LowRydeR

Ben came over to my house today to drop off his Koni shocks which he now has replaced them with the Kleemann Shocks. You wouldn't believe how the ride is, it's the best ride I've ever been to before. I like how the car doesn't feel like it's going 100mph and felt like it was going 40mph. Ben also showed me how the Kleemann shocks can make the turn so well that other shocks wouldn't be able to.

I think the price is very reasonable and if I could afford to purchase one I will. I highly recommend all of you to get the Kleemann suspension, you'll know why it's the "best".

I'll be changing my suspension in a week. I had my car lowered with H&R Sports Springs cut half coil which made my ride really stiff and caused the shocks not working propertly(but it looks great). Ben sold me his Koni shocks and I"ll be getting new H&R springs from F1 Motorsports in North Hollywood with 1/1 springs pads, this setup will be the same as the EvoSport Stage I suspension. I know the ride won't be as good as Ben's Kleemann suspension, but at least it would beat of the others.

karl k

How is your Escort Passport 8500 installation functioning?

You may really need it, - with the better ride comes more speed ... :o

Mach430

He he... I saw his Passport, looks cool. He's going to need it

LowRydeR

The Passport 8500 works fine but my girlfriend hates it because she thinks it's a waste of money. I still need to get the hardwire because it looks pretty ghetto right now with the wire hanging in the car.

Fast Eddy

This all sounds very orchestrated and not true!! Here is a llink to the Car and Driver' article and KLeemann C32K with KLeemann suspention (1680!!!! and other things) does nothing to better C32's suspention C&D says :"The chasis mods virtually match the C32AMG" So what exactly this shocks do and why shopuld one buy them if they only match AMG suspention performance and don't give me that crapp---come and drive for yourself--scince I can also drive AMG suspention and it performs better, Kleemann's setup can only "virtually match" what is hte point? People should stick with Bilsteins or Koni's for half the price.
http://www.caranddriver.com/xp/Caran...3k.xml?&page=2

Fast Eddy

Karl K while C32Kfalls behind C32AMG , their CLK43k outperforms your CLK55, whatcha gonna do? While suspension seems like a boloney, their supercharger sounds impressive.
This speed-sensitive suspention sounds funny though.
Interesting that C&D have nt even mentioned this "awesome, life changing" suspention other then to say that the C32k was outfitted with it. Obviously thay did not see any difference in RIDE! Only two kids in the forum one of whom got it probably for free from Kleemann and onotherone who gets a break on the guy's old suspention have this emotional reaction and what 's with the constant that everyone should buy one? Sounds very fishy! How is fishing down in Florida? I need to catch me a marlin

Mach430

More like Filet Mignon. Perhaps you should pay closer attention, not just to the articles, but to our posts. The Kleemann suspension for the CLK has been in the US for about 2 weeks now. It WAS NOT on the CLK from the Car and Driver article.

I was very happy with the Koni's I had on my car. In fact, I had the EXACT same suspension as you (except for thicker sway bars). I have never said that there is anything wrong with Koni shocks. In fact, I had mentioned several times in this forum how much I liked my suspension. But the Kleemann suspension is far better, and since it is new and many people want perfection for their car, I thought it would be helpful to bring light of them to the forum. If I "...did not see a difference in the ride..." then I would not have been posting how great it is. I think it is both better than my previous setup, and far better than stock (IMO). You have not noticed a difference in the ride because you have never rode in any car equipped with the Kleemann suspension. Please arrange a ride in one of their cars, so that you can realize that your assumptions are completely false.

As for 2 kids in the forum, we speak based on personal knowledge of the shocks' performance. Where do you base your facts? I never road in a car equipped with the Kleemann suspension before mine. Instead, I went off Mr. Vanos's impressions of the E320K (comparing it his Evosport Stage II Suspension). He was able to take turns tight (on a track) at 120 with ease, compared to 110 wide with his setup. I guess you can add him to the "kids" in the forum.

otoupalik

This post is in an attempt to clear up some of these issues.

It seems like Fast Eddie has a problem with two people who actually HAVE ridden in and driven a CLK with the Kleemann suspension. That is very odd. How can someone who has never experienced something have such a strong reaction against it? There is an old phrase - 'the proof is in the pudding' - now if you haven't taste the pudding how can you comment?

The suspension may be the greatest thing since sliced bread, it may not be (I will add mroe on this below) but my point is that it one shoudl not discourage others from trying something when they have no facts to support their stance - like Fast Eddie is doing here.

Information is great, the free sharing of information is better. However, posts like these are simply polution. They do not acheive any rational goal. Your point could have been furthered and recieved better if you would have simply asked questions rather then jumping to assumptions based on nothing but heresay.

