apdesign

Does anyone know if it is possible to swab out a CL500 engine with CL55 engine. If so, where can one purchase a used CL55 or even CL600 engine. I think it should be a straight swab since the body between a CL55, CL600,CL500 are all the same.

Thanks,

AP

CynCarvin32

I think you should use some engine cleaner instead of swabbing out the motor. Using swabs will just take to long.

Oh and as for swapping out the motor you will need all new ecu's and you will also need to swap out the transmission as well since they are different between the 500's and the 55's and 600's.

It just not a good plan and selling the old car and buying a newer 55k or 600 will be far cheaper and more reliable.

apdesign

Smart ***=). Thanks for the miss spelled word. Well, it seem more costly than I thought. Not like a rice rocket straight swab I mean swap. I guest Powerchip upgrade is best.

Thanks,

AP

ProjectC55

If you want to put in the N/A 5.5L motor ,yes it's a simple swap and it will bolt up right to the tranny that's in your 500. The 600 motor is another story as it will bolt up to the tranny but I'm sure the ECU and perhaps the wiring harness will be different. This is assuming you are talking about the N/A V12.

The forced induction 5.5L and V12 will require alot more work. Remember with the F/I V12 you'll need to do the intercooler piping,intercoolers,the oil coolers,etc.

With the F/I 5.5L motor you'll need the pump water line ECU and heat exchanger to make that work.

Your best bet for your CL is to do what I did and drop a N/A 5.5L motor in there and enjoy the hell out of it. It's a big difference compared to the 5.0L motor.

ProjectC55

WRONG!

SUNILP

I'm not sure on the transmission but swapping engines on a w215 CL will require a new BLANK ME control unit. If you are interested in the challenge, go for it, if not, it will be cheaper to trade your cl for a 55k.

ProjectC55

100% he does not have to switch out the tranny! If he's going to install the N/A 5.5L the E500 ECU will just need a SW upgrade as did my Stck ECU in my C43 I'm betting unless you have personally done this b4 yourself. The 55k motor will require a different ecu and many other parts. These 5.5L N/A motors can now be found and installed into the W215 CL500 for much cheaper than trading it in for a W215 CL55k I'm sure!

SUNILP

the w215 is not the same as your w202. THe w215 has a different ME module and you can't just flash it for a newer engine. YOu will have to replace it with a blank ME module, enter VIN info, and SCN code it.

ProjectC55

First b4 I explain have you done this personnally?

A 2k W202 uses the same ME module(ME2.8) as a 2k to 2k2 W210 E55 but the ABS module will be different. 1998 to 99 (ME 2.0) W202 C43 uses the same
as a 98 to 99 E55 but the ABS modules are different. 98 to 99 C43 modules are the same while different than the 2k C43 ME module.

What makes you think the ME module in the Cl500 W215 is different than the CL55 w215? They both use ME 2.8 Mine (Stck C43 ME module) was flashed with the 5.5L motor .

SUNILP

I have not done a CL engine swap but I have coded many ME modules with my DAS system. Again, I have not tried this on the CL but from what expeirence tells me, a new module would be required. The control unit on your car is a 026-545-3132. The CL uses a 113-153-1091 which is a more advanced module capable of coding additional features such as Distronic, ABC, etc..

ProjectC55

Just got off the phne with my tuner who can explain this to you much clearer than my self. He used a vin # from a modded E55 and upgraded the files in my ECU to work in my C43. He also socketed my ECU. Another swap that was done,he plugged his device under the dash of another 5.5L swap we did and was able to upgrade the files without pulling out the ECU. If you want I can give you any contact info you want and he will explain it too you. He said that the CL500 ECU does not have to be swapped out if the 5.5L motor is placed in it. He would just upgrade the SW which I have seen him do. He is a tuner for Ferrari and Mercedes Benz. He has equipment costing 1000's of dollars that allow him to do these SW mods.

PS, He used to work for Superchips and he knows his stuff. He gets alot of his files from the same place Renntech,Kleeman,MKB and others get there's from over in Europe. You want his info to back up what I'm saying,I'll give it to you!

