Eltigre

Hi,I'm new in this forum.
I am interested to know if anyone of you have information about this new model - CLE Coupe- that is expected to become the replacement of the C- Class and E- Class Coupes for the next year.
Specifically the AMG series.
Thanks a lot
Eltigre

W205C43PFL

Hi there : ) @Eltigre

I wouldn't consider myself an expert at all as many others are much more (I mean much more) knowledgeable than me but let me try to answer your questions to the best of my knowledge in detail : ).

The CLE is based on the same platform (MRAII) the W206 uses, so it is possible that it will use the same engine lineup as the W206. As far as what we seen so far, the next E-Class will at least have an inline 6 available so if the "E" in the "CLE" is dominant, then it may use the E-Class' lineup of engines. Dominant for example the SLC, the "C" was dominant and it was basically a C-Class based roadster. The W214 E-Class will be based on the MRAII platform as well.

An inline 6 can actually fit in vehicles based on that platform (MRAII), the reason I know is because the X254 (basically the 2023 GLC) will have a inline 6 diesel for Europe although no AMG versions of the X254 will have a six cylinder and that is pretty much confirmed, the W223 (S-Class) based on the same platform (MRAII) has a V8 and even V12 in the Maybach version so it is possible to make it fit if Mercedes wants to. So there is still possible hope for six cylinders for the CLE. It is possible that Mercedes wants to reference the CLK and its position in MB's lineup on top of the merging of the C and E Coupe/convertibles, creating this CLE.

For your other question, if you only want straight line performance and sound, the BMW will win for sure and you will feel right at home since you currently have one. As the BMW you mentioned to compare with the C 43, it has the inline 6 with a 48V mild hybrid system (I think?), did you consider the new M3 as well? While the W206 C 43 has the M139l inline-4 from the R232 SL 43 also with the 48V mild-hybrid system and e-turbo from Mercedes' Formula 1 team but the W206 C 43 is heavy, the four cylinder wouldn't sound as nice as the BMW. Here is a W206 C 43 sound clip recorded by a reviewer (youtube.com/watch?v=FsOSJwSGVUE). There are also things to get used to coming to Mercedes-Benz but it is probably worth it and exciting for you to learn new things : ) (at least in my opinion) You may also consider the W206 C 63s e performance as well if you don't mind the weight of that thing, it has the same engine and turbo but it is plug-in hybrid and has electric motors with much more horsepower, the base horsepower of the engine is higher than the W206 C 43 too.

It also depends on how long you want to wait and if you are in a rush for a new vehicle (if you are indeed in a rush I would actually recommend getting that BMW so you can enjoy first and you can always hop on the CLE later. Since you are considering the CLE though, you wanted a coupe or convertible? If so then you might be looking at the four series, or you want a roadster, the Z4, as far as I heard, it was recently facelifted but with minor changes.

I am wondering if you will miss the V8 from your vehicle, your other options could even be the current gen C205 C 63s, with the M177 4.0L turbocharged V8 unless you need 4MATIC? If V8 isn't a must have and you need 4MATIC, you could also consider the C205 C 43 4MATIC as well as it has a M276 BiTURBO 3.0L V6 and it sounds good too (but I am biased). I am also not sure how long you keep your cars for because the engine in the C 43 is proven to be reliable and there is no mild-hybrid things that has a risk of failing.

The CLE isn't revealed yet and being a (relatively) low priority vehicle, it will take a while before it arrives to South and North America, and the chip shortage isn't helping, although thankfully it seems like the chip shortage is slightly better than before. Since from your previous message, you stated you were interested in the CLE 53 (if it follows the W214 E-Class line-up) or CLE 43 (if it follows the W206 C-Class line-up) the wait will be longer, probably at least a couple of months to half a year. As MB will likely reveal the regular Mercedes-Benz models first which as you know that also isn't revealed yet. Which means the CLE 43 or 53 might be a 2024 model year vehicle, there is still hope for 2023 model year though. Another thing is, there were times that Mercedes does use the 43 and 53 nomenclature in the same class as well, for example the EQE class with the EQE 43 and EQE 53.

