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10-08-2005, 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan ****
Do you know what kind of injectors HPS uses on their system? What is the flow rate?
10-08-2005, 07:36 PM
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hey josh and everyone. haven't been on the fourm for a while. but i saw this and i had to respond. i have personaly seen and seen the hop suprecharged clk and driven in it and everything that josh says is true. and i have seen the car on dyno. the original silver conv clk430 that belongs to josh the owner of hop. and belive me it's a much nicer s/c system the hps and kleeman. it's a true force induction not a ***** **** like all the other ones out there. and this is coimng from a guy that owned turbo and SCd cars. turbo mrs turbo mr2, sr20det s13 and s14 and my now turbo clk320 which i'm not boosting at the moment because the tranny is very shakky under boost i'm planning on putting a e55 shifter and then putting turbo back in there. so anyone wants to attack josh about his HOP SC system please take a ride in the car visit the facility and see the car on dyno and LEARN about the concept of boosting and then come and talk with the big boys. josh congrats man car is looking great. oh ya and for the ones giving him **** about intercooler, if you know anything about superchargers you would know that with his system you don't need it but if you want to crank up boost to 10 or even higher then you use an after cooler and heat exchanger. so please get it right no intercooler. josh keep yo head up dogg youre doing a great job. 
10-08-2005, 11:05 PM
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whoa turbo clk320? what? details! :P
10-10-2005, 09:04 PM
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06' Clk 500 Cabriolet, 01' CL 55, 00' Clk 430
Originally Posted by VIPclk320
oh ya and for the ones giving him **** about intercooler, if you know anything about superchargers you would know that with his system you don't need it but if you want to crank up boost to 10 or even higher then you use an after cooler and heat exchanger. so please get it right no intercooler.
It just a figure of SPEECH Dude !! Everybody know the difference between and intercooler and aftercooler/heat exchanger. Even Mercedes does not even mention heat exchanger or aftercooler on all their E55, SL 55...etc. new car brochures. They still called it INTERCOOLER !! It just a figure of speech.
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10-10-2005, 09:10 PM
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06' Clk 500 Cabriolet, 01' CL 55, 00' Clk 430
Originally Posted by mtimmy
Linh.,,. please help Dan and me out.,., we wanted to know what the injectors are.,!!! seriously!!!... we are running so lean that gonna blew our engine any time
I don't believe it. Josh claimed his car is running fine with stock injectors with almost the same set up is your. So, why does your is running lean?
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10-11-2005, 01:04 AM
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Lihn, believe me or not, I am running lean on my car at around 4700 RPM and higher and start detonating around 5200. I could really use the information regarding the increase into how many pounds your new injectors are rated at. I don't even need to know what brand, I just need to know what the flow rate is so I can get my revalved.
10-11-2005, 01:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Dan ****
Lihn, believe me or not, I am running lean on my car at around 4700 RPM and higher and start detonating around 5200. I could really use the information regarding the increase into how many pounds your new injectors are rated at. I don't even need to know what brand, I just need to know what the flow rate is so I can get my revalved.
It's technically sensitive data that only HPS themselves can decide to divulge
Contact Adam@HPS who knows maybe he'll help you out
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10-11-2005, 02:02 AM
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06' Clk 500 Cabriolet, 01' CL 55, 00' Clk 430
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You've got to realize, Linh isn't trying to be a jerk by not giving out this info.
It's technically sensitive data that only HPS themselves can decide to divulge Contact Adam@HPS who knows maybe he'll help you out
It's technically sensitive data that only HPS themselves can decide to divulge
Contact Adam@HPS who knows maybe he'll help you out Guys, i would love to help you but you both asking me info that's very sensitive to HPS. My advice is to check out all the Mercedes 55 engine with factory sc injectors flow rate and decide the flow rate for your application or better yet, try running those injectors on your engine. Also try running higher flow fuel pump like in the Kleemann application.
10-11-2005, 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Clk&Slk
....Also try running higher flow fuel pump like in the Kleemann application.
10-11-2005, 08:32 PM
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06' Clk 500 Cabriolet, 01' CL 55, 00' Clk 430
Originally Posted by CoryU
KLEEMANN does not use a higher flow fuel pump.
My bad, maybe it just the owner with Kleemann kit just want to experienment with higher flow fuel pump.