SUNILP

that makes a little more sense now. I did not realize

1. he was using some other method of flashing the ME modules
2. he copied the e55 data over to your module.

ProjectC55

took me a lil time but I tried to explain! Sorry!

ProjectC55

On an interesting note I had purchased a blank ECU after the swap was done to eliminate down time while he socketed my ECU. We pulled up the files for a stck E55 with the Star Diagnostic computer. The Funny thing was the the C43 ABS module would not work when the ECU was setup with the E55 files. So I purchased a E55 ABS module and installed it and the ABS lights went back off. The stupid ABS lights came back on!

When Tonino(tuner) finished downloading the Modded E55 files into the chip he programmed and placed the socket into my C43 Ecu,we then installed the modded C43 ECu back in the car. The stupid ABS lights came back on! Then we decided to put back in the C43 ABS module in to replace the E55 abs module.

Waa Laaa! The ABS lights went back off ,took the new ECU back to MB but not b4 clear it back out with the Star Diag computer. Got refunded as well! Buddy is the parts manager.
Everything was alot of trial and error but a very interesting learning process.

Bottom line was that between my MB mechanic (head mechanic at my local dealer who installed my motor) and the tuner(Tonino) which my mechanic recommended to me,they proved to me that anything can be done if you know what you are doing and you have the right equipment.

Right now my mech has an E55k motor sitiing in his gargage that he plans on dropping in a W208 CLK V8(430 or 55)
Right now they have two turbocharged C36's on the road already with Standalone Motronic ECU's. One Twin Turbo AMG C36 at 6psi boost putting out 363whp because the motor has new rods and pistons,can't turn up the boost yet till more mileage is put on, and the other one a single turbo AMG C36 ,18 psi 467whp!

Stay tuned because these guys are good..

Other projects are on the way. E55k motor going in a CLK55 W208 . T

SUNILP

that e55k motor in a clk55 is not going to be easy. It will bolt up but programming will be a different issue but I am sure your guys can figure it out.

ProjectC55

jeff (my mech) offered to sell me just the compressor and pullies but I feel it will be a hassle like your saying. it would cost me $$$$ for them to do it and do it properly. I dfiniely don't feel like spending it.

SUNILP

You would definitely need a new ECU for the supercharger to activate the clutch. The problem you may run into is the new ECU may not work properly with the older EIS and other electronics in your car. Once again, it's a trial and error thing.

apdesign

ProjectC55,

Where can I go in California to do what you did, drop a straight N/A 5.5L engine. What is the cost for the whole upgrade?

Thanks,
AP

Ted Baldwin

..............I am currently working on a W210 E55 turbo project. Let me just say that the C36 is a different story. There is no CANBUS communication in the C36. It uses real wires. The problem in a post MY2000 mercedes is CANBUS. You cannot use a stand alone control unit. You have to use a piggy back system. Even then, you cannot really use a piggy back system because the system requires speed and tachometer wires which do not exist in a post MY2000 mercedes. Everything is carried via CANBUS. Biggest pain in the neck.

Ted

ehaser

I'd also like to know how much this would cost as I would do it as well if worth it. A dealer just offered me 25k on my 03 cl500 with amg package and 38k miles. Then I'd have to "pay up" from another "stealer" to get a cl55..probably 40k minumum...that's almost 20k....

apdesign

ehaser...I was thinking about the same thing trading in my CL500 for the 03+ CL55. It might be worth it because not only you get the CL55 Engine but also the rest of the sport package like the AMG Brakes etc.. I'm guessing just to get the CL55 engine alone and installation will probably run us close to 10K.

HLG600

I would avoid the entire engine swap process. Too much hassle for anything other than a naturally aspirated 5.4 M113 and will not exactly be cost effective. If you want more power, then direct those funds over to Kleemann for a supercharger setup on your existing powerplant.

Patentmat

Don't I wish . . . This is one of my fears having an out of warranty CL55, and it is not 10k. I started a thread on this the other day and one poster was quoted by a MB dealer 38k for the engine + install. Def. cheaper to buy the whole car used.

Here is the thread:
https://mbworld.org/forums/cl55-amg-cl65-amg-cl63-amg-c215-c216/233313-cl55-cl-65-engine-cost.html