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Old Feb 24, 2011 | 05:27 PM
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CL600 v CL63 -- which one?

I'm going to buy a CL this year--2007 or newer. I love the idea of an AMG in a super-premium coupe, but I also love the idea of a V12--definitely not going as far as a CL65, however.

My sense is that the 600 will offer a much more luxurious ride while the AMG will be, well, an AMG... on paper, the 600 seems a more robust challenger: 612 lb-ft torque AT 1800 RPM v AMG's 465 lb-ft @5200. All that torque at such a low rev is really attractive.

Then there's braking--my guess is that the 600 might win 0-100, but the AMG probably wins 100-0...

Interestingly, though the 600 is about $10K more new, the AMGs seem to be going for slightly more on the used/CPO market.

Any thoughts much appreciated.

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Old Feb 24, 2011 | 05:47 PM
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Had the same mind bender - decided to go with 600. AMG is extremely attractive - beautiful body kit, amazing brakes, exhaust, sound, badges - super premium coupe, as you've mentioned. One small difference for me was - v12. This is a monster. I installed an aftermarket kit and will add a RennTech tuning. For such a big car, v12 is a must. CL65 is ultimate. 600 is closer to it My 2 cents.
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Originally Posted by Autobahnistlieb
I'm going to buy a CL this year--2007 or newer. I love the idea of an AMG in a super-premium coupe, but I also love the idea of a V12--definitely not going as far as a CL65, however.

My sense is that the 600 will offer a much more luxurious ride while the AMG will be, well, an AMG... on paper, the 600 seems a more robust challenger: 612 lb-ft torque AT 1800 RPM v AMG's 465 lb-ft @5200. All that torque at such a low rev is really attractive.

Then there's braking--my guess is that the 600 might win 0-100, but the AMG probably wins 100-0...

Interestingly, though the 600 is about $10K more new, the AMGs seem to be going for slightly more on the used/CPO market.

Any thoughts much appreciated.

Thanks!
Correct me if I'm wrong.

The 63 comes with the MCT 7 speed tranny, whereas, the 600 is the 5 speed. The MCT 7 speed makes it a different beast. You may wish to test drive ea before making that decision.

Either, car in your garage is a winner.
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Old Feb 24, 2011 | 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by m_berman
Correct me if I'm wrong.

The 63 comes with the MCT 7 speed tranny, whereas, the 600 is the 5 speed. The MCT 7 speed makes it a different beast. You may wish to test drive ea before making that decision.

Either, car in your garage is a winner.
The MCT didn't come until the 2011 facelift which also came with the 5.5 Biturbo. Earlier models came with the standard 7-speed autobox. It looks like the op is going CPO so I think he won't be seeing the MCT much
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Old Feb 25, 2011 | 07:12 AM
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The 7 speed gear box is nice. But so is having enough torque that not only don't you need gears, but you can break the 7 speed gear box.

If you're looking to spend in that range, it might be worth going a year older and just getting a 65 for about the same price.
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Old Feb 25, 2011 | 09:09 AM
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The 600 is the better choice in my opinion,because you can get the 600 tuned by renntech or speedriven and have an awesome ride.
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Old Feb 25, 2011 | 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Boston-SLtics
Had the same mind bender - decided to go with 600. AMG is extremely attractive - beautiful body kit, amazing brakes, exhaust, sound, badges - super premium coupe, as you've mentioned. One small difference for me was - v12. This is a monster. I installed an aftermarket kit and will add a RennTech tuning. For such a big car, v12 is a must. CL65 is ultimate. 600 is closer to it My 2 cents.
Ah! We're definitely on the same wavelength here--the calculus for me is start with the raw V12 and build up from there. The low-end torque on that V12 is just mind-boggling--for a road car, anyway. Can you tell me what kind of tuning you're doing?

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Old Feb 25, 2011 | 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by m_berman
Correct me if I'm wrong.

The 63 comes with the MCT 7 speed tranny, whereas, the 600 is the 5 speed. The MCT 7 speed makes it a different beast. You may wish to test drive ea before making that decision.

Either, car in your garage is a winner.
Yeah, the gearbox is definitely a consideration and thanks for bringing it up--the 63's extra cogs will certainly make it easier to stay on the power, but still, for me, it is hard to argue with the 600's torque figures. Of course I will test-drive them both--actually drove a CL63 already and found it a little sluggish off the line compared to an E63--no surprise there--which is what got me looking at the 600.

I guess it comes down to the pedigree of the AMG handbuilt engine and all the racing heritage or just the brute force of a massive V12.
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Old Feb 25, 2011 | 01:22 PM
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The 7 speed gear box is nice. But so is having enough torque that not only don't you need gears, but you can break the 7 speed gear box.
I like the way you think.

If you're looking to spend in that range, it might be worth going a year older and just getting a 65 for about the same price.
That's a good consideration as well.
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Old Feb 25, 2011 | 01:23 PM
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The 600 all the way. On the S and CL (even the ML) the 63 is all wrong. You don't want a big, nearly 5000 lb. car that lacks low RPM grunt. You can usually get the 600 for less, they have pretty much the same brakes, etc., and with a quick ECU tune you can leave any of the big 63s (tuned or stock) in the dust.
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The 600 all the way. On the S and CL (even the ML) the 63 is all wrong. You don't want a big, nearly 5000 lb. car that lacks low RPM grunt. You can usually get the 600 for less, they have pretty much the same brakes, etc., and with a quick ECU tune you can leave any of the big 63s (tuned or stock) in the dust.
Looking at your website--looks like you can do quite a bit with that V12...

The ECU upgrade looks like a no-brainer. Can you tell me a little more about your bolt-on upgrades?
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The 600 motors are handbuilt, as well.
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The 600 motors are handbuilt, as well.
That I did not know. Do you know if it's similar to AMG's "one man, one engine" philosophy? Do you know where the engines are made?
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That I did not know. Do you know if it's similar to AMG's "one man, one engine" philosophy? Do you know where the engines are made?

There made in Sindelfingen, Germany.
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I have the V12TT and love the power, but I don't have the ECU tune so I can't speak. However, I do think the AMG shifting is much more to my liking for daily driving. From what I hear, the CL63 has plenty of power/torque and more ROAR from engine...so I think the OP has to test drive them both to decide what he prefers.
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