10-20-2005, 04:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Josh K
Linh - Considering most racing occurs at higher RPM, I won't have a problem at all. Keep in mind that while a car with a huge torque curve will have to "baby it" out of the hole (cause while you're smoking tires, you ain't going anywhere) while I'll more than likely already be through the intersection; and once a centrifugal car is going, good luck catching it. :0)
It's a lot of fun on canyon runs, too where you're actually selecting and holding specific gears. *sigh* If only I had a manual :0(
8psi without an intercooler is hardly taking it to the max. The car runs cool and doesn't detonate on pump gas. There's a comfortable margin between an 8psi max and the 11 psi pulley that would require an aftercooler (not an intercooler).
Blake - Or cars put down closer to 215-220 at the wheels stock. My 235 run was with the AMG airbox. Someone else on here posted a 251 number but that was with NO airbox at all.
Blake and Linh,
Air fuel was between 12:1 and 11.5:1 all the way across. Because of the way the kit's set up, all that required adjusting was the FMU. I only emailed myself the dyno you see, but when Josh R is back from vacation, I'll get the other one and post it (with the a/f curve). I'll also do a run with stock wheels and see where that put me. By then hopefully I'll have had some time to edit together a cool dyno vid from the footage I shot.
Thanks for the kind words, everyone. For those that are in SoCal - I'm going to try and organize a track day where we can all have some fun with our cars. I've been very busy as of late, but this is something I really want to get going on...
It's a lot of fun on canyon runs, too where you're actually selecting and holding specific gears. *sigh* If only I had a manual :0(
8psi without an intercooler is hardly taking it to the max. The car runs cool and doesn't detonate on pump gas. There's a comfortable margin between an 8psi max and the 11 psi pulley that would require an aftercooler (not an intercooler).
Blake - Or cars put down closer to 215-220 at the wheels stock. My 235 run was with the AMG airbox. Someone else on here posted a 251 number but that was with NO airbox at all.
Blake and Linh,
Air fuel was between 12:1 and 11.5:1 all the way across. Because of the way the kit's set up, all that required adjusting was the FMU. I only emailed myself the dyno you see, but when Josh R is back from vacation, I'll get the other one and post it (with the a/f curve). I'll also do a run with stock wheels and see where that put me. By then hopefully I'll have had some time to edit together a cool dyno vid from the footage I shot.
Thanks for the kind words, everyone. For those that are in SoCal - I'm going to try and organize a track day where we can all have some fun with our cars. I've been very busy as of late, but this is something I really want to get going on...
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10-20-2005, 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by E55Cent
Congrats on your new S/C, great looking to. I to just installed my Gen 1 HPS supercharger on my 55 and I love it and will be getting dyno numbers very soon. I was also able to keep my EvoSport pullies so maybe those will give me a few ponies. Let me know when you want to set up a meet. I live in Ventura,CA. I really don't care what S/C people get, just as long as they get something.
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11-12-2005, 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Dan ****
Lihn, believe me or not, I am running lean on my car at around 4700 RPM and higher and start detonating around 5200. I could really use the information regarding the increase into how many pounds your new injectors are rated at. I don't even need to know what brand, I just need to know what the flow rate is so I can get my revalved.
Here is the link: https://mbworld.org/forums/showthrea...90#post1346490 This piggyback system I think is the same exact one Adam at HPS is using with there kit.Don't quote me on that HPS comment but I inquired about this many months ago when I was swapping out my 4.3L motor for the 5.5l motor. (I will list the system because i have it in an old thread.Speedybenz is the one who first mentioned the system to me and I did further research.)To my surprise the C43 4.3L motor uses the same size and color injectors as the AMG 5.5L N/A engine. So as a result I didnt need the piggy back and just reflashed my Stck AMG ECU with E55 files.Now the car theoretically thinks and runs like a C55. Oh here is another link! http://www.geocities.com/gregcclk55/
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11-12-2005, 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Clk&Slk
I don't believe it. Josh claimed his car is running fine with stock injectors with almost the same set up is your. So, why does your is running lean?
11-12-2005, 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Dan ****
Do you know what kind of injectors HPS uses on their system? What is the flow rate?
I'm building a 600hp DSM right now and I will be using 830-1000 cc injectors. Anyway give RC engineering a call or goto there website. http://www.rceng.com
I cannot understanfd the big deal about helping other members out with their projects.
It's a joke ! HPS has gone down several notches in my mind as far as I'm concerned! 
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in reply to that., Dan and I actually looked in the RC before....
the result is STILL unknown because we still can't figure out what to use... see the problem is the injectors are almost a hundred dollar a piece.,,. 8 of them would cost close to 800,. JUST TO TEST... its kind of a big gamble you know..
As far as HPS goes.,... I AGREE.. I WAS planning to purchase a Gen 1 or 2 unit from the a while ago, (last year).. after around 10 emails and questions they stopped answering me and gave me the link to their website......... You know,,, its a 5 to 8k investment.. its almost 15 % of the car's value....