As for your other question on how the CLE looks like, here are some images posted online: https://www.motor1.com/news/615630/m...rst-spy-shots/

If you like the interior and exterior design of the W206 C 43, that might be enough of a reason why you want that car. I am not sure about South America but as far as I heard, North America is going to start getting shipments of first batches of W206 C 43 by the end of this year from productions that commenced in late September to early October. I am also not sure how long the wait is to actually submitting an order to the dealership and then building it though, you might want to ask your dealership about that as it is region dependent, sorry about that : (

Hope that helps : ) Please feel free to reply with further questions, I will try my best to answer them if I am able to.

Eltigre

Hi W205C43PFL,
Thank you so much for your extensive response .I will be alert when the official MB world premiere of the new CLE will be .
This is the kind of car I've been dreaming of for sometime,and the ideal replacement of the M3 E92 I own .

W205C43PFL

Glad to help, let me know if you have more questions... but in the mean time you are not interested in getting a new BMW because as mentioned earlier, the wait might be a while for the CLE and especially the model you were looking at, the CLE 43/53? I am guessing based on your responses, you also don't mind not having a V8 anymore and not interested in the current gen C205 C 63s, the coupe or the C205 C 43.

shadi150

I am also interested. Does anyone know when it will be unveiled and when it'll hit dealers? Is it this year or next year?

W205C43PFL

This year. It might be hitting dealerships next year though, there is still possibility for it to hit dealerships this year.

ILoveNY

How is the residual value given the market shift to SUVs in recent years?

I am open to a 2020 C300 convertible as well but I feel that it's not much cheaper than the new CLE...

W205C43PFL

Residual is not stable due to changing economy the past few years, one thing for sure though the CLE will have a higher MSRP and options might be more expensive. That is true for an all new model in the past and especially true during these unpredictable times.

W205C43PFL

Found this on another thread: If all goes well (no more delay), the C236 CLE should be revealed as soon as next month or the month after the latest.

W205C43PFL

A early preview of the CLE in prototype forum uploaded by a youtuber:

W205C43PFL

Engine variants for the MBUSA market leaked by the EPA: https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...73f7803986.png

ILoveNY

hope it gets the e-class colors like verde silver

W205C43PFL

E-Class colours will be nice

ILoveNY

yep the current C class has only boring colors

W205C43PFL

Exactly

W205C43PFL

ILoveNY

https://www.motor1.com/news/674749/mercedes-cle-teaser/

debut july 5th

hey mods, we need new forum

W205C43PFL

Wow great info thank you. Looking forward to the reveal. MB usually announce reveals well in advance, like half a month or even a month so this is surprise announcement being announced just 3 days from today.

ILoveNY

it's about time. this model replaces so many legendary models. They better be fast and do well.

if they are slow they basically just give revenues to BMW and AUDI

W205C43PFL

For sure, this model is also one that I am highly shopping for. Although the interior design should be based on the W206 C-Class. Really hope they have some quality materials inside from the W214 E-Class.

ILoveNY

it's on my shopping list as well . I don't like the C-class tilted screen. I like the E-class interior... But it's clear CLE is getting C-class interior...

I hope at least it gets E-class colors

W205C43PFL

Getting E-Class colours are nice, I am just happy that it is getting E-Class engines, inline-6 at least for amg models, but that was expected as E-coupe/cabriolet shoppers will also be shopping the CLE after all.

Prices will be interesting because of that. Obviously it can't be more expensive than the W214 E-Class.

ILoveNY

6 cylinder will be more reliable than the 4 cylinder?

reading the cylinder head stories on GLB and GLC forum makes me scary

W205C43PFL

I think so, and once MB figures out the 48V mild hybrid system reliability issue (although I think they are super close to figuring that out) then it would be more reliable. Six cylinders I just very much like the exhaust note and the fact German inline-6s are inherently smooth which adds up to the driving experience.

W205C43PFL

The four cylinder in general will have to work harder than the six-cylinder ever will, and therefore six cylinders can work less yet produce good amount of power at low RPMs which by the way could actually be more fuel efficient than a four cylinder working at high RPMs to complete the same task.