Deciding on a CL 600 from 2003 with Renn-Tech
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Deciding on a CL 600 from 2003 with Renn-Tech
hey Guys,
Okay, I have it narrowed down to a 2003 cl600 with full Renn-Tech conversion. The wheels alone are to die for. It has 20K miles! Clean, clean, clean! But I know NOTHING about these cacs or Renn-tech, except that the car looks beyond beautiful and is ungodly fast.
Help!
Is the 2003 cl600 known to be dependable? Or is it known to be a troublesome car, always in the shop? I really know nothing at all about them and I do not work on cars.
I will use this car as my daily driver. I do not mind taking special care of such an amazing car, but I do not want it in the shop all the time, either.
What is the 03 600s reputation for solid dependability? And finally, what is a fair market price for a spotless 03 with Renn-tech and 20K miles?
Thanks very much. I have a lot to learn.
Okay, I have it narrowed down to a 2003 cl600 with full Renn-Tech conversion. The wheels alone are to die for. It has 20K miles! Clean, clean, clean! But I know NOTHING about these cacs or Renn-tech, except that the car looks beyond beautiful and is ungodly fast.
Help!
Is the 2003 cl600 known to be dependable? Or is it known to be a troublesome car, always in the shop? I really know nothing at all about them and I do not work on cars.
I will use this car as my daily driver. I do not mind taking special care of such an amazing car, but I do not want it in the shop all the time, either.
What is the 03 600s reputation for solid dependability? And finally, what is a fair market price for a spotless 03 with Renn-tech and 20K miles?
Thanks very much. I have a lot to learn.
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I will post pics if I buy it!
So I just did some bare bones research and.... I see the ABC is a serious issue?
Is this a repair-hell car?
Out of warranty, BTW--and would be my first Benz, but man..... strictly the most gorgeous cl I have ever seen.
help!
Is this a repair-hell car?
Out of warranty, BTW--and would be my first Benz, but man..... strictly the most gorgeous cl I have ever seen.
help!
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I would stay away from the V12, they have a lot of engine problems. Get the CL55 its as fast. There are problems with the ABC but its worth the car, and not all the cars have ABC problems, but that will be the only problem that you will have on that car.
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Think of it as a high maintenance girlfriend. If treated right, then it'll draw all the attention you'll ever need no matter where you take her.
Whether how problematic the car really depends on what experiences you have with other makes/models. Simply put, I have two Lexus cars, one with 260k miles and another one with 85k miles on the clock. In the past three years, these two Lexus cars have made fewer trips to the service shop combined than my Mercedes has in 3 months.
Granted, my CL had Starmark warranty so I might have been taking advantage of the coverage while it was still in effect. However, had my CL been a Lexus, I would simply have slept through the warranty without thinking twice.
I wouldn't recommend using a CL as a sole daily driver, not because it doesn't deserve to be driven but rather, just in case if something goes wrong and it has to be serviced, you don't ever want to be stranded without a backup car at all.
Jon
Whether how problematic the car really depends on what experiences you have with other makes/models. Simply put, I have two Lexus cars, one with 260k miles and another one with 85k miles on the clock. In the past three years, these two Lexus cars have made fewer trips to the service shop combined than my Mercedes has in 3 months.
Granted, my CL had Starmark warranty so I might have been taking advantage of the coverage while it was still in effect. However, had my CL been a Lexus, I would simply have slept through the warranty without thinking twice.
I wouldn't recommend using a CL as a sole daily driver, not because it doesn't deserve to be driven but rather, just in case if something goes wrong and it has to be serviced, you don't ever want to be stranded without a backup car at all.
Jon
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My seller tells me that the car has had zero ABC issues in the year he's had it. He says it has been flawless--I get the impression he's a straight shooter.
Well... so--can anyone tell me what fair value is in today's market, for this car? Again renntech, 20K miles, spotless o3 cl600.
Thanks
Well... so--can anyone tell me what fair value is in today's market, for this car? Again renntech, 20K miles, spotless o3 cl600.
Thanks
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Given the market condition, I'd say I wouldn't be surprised if the car sells way below what KBB or Edmunds suggests.
You should be on the winning side if you're able to buy this car in the low $30k range.
Jon
You should be on the winning side if you're able to buy this car in the low $30k range.
Jon
My seller tells me that the car has had zero ABC issues in the year he's had it. He says it has been flawless--I get the impression he's a straight shooter.
Well... so--can anyone tell me what fair value is in today's market, for this car? Again renntech, 20K miles, spotless o3 cl600.
Thanks
Well... so--can anyone tell me what fair value is in today's market, for this car? Again renntech, 20K miles, spotless o3 cl600.
Thanks
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CL600, E30 325i Previous ride CL55 2004
My seller tells me that the car has had zero ABC issues in the year he's had it. He says it has been flawless--I get the impression he's a straight shooter.
Well... so--can anyone tell me what fair value is in today's market, for this car? Again renntech, 20K miles, spotless o3 cl600.