It wouldn't hurt if a answering a couple of customer's question..... they just lost me as a customer for ever... too rude and bad customer service...
the result is STILL unknown because we still can't figure out what to use... see the problem is the injectors are almost a hundred dollar a piece.,,. 8 of them would cost close to 800,. JUST TO TEST... its kind of a big gamble you know..
As far as HPS goes.,... I AGREE.. I WAS planning to purchase a Gen 1 or 2 unit from the a while ago, (last year).. after around 10 emails and questions they stopped answering me and gave me the link to their website......... You know,,, its a 5 to 8k investment.. its almost 15 % of the car's value....
It wouldn't hurt if a answering a couple of customer's question..... they just lost me as a customer for ever... too rude and bad customer service...
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11-12-2005, 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by mtimmy
in reply to that., Dan and I actually looked in the RC before....
the result is STILL unknown because we still can't figure out what to use... see the problem is the injectors are almost a hundred dollar a piece.,,. 8 of them would cost close to 800,. JUST TO TEST... its kind of a big gamble you know..
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the result is STILL unknown because we still can't figure out what to use... see the problem is the injectors are almost a hundred dollar a piece.,,. 8 of them would cost close to 800,. JUST TO TEST... its kind of a big gamble you know..
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Did you call RC engineering and tell them your potenial hp goals? Tell them 450-500hp crank. You got to pay to play! Find out how many CC's the green Bosch injectors (AMG 4.3 and 5.5L use these)are and that should give you a good idea as to what you have.The Regular MB 4.3l cars use pink injectors.I cannot remember how many lbs each is.
If you called RC and you had the info as far as hp etc you would have been given the info on the correct inj to use.It's a very simple thing and you can get the injectors on Ebay like I did when I modded my M3 and needed bigger injectors.
Dont want to use RC's get some Bosch.i got mine for 80.00 for a set of six.not 600.00 bucks!
11-12-2005, 08:13 PM
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Thanks for your help., the guy you refer is probabbly Grec..
I talked to him personally couple times., WE ALL uses a piggyback unit (to clear things up)., . to lower the MAF signal so that it dosen't go higher than 5V and make the car goes in to safe mode...
oh .,. one stupid thing wanted to ask.,.... are those injecotrs in standard size.. verus specific application?
I talked to him personally couple times., WE ALL uses a piggyback unit (to clear things up)., . to lower the MAF signal so that it dosen't go higher than 5V and make the car goes in to safe mode...
oh .,. one stupid thing wanted to ask.,.... are those injecotrs in standard size.. verus specific application?
11-12-2005, 08:28 PM
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Thanks for your help., the guy you refer is probabbly Grec..
I talked to him personally couple times., WE ALL uses a piggyback unit (to clear things up)., . to lower the MAF signal so that it dosen't go higher than 5V and make the car goes in to safe mode...
oh .,. one stupid thing wanted to ask.,.... are those injecotrs in standard size.. verus specific application?
I talked to him personally couple times., WE ALL uses a piggyback unit (to clear things up)., . to lower the MAF signal so that it dosen't go higher than 5V and make the car goes in to safe mode...
oh .,. one stupid thing wanted to ask.,.... are those injecotrs in standard size.. verus specific application?
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11-12-2005, 08:30 PM
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Not to be boastful but if I had the S/C on my kit I would know exactly what to do so i wanna give you guys as much info as possible b4 I start my app with my C55/43. You can have many different brands of car use the same color Bosch injectors.i have some blue Bosch 24lbers in my M3 and the 5.0L Ford Mustang GT uses the same exact ones.
You can have many different brands of car use the same color Bosch injectors.i have some blue Bosch 24lbers in my M3 and the 5.0L Ford Mustang GT uses the same exact ones.
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11-12-2005, 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by mtimmy
Thanks for your help., the guy you refer is probabbly Grec..
I talked to him personally couple times., WE ALL uses a piggyback unit (to clear things up)., . to lower the MAF signal so that it dosen't go higher than 5V and make the car goes in to safe mode...
I talked to him personally couple times., WE ALL uses a piggyback unit (to clear things up)., . to lower the MAF signal so that it dosen't go higher than 5V and make the car goes in to safe mode...
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HAHAHH., THANKS SOOO MUCH for clearing up my 
yeah., so I will be looking in to those Bosch..
btw., I found out the GREEN bosch is 42lb... IF this is the SAME green we are talking about.
yeah., so I will be looking in to those Bosch..
btw., I found out the GREEN bosch is 42lb... IF this is the SAME green we are talking about.
