Kleemann Supercharge
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Kleemann Supercharge
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I'm thinking of adding power to my clk320 2001. Which one do you guys think I should do, get a Kleemann supercharge or trade-in for clk430? Any suggestions will be highly appreciated. Thanks guys
I'm thinking of adding power to my clk320 2001. Which one do you guys think I should do, get a Kleemann supercharge or trade-in for clk430? Any suggestions will be highly appreciated. Thanks guys
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A 320 with the Kleemann Supercharger will beat a 430 any day of the week. Although the power will be greater, i can show you the system on my 430 if you'd like to come down to Orange County.
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MB will continue to cover warranty on all of your car, however if you have an engine problem, most likely it will be a battle to get that covered. Legally, they must prove that your aftermarket upgrade caused the problem in order to void your warranty.
As for secondary value, that's a tough one. Some people will pay more, some will pay less, and some will pay what they would if it wasn't supercharged. To be safe, I wouldn't supercharge it to increase the value, as you rarely get back what you put in. Supercharge your car for the fun factor
We currently have a C320 with the Kleemann supercharger at the shop, if you'd like to see that car, let me know.
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Ben
As for secondary value, that's a tough one. Some people will pay more, some will pay less, and some will pay what they would if it wasn't supercharged. To be safe, I wouldn't supercharge it to increase the value, as you rarely get back what you put in. Supercharge your car for the fun factor
We currently have a C320 with the Kleemann supercharger at the shop, if you'd like to see that car, let me know.
Thanks,
Ben
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............As most on the forum know, I have a CLK32K. I was deciding between supercharging my CLK320 or purchasing a CLK55. In my opinion, a CLK430 is not really in the same category as a CLK32K. In my case I opted to supercharge rather than purchase a CLK55 because I had made so many mods to my car that I did not want have to remove. I got the Kleemann, this was 10,000 joyous miles ago. You can get the supercharger installed for under $10,000. I think this is not as drastic as shelling out $18,000 for supercharging a V8. If you sell your car, you will not get back ithe money you put in the supercharger. But the thing can be easily removed to return your car to stock. There is a high demand for the superchargers especially if you elect to sell yours cheaper than a new one.
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Simply put, they remove (and give back) your intake manifold (what rests between the V of the engine), and replace it with a supercharger w/ intercooler mounted on top. A aftercooler is then added behind the front bumper.
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...........the standard HP increase for CLK320 is from the stock 215HP to 330HP. The CLK320 has a rear differential ratio of 3.07. So you will get a car with 330HP and rear differential of 3.07. This results in dramatic increase in performance. The stock CLk430 has 275HP and a differential ratio of 2.87. You can see how a stock CLK 430 is no comparison.
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Originally posted by Ted Baldwin
...........the standard HP increase for CLK320 is from the stock 215HP to 330HP. The CLK320 has a rear differential ratio of 3.07. So you will get a car with 330HP and rear differential of 3.07. This results in dramatic increase in performance. The stock CLk430 has 275HP and a differential ratio of 2.87. You can see how a stock CLK 430 is no comparison.
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...........the standard HP increase for CLK320 is from the stock 215HP to 330HP. The CLK320 has a rear differential ratio of 3.07. So you will get a car with 330HP and rear differential of 3.07. This results in dramatic increase in performance. The stock CLk430 has 275HP and a differential ratio of 2.87. You can see how a stock CLK 430 is no comparison.
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how does a differential ratio (larger or smaller) affect performance?
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Originally posted by Safet
Sorry for my ignorance, but I'd like to learn more...
how does a differential ratio (larger or smaller) affect performance?
Sorry for my ignorance, but I'd like to learn more...
how does a differential ratio (larger or smaller) affect performance?
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Higher ratios allow you to accelerate more quickly at the cost (potentially) of top speed and gas milage. You trade engine RPM for torque, so that at any given MPH the engine is turning at a higher RPM.
..........This is correct. A perfect example of this is the BMW M3 which is a relatively low HP but high rev engine. With the Kleemann in a CLK320, you get a high HP and a what I would say is a medium-high rev engine. You get improved acceleration, but top speedis not affected from that of the stock CLK320 because no change in your rear differential ratio is made. You can elect to adjust your rear differential ratio to an even higher number for even more dramatic increase in acceleration but some loss in top speed. Since few drive over 145mph regularly, the loss in top speed may not matter. Yes, there is no free lunch, so there is morte stress on your engine, but no one really knows quantitatively how much.
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..........This is correct. A perfect example of this is the BMW M3 which is a relatively low HP but high rev engine. With the Kleemann in a CLK320, you get a high HP and a what I would say is a medium-high rev engine. You get improved acceleration, but top speedis not affected from that of the stock CLK320 because no change in your rear differential ratio is made. You can elect to adjust your rear differential ratio to an even higher number for even more dramatic increase in acceleration but some loss in top speed. Since few drive over 145mph regularly, the loss in top speed may not matter. Yes, there is no free lunch, so there is morte stress on your engine, but no one really knows quantitatively how much.
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Gentle people, a tidbit of KLEEMANN info. I got the supercharger installed at 16k km. Currently I have 56k km on the car - this means 40000 km - or 25000 miles with a supercharged engine. Mostly without a hitch. Lately it seems like either the Lambda sonde or the throttle body (electronic part of it) might be giving in slightly, since it is sluggish at full throttle. A 60k service in the near future will tell.
My car is a CLK20K - meaning a 2 liter engine with roughly 200hp and a torque curve closely matching that of a stock 320. However, like Ted mentioned, higher ratio is better and I have an even higher ratio than a 320, so most likely I will outgun a stock 320 any day of the week.
The car still pulls very strong past 190 kph which is the fastest I have tried with it. Stock top speed is drag limited, but now I will be Red line limited and I estimate top speed at max rpm to be around 225-230kph (Stock is 215 I think).
My car is a CLK20K - meaning a 2 liter engine with roughly 200hp and a torque curve closely matching that of a stock 320. However, like Ted mentioned, higher ratio is better and I have an even higher ratio than a 320, so most likely I will outgun a stock 320 any day of the week.
The car still pulls very strong past 190 kph which is the fastest I have tried with it. Stock top speed is drag limited, but now I will be Red line limited and I estimate top speed at max rpm to be around 225-230kph (Stock is 215 I think).
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CLK430 Kleemann
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Different EVO. We just became a Kleemann dealer and I just picked up this CLK and ever since then I have been wondering why I waited so long to dive into Mercedes. Our business has revolved around Porsche for the last 5 years. I am thrilled with this car and its probably one of the best cars that I have ever owned
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We manage to compensate for some of the shipping expenses through product offerings to many of our customers. We have cars sent to us from all over the country, and one (which is currently in the shop) from Mexico.
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It depends, every situation is different. Obviously, we aren't going to lose money in the deal, but we understand the additional costs that loyal customers are willing to pay to transport their cars, and do what we can for them.
