Carl Lassiter

Hmmm, the Audi RS4 produces 420ps from its NA 4.2liter V8. Won't bring the F430 into this...

As regards other NA engines, there's the old enemies NA 5liter V10 giving 507ps.

I think the 63s are fine, and the fanfare surrounding their performance is echos the C55s replacement of the C32. However, 500bhp from a NA 6.2liter motor is not a level of specific output a tuning arm should be proud of.

JAYCL600

i have no clue what u said, but whatever makes you feel better. I dont talk, I race....what do you do besides run your mouth on the internet youre hurt about something, cant figure out what it is yet

SAMSSONZ

I admit if he has the proof (video) then im definetly wrong, time slip? hold on Ill post my c230k rental car doing 10.3s at lacr if u like

JAYCL600

you tourqueless wonder, there were over 3 mbworld member that have witnessed all of my record runs, are we running a conspiracy, again i have zero to prove to you, something hurts

SAMSSONZ

ok speedracer, wheres the vids of u beating 65s, I know if my car was that fast Id have videos everytime I ran it...

Thericker

Is this big enough for you to read

JAYCL600

you will have to live vicariously thru my time slips, i must say im so sorry to dissapoint I actually have an 11.30 at 125 around in my buddies camera, but nah i dont need to dig it up, why? because i dont really care...the strip is for me to test my various mods, anyone who knows me knows how serious i am about my drag racing, most of those people have also witnessed my runs. Did you procure a 65 to race me yet? Im ready

SAMSSONZ

Actually I hav more than a few at my disposal, What color would u like?
Wheres the vid????

JAYCL600

take your pick, the vid will come from your camera when we race.

BlownV8

Yeah, you are right. I should have left the per liter comment out. However, the 63 does have the highest specific output for a production V8 engine and, as I've already said, it is not the largest displacement production V8.

Germancar1

Yep it will get another facelift for 2009. The SL isn't a normal 7-year model like other Benzes, try 9-10 years.

M

Germancar1

This is one of the more ridiculous conversations I've yet read here. Its like reading about Ford vs. Chevy, all this simple stuff about drag racing and we're talking about Mercedes-Benzes? The 6.2L V8 is a big let down? What bs. Of course it will be turbo'd in the future just like the 5.5L V8 was supercharged in 2003. Look for 6.2L V8 to be turbo'd in the next SL somewhere around 2010 to be timed perfectly with the S/CL facelift.

Still thoough no one is even talking about all the other improvements that came along with the cars that carry the new V8. Doesn't handling, steering and braking matter to any of you people? There are cars for far less money that will smash up a 55K or a 63 car without hesitation. Where is the sophistication here?

All this about the current SL not getting the 6.2L V8 is going be obliterated when the SL gets its facelift late this year. The 5.5L SC V8 is on the way out of all MB passenger cars, not trucks like the G-Class. This arguement makes no sense because the S and CL are just as heavy and they got the new V8. There is no difference between the SL getting the V8 than there is the S or CL, they're all big heavy cars. If the 5.5L V8 was still the engine of choice for AMG the updated version in the SL would have been in the new S and CL also, but it isn't.

M

juicee63

I absolutely DESTROYED the RS6 even modded ones at the track! The 55k in stock form is not faster than the 63. Where are you guys getting this? The T 1/4 mile times will improve , how can you guys hate this super sounding , very smooth and powerful N/A engine is beyond reason. **** I get more respect from the M5 board. I am dam proud of my 111.8 trap speed. I am also very proud of a 60ft time near equal to your best mr CL twin turbotuned. I am heavier than you and put out a mere 10 less hp per litre and your car is a tuned ******* CL600 twin turbo. Im sick of this thread. I will be in Sacramento, stock 55's in any form will be raced and videotaped. The races will be close nothing like what this group here has imagined, an mbworld of 63 haters. , where am I ? You guys diss AMG openly hate on the 63 and keep making false claims of the 55 being faster. . Sad that in the MBWORLD forum I argue about the 55 with guys that do not even DRIVE ONE!! I will even race a stock 600, to show you guys it can be bested on the track. Make fun of my times all you want, hate on my ride,no worries. I know from racing 55's the cars are close. Whomever gets the light wins the race. And mr. ricker you sure know alot about the 55 and 63 for never driving or owning either.