Thanks
Well... so--can anyone tell me what fair value is in today's market, for this car? Again renntech, 20K miles, spotless o3 cl600.
Thanks
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For the 215 CL in general, there are a handful of known issues. ABC pump, ABC hoses, ABC valve blocks, MAF, SAMs, O2 sensors and other electronic issues that may affect you. Proper maintenance is key in these vehicles. Make sure you have a good service history and continue the good service during your ownership. If you're the DIY type, even better.
The 03+ V12s are pretty solid compared to the 00-02 V12s.
Regarding price, FWIW another forum member just sold an 04 CL600 Renntech for $32K fairly recently.
https://mbworld.org/forums/mercedes-...-renntech.html
The 03+ V12s are pretty solid compared to the 00-02 V12s.
Regarding price, FWIW another forum member just sold an 04 CL600 Renntech for $32K fairly recently.
https://mbworld.org/forums/mercedes-...-renntech.html
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For the 215 CL in general, there are a handful of known issues. ABC pump, ABC hoses, ABC valve blocks, MAF, SAMs, O2 sensors and other electronic issues that may affect you. Proper maintenance is key in these vehicles. Make sure you have a good service history and continue the good service during your ownership. If you're the DIY type, even better.
The 03+ V12s are pretty solid compared to the 00-02 V12s.
Regarding price, FWIW another forum member just sold an 04 CL600 Renntech for $32K fairly recently.
https://mbworld.org/forums/mercedes-...-renntech.html
The 03+ V12s are pretty solid compared to the 00-02 V12s.
Regarding price, FWIW another forum member just sold an 04 CL600 Renntech for $32K fairly recently.
https://mbworld.org/forums/mercedes-...-renntech.html
The 2003 CL600 should have one less potential issue that you listed...no MAF on the V12TT's..
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[QUOTE=mostel;3364178] He says it has been flawless--I get the impression he's a straight shooter.
Careful, this is what they used to say about Bernie Madoff. Buyer beware...good luck.
Careful, this is what they used to say about Bernie Madoff. Buyer beware...good luck.
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the car is fitted with
I am told the car was refitted with RENNtech ECU upgrade, RENNtech TCU upgrade, RENNtech 20 Staggered Forged Aluminum Monolite Wheels, Rear RENNtech Spoiler and Rear and Side RENNtech badges. \ Full RENNtech package.
Does this change what the asking should be?
Thanks for all input. The car, I'm told, has been meticulously maintained and has had ZERO ABC issues...
I would drive it at least a few days a week--it would only sit unused when I went on vacation.
More input please!
Does this change what the asking should be?
Thanks for all input. The car, I'm told, has been meticulously maintained and has had ZERO ABC issues...
I would drive it at least a few days a week--it would only sit unused when I went on vacation.
More input please!
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My seller tells me that the car has had zero ABC issues in the year he's had it. He says it has been flawless--I get the impression he's a straight shooter.
Well... so--can anyone tell me what fair value is in today's market, for this car? Again renntech, 20K miles, spotless o3 cl600.
Thanks
Well... so--can anyone tell me what fair value is in today's market, for this car? Again renntech, 20K miles, spotless o3 cl600.
Thanks
The engine itself is pretty solid, never had any problems...but the ABC, that piece is prone to problems. It will eventually break, so when he tells you he had no problems with it, it has probably never been replaced before and you would want that item to be replaced before you step in the car. Its like a wear and tear item IMO.
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Thanks very much
Seems to be the prevailing opinion that this is not a good primary car choice, but a thrilling 2nd or 3rd car...
I'll probably not get it, since I need an 'everyday' car,
Thanks to all for opinions and help!
I'll probably not get it, since I need an 'everyday' car,
Thanks to all for opinions and help!
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yeah that thing is nice.......actually seen it on autotrader before. Very low miles, but even with the Renntech mods, there is no way they are going to get that price for an '03.
As far as my experience with used vehicles, absolutely no credit is ever given for mods. Especially in this economy. Sucks if you are trying to sell a car. It would be better just to hold on to it and enjoy the beast.
What I want to know is why this one has been for sale for so long? Anyone have any additional info on this beast? Its been on autotrader forever. Very nice Brabus edition. Best aftermarket front bumper in my opinion.
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.js...standard=false
As far as my experience with used vehicles, absolutely no credit is ever given for mods. Especially in this economy. Sucks if you are trying to sell a car. It would be better just to hold on to it and enjoy the beast.
What I want to know is why this one has been for sale for so long? Anyone have any additional info on this beast? Its been on autotrader forever. Very nice Brabus edition. Best aftermarket front bumper in my opinion.
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.js...standard=false
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If they're asking that much for it, then you might as well look at this car...http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.js...e&rdpage=thumb
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If they're asking that much for it, then you might as well look at this car...http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.js...e&rdpage=thumb
we may see high 30Ks by the end of the year.........any thoughts?
