Paulers

I was getting the p**** code and an intermittant CEL on wife's car. This car is not in the bad gear batch but is an 07. Being lazy I took it to a new dealer in my area. They said there was a recall on the camshaft solenoid wiring and they would replace that first then see if I still had errors. If I still had errors then they would charge a $145 diagnostic fee. They called and said I need to do all 4 solenoids for just north of $700. If not then I would still pay the $145. I oked it but started to think - aren't they already in there for the wiring? Should I just be paying for the solenoids and not the labor? Are they double dipping on labor? I don't think the solenoids could cost 700+. According to the forum the A272 051 01 77 solenoids are around $100. I read the service campaign and it seems like they should just charge for the parts.
http://www.revbase.com/BBBMotor/TSb/...dPdf?id=177389

Plutoe

If you have the story correct ----I would go back with all your information and with management ask for clarification!!

Paulers

I am not sure my story is correct. Just seeing what the forums take on it is.
The dealer recommended motor mounts and many other items that I will take care of myself.

MarcusF

The dealer wants $700. You said $400 of the bill is for parts. So the dealer want's $300 in labor, OR you can pay them $145 for the diagnostics and pick up the car. Basically, you're asking if you should pay $155 - cause you're buying the parts no matter who does it.

I'd pay the $155. Yes, the mechanic may be done in 30 minutes, but still, at this point you're paying $38.75 to install each solenoid. Plus they'll wash your car. When I was a Porsche wrench, if the owner declined the repair, they could pick up their POS in the same filthy condition as it was when it rolled in. Service writers are probably a bit more kind nowadays.

. . . . . . . . but if your car is dirty when you pick it up, you'll know what they said when you weren't around.

Paulers

Thanks MarcusF,

I said that I could get 4 sensors for around $100. I don't know what the Merc dealer cost is on the parts. I was just seeing if anyone was familiar with this recall or "campaign" and what portion of the bill should be charged to me. I did authorize the repair.

MB has a recall on the harness and I wanted to take it in because of this. Also I am aware that there is an improved sensor - I thought perhaps the bad sensor could qualify for warranty work based on something I saw in the campaign literature.

I Have spent some time on the other side of the service desk and that doesn't make it any easier, in fact I think it makes it tougher. I usually get spun up whenever I have a car worked on. Last time was in June 2015 when the transmission conductor plate was changed out. I ended up getting that repair done for less than my authorized indy would have charged. This was with Fletcher Jones in Newport Beach. They were professional and put up with me very well. Now I am dealing with a new dealership closer to home.

When I pick the car up I will go over the bill with the service writer and post the final outcome for the board.

MarcusF

I read it wrong. All four for $100 I'd be inclined to do the work myself. I'm all in favor of dealers staying in business, but not in this case.

I like FJ too. It's a nice facility and they hold demo events from time to time. I hope the new place gives you a discount . . . . . something, anything to make you feel good. My local dealer gives me an alleged discount because the car is over "x-number of years" old. I don't know if the discount is real or BS, but it makes me feel better.

Rudeney

P0012 - DTC 0272 which is definitely Scenario 2:

http://benzbits.com/BalanceShaftTSB.pdf

Replace the camshaft adjuster solenoids. The right bank will take 10 minutes. The left bank is slightly more challenging as you have to remove the oil cooler, which involved draining about a gallon of coolant from the radiator. I'd also go ahead and replace the oil cooler gasket.

Paulers

Ok so I picked it up - Phone quote/bump was $716 for 4 solenoids, which I approved. Upon pick up it was 144 parts + 507.50 Labor for a total of 651.50 due to a military discount they gave me. When I first dropped it off it was for warranty replacement of the harnesses plus 145 to diagnose if the wiring did not fix intermittant CEL.

They performed the cam wiring campaign 2012070002 which covered installing 4 #271-150-01-56-05 Engine wiring harnesses and 4 cable ties. I asked if the campaign covered any labor for my repair since they had to take the top engine cover off for both repairs. I was told no because they already gave me a discount. They told me that they only get .3 hours from MB for this job. I was charged 3.5 hours for the solenoids so $145 an hour.

In hindsight I could have bought and installed the new sensors then taken it in for the harnesses. Even then the harnesses are less than $25 for all four. It is no so bad - they treated me ok. But I will do the other $3300 of recommended repairs myself. It was good for me to calm down and post. If I told any of my friends about my MB problems they would just laugh and say something bad about MB. I like the car but It is giving us more grief than I would expect from a car with just 74k miles.

Paulers

Rodney,


The service paperwork said Found fault code "0064 Continuous camshaft adjustment (Left): Incorrect position of the exhaust camshaft (P0025) stored. I am not sure that I wrote the correct error code in my original post - I was going off my memory and P0015 probably wasn't the code. Thanks for all of your postings on the w209 issues.

Rudeney

Yep - DTC 0064 is on of the Scenario 2 codes which are 0059 (P0014), 0060 (P0015), 0063 (P0024), 0064 P0025), 0271 (P0011), 0272 (P0012), 0275 (P0021), and 0276 (P0022).

The reality is you could have had several of them alternating/intermittently. Glad you got it fixed - this should be permanent.

Paulers

Nope Got it again! --- Incorrect position of the exhaust camshaft (P0025). Pulling the left side myself this time! Hopefully not a gear wear issue - I checked b4 I bought this one to make sure it is not in the affected range.

Rudeney

Nothing in SDS indicates that it's a wear issue - it's always a bad adjuster solenoid. Worn gears, bad adjusters or bad position sensors result in different errors. This makes me wonder, though, if the revised solenoids are having issues, too. You're not the first person to have issues with the revised parts. I think I might swap the solenoid with another cam and see if the error follows the cam or the solenoid. If it follows the solenoid, then replace it. if it stays with the same cam, then maybe it's a wiring harness issue.

Paulers

will do this!

]Left side CLK550 ] side without oil cooler