The 55's I raced were the same 55's you guys say, "blow the doors off the 63". The E55 should beat a cls 63 but it lost . The thread is on the M5 board where it seems they have a healthy respect for the 63. I actually believed the Bull SH** posted in this forum on the 63. I fell for the 55 is faster crap and accepted it. Guys get over it they are close and any race is determined not by the 55k or the 63 but how the car is driven. I owned and Loved my 55 , I have respect for the car and anyone driving one. I also have a high respect for what the 55 accomplished and accomplishes on the track, they set HIGH standards. Is my CLS 63 slower than a CLS 55? the answer is **** NO. I learned this not from membership here but on the race track! My car should lose to the E63 and the E55 by the exact same margin .2.Anybody know why? I will be in Palmdale tomorrow for my last warm up(tune) I will be using a new tire. NITTO, we will see if it helps. Everyone who actually drives it , including guys who get paid to drive , LOVED THE WAY THE 63 feels, sounds and performs. To discount my experience with both cars is truly disrespectful. Funny I bet the bull shi* CL 63 vs 600 race never even happened. Plus you guys in all your wisdom forget the 63 needs several thousand hard driven miles to train the ECU . I am certain the car likely was in 7th gear by 50. How do I know? Because I actually drive one.

juicee63

You are the only one making sense, I am too pissed to even type! Exactly the guys toss aside every improvement as it has no value? AMG sucks?

Thericker

Ahh boo hoo

And for your info cry baby I've driven (4) E55k's helping a friend buy one, also (1) CL55 (1) S55K etc...

When I'm ready to buy another car it'll easily be an E55k or SL600 CL600 w/AMG pack Ahh thank you

Yeah you go to the closest Sea Level track you can find and run high 12's w/Super sticky aftermarket TIRES, + your little filter mod @ 111

That's stock C6 Vette territory

E55k>E63 or 63 anything It's called Low End TORQUE

juicee63

a 12.6 is high 12's? 111.8. car did good its 4600 lbs bud how much does the vette weigh?

as fot the 55 vs 63 debate whats wrong with the clk 55? looks like it gets whacked by the 63. Your just dead wrong on th3 63 funny you have not driven one but once again your an expert. Oh yeah if you were not watching I won the race on the vid thats what matters buddy! A win is a win is a win and I also beat a highly modded 55. 9-1 that day at SAC and my time was respected by those that attended. How many 1/4 mile slips have you posted?

Sorry brah but you losing to a 55 the outcome against a 63 would be the same. You guys are clueless on the way the 63 delivers torque. Look at a dyno , there is PLENTY of torque

juicee63

Man the stock C6 in the video gets absolutely OBLITERATED. I also destroyed that Vette. Love how you PAPER RACE. Show up man I will buy you a set of rears. Oh yeah there will be an 06 C6. I will video the ONE THOUSAND POUND HEAVIER CLS 63 crushing the C6. How does the ****ty engine do this?

juicee63

not according to this

http://www.dragtimes.com/compare2.ph...ame=Compare%21

juicee63

Funny AMG says otherwise.

http://www.mercedes-amg.com/index2.html

"WORLDS MOST POWERFUL NATURALLY ASPIRATED EIGHT CYLINDER PRODUCTION ENGINE"

From AMG

juicee63

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIaSzJyb08A

Funny looked like the 63 beat the shi* out of the 55 at the AMG challenge

juicee63

The east coast 63 team of XABO and VENOM, will run into the low 12's high eleven @117-119 . The car can doi it it just takes practice. I am certain Enzom and Housclas did not run 11.8 @118 the first or second time to the track?

v8plus4

I have to assume that by referring to this 09 "facelift", you are actually referring to an all new chassis.

I understand that model lifespans are decreasing, and agree that the current SL (230) is likely a 10 or 11 year model, but that's not the issue, the facelift is. The 107 ran approx. 18 years, with a slight facelift around year 15. The 129 was a 13 year car with a slight facelift in year 6. The current SL was just facelifted this year (year 5). If you're suggesting that MB is going to facelift the 230 AGAIN in 09, just prior to the new, redesigned SL's release, I don't buy it. I can't think of an instance where they have ever done more than one facelift on a particular chassis.

bfnnrgn

Not to rain on your parade, but if you listened to the end you'd find the 55 had a lower ET and trapped higher.

Ted Baldwin

........I am glad that I'm not the only one pointing out the importance of trapspeed in these races.

Ted

jimand7

blah
geez. i will gladly share pics of both my cl600 and e55 back to back, if you like. the race did happen. it is not sceintific info but just real world result. OK so the 63 engine needs to be broken in. fine.
it is still not the best engine in the S or CL model lineup AT ALL. all the other ranting and raving going, on take it easy.
"e63's sit on the lot...e55's NEVER sat on a lot" a quote from a family member who owns a mercedes dealership who is in the top 10 in cali in sales volume.