Now, on to the suspension. As a race driver, professional racing instructor and a vehicle tuner I can tell you that this suspension is truly wonderful. We have had the e-class on track, comparing it to M5's, 540i's with evosport Stage II, Porsche 996 Turbos, CLK55's and E55's and others and it is really a wonderful performing suspension. It is able to deal with both low speed and high speed conditions, rather then being set-up for one or the other. This suspnsion is far less of a compromise then the Bilstein or Koni setups available.

Is the suspension worth the money Kleemann asks? That is a personal question for each individual to answer. Obviously, Ben (Mach430) thinks so. Yes, he works for evosport and got a discount that way, but we did not recieve any subsidation from Kleemann nor was he prodded by evosport or Kleemann to post his results and opinions.

Hopefully this will to quell some of the conflict on this topic.

Thanks

Brad Otoupalik
evosport
mbworld.org

IDOITBST

i wouldnt take to much of what he says to heart lololol.. i respect mach430 and what he says i dont think he gives anything but the truth...thanks for all your informative posts mach )

CLIFF

LowRydeR

I've ride in C32 AMG before with my friend, I experienced that the Kleemann suspension is much smoother and it could take the corners faster.

Mach430

Thanks guys! This goes for anyone here: If you are/or will be in the Southern CA area, feel free to email me and set up a demonstration. You may want to wait a week for me to get some tires though

Fast Eddy

HI there! Kleemann suspension performs "truly wonderfull" able to "deal with low speed and high speed conditions"? I have no problem with that stament , very good far cry from what these two charactors say here

Fast Eddy

If you want to do something right you better do it yourself, an exprettion for you.
Let's see, do I really have to try Kleemann suspention to know that Lowryders claims that with it that Clk430 felt at 100mph like it was going 40 mph is a BS? As a race driver and professional racing instructor-would you believ that yourself> More stable may be but an overall feeling of 40 at 100?? That is BS without me having to try it if you disagree please say so .

Fast Eddy

statment that 430 is able to take turns at 15mph higher speed then he used to? Please confirm that for me as a race driver and professional race instructor. It may feel more stable in the turn but 15mph ---I'm sure that what it felt like to him---I'd like to actually see the speedo myself and then jump into one with konis and compare. Did he used to take a turn from a local Safeway at 5mph and now he takes it at 20mph or is there a turn on the highway that he used to do at 90mph and now does at 105? I'd like to know.

Fast Eddy

Once again Mr. super moderator -what you said about suspention is reasonable and interesting and makes me want to try it, what the other two were saying in my opinion is a fantasy.
I do believ Mach 430 does not see the difference between Carlssonnn and Brabus wheels and KLeemann. My point was not that the actual wheels were manufactured by someone else but that the Kleemann wheel is a MiM wheel with Kleemann stamped on it. While Carlssonnnn and Brabus have distinctive designs ---hteir own and manufactured by someone versus just taking wheel that is been on the market for a few years and just stamping their name on it.

Fast Eddy

I'm sure Kleemann produsts are exellent, I simply disagreed with the statments here about them by ryders like lowryder.

Mach430

How's the GS430 Shpock?
Coming from someone who had YOUR suspension, I would say that the Kleemann suspension at 95 does feel like yours at 60. As a racing instructor, Otoupalik can tell you that his partner and he were both throroughly impressed with the Kleemann suspension as it took turns at 120 TIGHT AND COMPLETELY STABLE, where the suspension you mention (only modified with thicker sway bars), could ONLY take it at 110 and WIDE. Furthermore, when I was told about the suspension by Mr. V, another race instructor, he speficially said that he felt he could take the turns faster if the car had more power (320K, 320HP). 15 mph faster doesn't seem like a fantasy anymore does it? Please don't include me in any of your fantasies anymore.

RH Alurad makes a wheel that looks like the BBS LMs. Does that mean that BBS simply slaps a label on the wheels and calls them their own? And now, you bite your tongue and say that you "do believe that the Kleemann products are excellent," after bashing them in 2 separate posts you have to resort to doing your best to call me a liar. Do us all a favor, and have someone with a Kleemann car take you for a test drive. Then, even if you were disappointed, for the first time in all of your recent posts, you could actually provide factual information to back up your claims.

Again, I have nothing against the suspension you claim to have. I was more than happy with it when I had it. But let it go!!! You don't have to buy the Kleemann suspension if you don't want to. You don't even have to admit it exists. But please, for all of us, get over yourself.

otoupalik

Fast Eddy,

I do hear where you are coming from and will simply address a couple of your points. I will not address the wheel issue here as that is not part of the original discussion.

Let's see, do I really have to try Kleemann suspention to know that Lowryders claims that with it that Clk430 felt at 100mph like it was going 40 mph is a BS?

