Here's anyone's chance to get a 5.5L motor to do the swap! Check it out!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MERCE...spagenameZWDVW

 

I think the accident that car was in happened in New Orleans

 

Wow, $6,500 starting bid without transmission? Judging by the picture, it looks like the car had the accident driving off the dealership parking lot immediately following pickup, i think 5 years is a good amount of time for that much dust to accumulate. i can see the point of switching a 5.5 into a car like a C43, but when you can just buy a CLK55, why bother?

 

Exactly what i thought when i saw it.

 

OH Brother!
Well then you two guys must know something I don't! How much do you think it cost me to do my swap?I bought my engine for 5k and the car for 15k. You guys ,Figure out the rest. And I have my 4.3L available for sale!

Now ,I'll tell you one thing, it was thousands less than buying a 2k or 2k1 Clk55! By the way this would more be in the interest of the guys with the V8's (CLK 430) because it would just drop right in! It will still be cheaper than a E55 or CLK55 if it goes for only 6500.00 and u drop it in the CLK430 or E430.

 

Isnt the 55 tranny different than the 430? When its all said and done it would cost 10k+ w/ labor and everything for about 75 more horses. I dont think its worth it. I could just sell my car and get a 55.

 

I think its just an opportunity cost thing. With a CLK 55 (the w208s have come way down in price, especialy on ebay) you get full AMG accessories like interior trim and all that. Plus, isnt the CLK55 equipped with a speedshift AMG transmission? I dont think the two are the same. Labor would also be killer, and you risk reliability issues as well. Like i said earlier, since there was never a W202 C55 i can see how a 5.5 swap is a great idea, but if you could have sold your W202 C43 for a W202 C55 already put together and with a few improvements over the C43 you already had, what would you have done? Now, if someone was wanting to swap the new AMG 6.3 into a w208, I'd be very interested in that since you cant just go buy a w208 CLK63, they dont exist, just like W202 C55s dont exist (i know the technology probably wouldnt link well, but the comparison is valid i think).

 

Yea 75 more hp and over 115-120ftlbs.of TQ!
Where are you gonna get that for less than 6500.00 other than a HPS F/I kit!Where on earth are you getting 10k from! Do you have an idea? The 5.5l motor will bolt up to the 430 tranny! When you supercharge a 430 ,whether it be kleeman or HPS ,Guess what!, the 4.3L motor will be putting out more TQ and HP!The 430 tranny will handle it perfectly.I'm still using my C43 transmission in my car.NO PROBLEMS!
You can go the route of F/I or increase in displacement which is cheaper than installing a Kleeman F/I kit. 5.5L motor in a 99 CLK will be still cheaper than buying a 2k-2k1 and 2k2 CLK55.

 

Dude let me explain!The AMG tranny ,speed shift,non speedshift IS the same tranny.Only a few minor parts get changed to do that conversion which is really not even necessary!

Reliability issues?About what?

What do you know about the W202 C55? What were the improvements if any?You say it never existed! You need to do your research because your knowledge about this is flawed! . In 98 you could send your W202 C43 into AMG ,and for an ungodly amt of money ,they would do the conversion for you. W202 C55

Why buy a CLK55 off of ebay from some other state and you clearly cannot see whether the car was taken care of.itt's 50-50.What is the cheapest you've seen a CLK55 go for? Please show me!

You need to look at the prices of these things my friend.On www.autotrader.com CLK55 are even more $$$$! http://search.ebay.com/clk55_Passeng...Z1QQsacatZ6001
Price came way down? Are u nutz? CLK's hold their value pretty well.They probably hold their value almost as well as the E-class or better in some cases.

Well in that comparison I could be wrng.

