the new better option. If you had the oil changed at the dealer, you would be getting SP oil, which I have specifically asked my local dealer.
If youve never watched The Motor Oil Geek, he does a really good job at explaining the chemistry and doing compare and contrast testing of various oil formulations and brands. This newest video breaks apart the components with explanations of what each component does for the formulation as a whole.
My expertise pretty much ends with the owners manual and MB's fluids sheets. I'm doing my next oil change in 2 weeks with Castrol Eurocar 5W-40 A3/B4, MB229.5 and API SP. There could be better oils and maybe a few worse, but I'm OK with being somewhere in the middle.
. Whatever oil you decide to use in your MB... It must have that SP rating. Our cars also have air to oil separators which prevents a great deal of oil vapor from entering the intake system. You don't want oil vapor going through the tract that is ONLY supposed to handle air. If your turbo impeller blades are oily you have a problem.
Interestingly in the video on LSPI, he also recommends letting your engine warm up before driving (another controversial topic). Some feel that idling is the worst thing you can do for your engine, and others swear by getting everything up to temperature before pulling out of the driveway (personally, I let my vehicles warm up). Everything in our MB engines works on oil flow and oil pressure (variable cam timing, piston oil squirters, timing chain tensioner, etc...) I want warm oil flowing smoothly through all passages, not flowing like syrup fresh from the fridge.
The 229.5 spec isn't just some outdated arbitrary spec number. Manufacturers specify formulations based on the materials in their engines. Not all crank and rod bearings are made of the same materials (some cranks are iron, some are forged steel, billet steel, etc). Also the "overhead" Camshafts in our cars (and most others) simply ride on a film of oil, there is NO bearing there, just the aluminum head material and the camshaft. Then there is also the ring material and the cylinder bore material. Some rings and cylinder bores have different metals across manufacturers not everything is as simple as iron sleeves and iron rings, or steel rings and nikasil bores, etc. Therefore, manufacturers specify formulations of oil for the materials that are inside their engines, they might fortify their oil with zinc or molybdenum or titanium, etc... And also include different detergent packages that they feel will allow their engine to at least last as long as their warranty period.
In the end of every single oil discussion the best protection is to change your oil and filter early and often using the manufacturer recommended viscosity and spec. Brand of oil is mostly personal choice. (I like Amsoil products especially if you read about the history of the company and the reasons why the oil was created).
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If we had faith in an engineer that created an oil in 2010, why would we not have that same faith in that same engineer that upgraded that oil in 2020 when they saw the long term deficiencies of their previous formulations? Apply this to any other evolving tech and the argument to stay as is doesn’t really make sense. We use cell phones and not rotary phones, we use specific medicines not general penicillin, we use fiber optics not wire cables, and we wear clothes and live in houses not fig leaves and caves.