Well, exageration is a useful form of expression. No, the car might not have felt like it was doing 40 when at 100, however the point I think was to illustrate that the Kleemann suspension is extremely smooth and does make the car feel much more controlled and stable at high speeds as compared to stock, making the ar seem liek it is going much slower then the indicated speed. It is unfortuante that you could not see the point of this statement rather then takign it so literal. That is a problem with the Internet, it is sometimes impossible to see the intent of statements.

statment that 430 is able to take turns at 15mph higher speed then he used to? It may feel more stable in the turn but 15mph ---I'm sure that what it felt like to him---I'd like to actually see the speedo myself and then jump into one with konis and compare. Did he used to take a turn from a local Safeway at 5mph and now he takes it at 20mph or is there a turn on the highway that he used to do at 90mph and now does at 105? I'd like to know.

I agree that you should do the comparison yourself - that is the only way to really know if your comments here are on point or if Ben is accurate.

There is in fact a turn at Willow Springs raceway where we were able to take the E320 with Kleemann suspension 10 mph+ faster then with an E55 with AMG shocks and H&R springs (even with the considerable power differential). So yes, this claim is very real and absolutely verifiable.

I'm sure Kleemann produsts are exellent, I simply disagreed with the statments here about them by ryders like lowryder.

I have ZERO issue with you nat disagreeing if it were based on fact or opinion based on some type of exposure to the product. However, to post that their statements are BS without really having any fact to support your statement is somewhat pointless. How can you disagree with someone who has actual experience with a product when you do not. For example, if Burger King comes out with a new burger and lowryder eats one and says it is awesome, are you qualified to disagree with him if you have only seen a picture of this new burger? That is what you are doing here!

Please feel free to ask questions and share information. No one ever said everyone had to agree on anything. However, for this board to be truly effective, productive, helpful and fun it is important that people do not simply make assumptions and make statements based on guesses rather then opinion or fact.

Thanks

Brad

Mach430

Thanks again Brad. I apologize if anyone found any of my or other's posts in this thread too harsh, as I have now realized that he is only trying to get a reaction out of myself and others. I'm done with this thread, so if anyone would like to take me up on my offer for a ride, please email/pm me.

Fast Eddy

Thank you for the information

hmrdwn

Salesmen always tend to exaggerate the performance of their products. Some even start to believe their own BS.

I think it would be easier to digest the glowing descriptions of the Kleemann suspension if we knew you weren't trying to PUSH it. How long till the "site announcement" letting us know about a discount on the "amazing, super-great, speed sensitive awesome Kleemann suspension"...

My two cents.

Fast Eddy

if someone makes wheel that looks like BBS LM it's called REPLICA
does BBS actually stamp their name on the wheel you mentioned? If not What are you talking about? I do believe BBS design and MAKE their own wheels, didn't they just built new paint factory and so on so you example i null and void. You talking about someone kopying someones desing all I said Kleemann did not DESIGN their wheel unlike Carlssonnn ar brabus not that I care

otoupalik

I hear what you are saying. However, I have never hid the fact that we sold the stuff. However, our credibility and reputation should stand by the fact that we do NOT 'push' product. You can take my comments for what they are or you can see them as salesy - your call!

Kleemann suspension, or any other Kleemann product except the V6 blowers, will NEVER be discounted. The V6 compressor kits are on special in order to give a break to the owners of those cars and let them experience the kits themsleves.

Thanks

Brad

byip25

wow, im tempted to call in sick to just take a day to test out this holy kleeman suspension now! congrats mach.

B

hmrdwn

"The V6 compressor kits are on special in order to give a break to the owners of those cars and let them experience the kits themsleves."

What about the V8 owners, no break for us? Don't want anybody in a 4-banger to "experience the kits themselves?" Kind of a silly justification for a sale...but whatever.

I have been reading the MBworld forums for over a year. And it seems to me that lately Mach430, nothing personal, has become just a little overly exuberant in his discussions of certain products sold by his new employer and the use of the phrase "Call evosport they can give you a deal." And so forth.

Last year there were a few folks pushing Eurotech Designs all the time. It got old.

Also, I really think you are wasting your time responding to "Tommy boy" His comments should stand for what they are, and do not need to be shouted down, especially by those who have an interest in the sale of the product being discussed.

I mean when has Brabus come online to defend their stuff when someone says its over priced or junk or whatever? If they call your stuff crap or question a claim, that is just someones opinion. We are not children. We can judge right and wrong and make our own assessments.

If every company that sells or installs MB parts or tuning trolled this board to right ever perceived slight, we could never talk about anything. Let the users discuss it. I thought it was an open forum, not a sales seminar.