 

You are completely missing the point here. Sure you can do a W202 5.5L engine swap. Im not questioning that and think it was a good idea. My point is that AMG never produced a W202 C55 for general RESALE to the public through dealerships, and that this makes the swap worth while for a w202. The same is not true for the w208. Go look it up yourself, no w202 C55 was produced for resale...
http://www.mbusa.com/amg/index.jsp

Not many people will want to take the time to change the engine in a car, mess with the transmission (which already is testy for the 430s, lots of blown bearing problems), and pay for all that labor to have a CLK55 when they could sell their CLK430 and just BUY IT outright.
Here's a CLK55 (with heinous wheels i might add) for $24.5K
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Merce...spagenameZWDVW

The cheapest 430 on ebay is about $17k
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Merce...04206136QQrdZ1

So thats a 7.5k difference
minus 6300 for the engine
minus whatever for the minor transmission modifications
minus labor costs (which by themselves would be over the remaining 1200)
minus the hassle of finding someone to do the swap, being without a car for a while, knowing the car still wasnt a *REAL* AMG (not yours, a modded 430, yours was AMG from the factory), and any other problems that came up (after all, how do you know the engine you're buying has been cared for well? This one certainly doesnt look it.)

Plus you still have to change out suspension, brakes, gauge cluster, badging, and a lot of other things if you have a 99 model 430.

Ebay has its risks too, i bought mine from a guy in Chicago off of ebay. I had the car inspected before it was shipped down to me and i had to do a few things to get it back up to good condition (paint work, wheel refinishing, replace leaking rear differential). The bottom line is, you put in alot of time and effort on your C43 to make it into a C55 which, in a w202 is extremely rare. That custom effect just doesnt hold the same weight with a w208 because it is one of the engines that was put into the car by the manufacturer.

 

Wow! I'm not a newbie and I actually do know what im talking about. Are you gonna put that engine in for me for free? Cuz I sure dont know anyone that will. I could sell my car and put less than what it would cost me to get that engine in my car and have a W208 clk55. I've already had to replace my trans once so I will have to rely on my experience, as opposed to your word on the topic of the 430 trans being reliable. Im sure there are other things to be taken into consideration (ie condition of the engine) that i cannot tell by looking at a dusty pic online. If you will get that engine in my car for 6500 and have it run reliably, the money is waiting for you in my account.

 

Bet your glad you started this post! lol

 

Sure! buy the engine,give me 1500.00 to install it and call it a day! I paid 5k for my motor and 1500.00 to install it+ I have my 4.3L to sell.Good deal huh?

 

First of all I know this and there are also PLENTY of AMG's not even posted in that link that were made that never came to the US or came grey market! Do I need to go thru a whole list of them for you from 6 cylinders to 12 cylinders.I will if you want but they are Euro only! That goes for BMW's as well my friend.

This mod is for the few that do want the mod just like the few that bought S/C kits. And I told you the tranny mod is not even necessary.The 98-99E55's don't have that stupid tranny shift module.neither does the C43 from 98-99.It's not necessary. I did post a 13sec 1/4 mile run shifting my tranny as ity is!
What spun bearing problems are you talking about?

I've seen 99's go for way cheaper than that!As low as 12k!
So you're making this assumption based on how the engine cover looks.I like that! You should have seen what mine looked like b4 it was installed.C558Mo bought a 5.5L motor from a car that was on fire and had NO issues whatsoever.Car has dynoed over 300whp!

Who says you have to do all that! The Kleeman S/C kit puts out more hp and TQ on the 4.3L motor and use their same brakes and suspension.
Why would you have to change the cluster.This all sounds like you're reaching!
I'll tell you a secret,I bought my C43 from ebay,the car was local and I bought it for 15k with 73k miles.All I had to do was replace a cracked headlight lens and repair a dent by the grill.You took way more of a chance than I did!The bottom line is that you have no experience with the simple install and don't know all it entails so I can't blame you for all your assumptions.I personally know 5 folks here in the US that have done it with me being there thru(2)cars that went thru the whole installation process. I'll just repeat my above comments to this statement. You'll be surprised at how similar the C43 and the CLK430 are engine and suspension wise! Ask me how I know!


PS By the way,I'm no stranger to doing swaps,ever notice the cars in my profile.yes I turned my 94 325i into an M3(m332i)! Samething with the eagle Talon,used a 1st gen motor in a 2nd gen car.MB engine swaps V8 to V8 are very very simple.That goes for BMW(L6-L6 and V8 to V8 as well my friend. And yes I have a friend that put a v8 E39 M5 motor into his 540I.There are folks that do it ,find the motors cheap and do the installs!Good day!

 

how much work is it to just put a 430 engine into a 320? I always wondered about that. Im assuming you need to change ur tranny and all computers. The 430/55 seems easy.

 

Why not! Some people like interesting stuff and want to be informed.It sure got your attention NOOBIE!

 

To change a 320 into a 430 the easy way, do the following
1) Take car to dealer, locate 430 donor car.
2) Talk to sales rep about your desire to upgrade your 320 to a 430
3) He will politely price your 320's trade in value and you may pay or finance the difference.

Hard way
replace
engine, electronics, transmission, suspension, body trim, interior trim, wheels, etc. spending way to much on all this, plus migraine medicine.

Dont get me wrong guys, im not against engine swaps, but not for something that you can just go and buy outright. Carl's C55, that E46 323i turned into a supercharged E46 M3 (four door), and japanese or muscle car engine swaps can have really cool results because practically no one else will have the exact same setup as you, its like creating a completely different car model that the factory never did. What someone should do is see if the 55k engine (Kleeman on a CLK55 might be just as good though) or the new 6.3 will fit, now that would be amazing

 

Now that's a different story.It's been done though because there is a guy who got a C43 4.3L motor installed into his W203 C240.The car is beautiful but i forgot the guys handle.Yes the 430 to 55 move is elementary! Same harness,AFM,trannies are all basically the same with the newer cars(2k1 and up) having improved and strengthened internals.
There is a thread with a whole right up on the guys car.i will try to find it and post it.The car is a thing of beauty.

I need to do research on the V6 to v8 mod but it won't take long to find out.

 

On another note guys if I got lucky and got my c43 for 15k,would'nt a clk430(99-2k) be obviously cheaper!

 

I just have one question. Do you make comission off this or something? You seem hard pressed to get this thing sold. If life was about hp, id take that 10k and buy a modded Grand national off ebay and spank ur C55 all day long. Or just forget about the 10k, go to the bank and pick up a modded single turbo 1000hp supra and crush everything that comes my way. Bottom line is that I think mercedes can put a car together better than a tech can. If I wanted a clk55 id go buy one. Theres no need to make one cuz plenty exist. Putting a 55 engine in a C43 is a nice accomplishment but putting one in a 208 is rediculous cuz u can buy one that came form the factory like that for a reasonable price.

 

Whats your point? Is 15k supposed to big money? Are you a baller now? You are really arrogant. I have spent more than that on my car in the last year and if I wanted a C43 I would go out and buy one. I bought my car for the looks and trust me, my car looks WAYYYYYYYY better than yours!

 

Perhaps on a 320 but I can't say for sure so don't assume!the harness is still very very similar!You'll be very very surprised to see how mb made the harnesses similar.the only difference may be the harness on the engine itself ,because at the firewall by the passenger side of the car is the plug from the harness leaving the ECU that's just plug and play.MB did all this to save money.A motor harness is cheaper to replace than the ECU and interior harness. For example,the harness leaving the V6 cars and v8 cars ECU's are the ame I bet but the engine harnesses are different meaning you have an engine harness for the V6 and an engine harness for the V8.I have a very strong feeling about this. I know these cars pretty damn well.

 

Whoa relax! I'm only saying that I got the car for a tremendous deal and the same can be done on the CLK430.Perhaps even way cheaper. I took less of a chance than you I'm saying because my ebay purchase was LOCAL(NY) as opposed to it being out of state where I could not see it.You're taking what I'm saying all wrng and out of context.I was not putting you down I just think I went about buying the car from ebay more cautiously and informed because it's 50-50 knowing what your going to get based on just looking at the internet and depending on folks to inspect your purchase.If your car looks better than mines ,kudos to you, but you are missing my point! Jeez! Hey it's only a C Class AMG C43,old school but classic as far as I'm concerned

 

I didnt buy my car off ebay. And I guess I cant really determine the way things are said online so I misinterpreted you.

 

LOL! Your a funny guy! Bring the GN no problem.If you can get it to run low 13's then your the man! For your info the guy that put my motor in is the master mechanic for the MB dealership over here! PS LOL! and No! I make no commission off of this I don't even know who owns the motor! But I get several PM's from guys to this day that want to do the swap,especially since the first time I posted mine. As a result three swaps have been done and folks have asked me for info.I found a motor ,got amped about it and decided to let folks know.If it helps you out good,but if not you did'nt have to reply to the thread!And Relax dude,why all the hostility!