Preferred OBD II scanner for MB cars
#1
Junior Member
Thread Starter
Preferred OBD II scanner for MB cars
I just got a “check engine” light and would like to ask our community for a recommendation on a scanner to purchase.., what are you folks using and recommend? I’ve seen many, many models in Amazon, Pelicanparts and the likes but can’t figure out what works best for MB cars... Thanks!
#2
MBworld Guru
The "best" is SDS (MBZ's Star Diagnosis System). You can get a Chinese "clone" version of it for around $500 including a used Dell laptop. For a less expensive and less complex option, look at the iCarsfot i980 or MBII, or the Autel MD802 Elite.
#3
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Wiring Harness
Rodney,
I'm looking to replace my stereo head unit on my 2005 CLK 320. Any specific instruction or where I can get a adapter wiring harness. Your assistance is truly appreciated. below is my email
ccie2beizzi@gmail.com
IZZI
I'm looking to replace my stereo head unit on my 2005 CLK 320. Any specific instruction or where I can get a adapter wiring harness. Your assistance is truly appreciated. below is my email
ccie2beizzi@gmail.com
IZZI
#4
MBworld Guru
Rodney,
I'm looking to replace my stereo head unit on my 2005 CLK 320. Any specific instruction or where I can get a adapter wiring harness. Your assistance is truly appreciated. below is my email
ccie2beizzi@gmail.com
IZZI
I'm looking to replace my stereo head unit on my 2005 CLK 320. Any specific instruction or where I can get a adapter wiring harness. Your assistance is truly appreciated. below is my email
ccie2beizzi@gmail.com
IZZI
#5
Junior Member
Hi Rodney:
I was considering the iCarsoft i980 but wondered whether it accesses all of the sub-modules?
My driver's seat in my '09 CLK350 Cabrio won't operate, nor does the Steering Column. The Seat Belt Extender DOES work and my understanding is that's operated from the same module. So the module isn't completely dead. In your experience, would I get useful fault codes from this? These modules are available on Ebay for about $120 but I hate to shoot from the hip.
Bob M.
I was considering the iCarsoft i980 but wondered whether it accesses all of the sub-modules?
My driver's seat in my '09 CLK350 Cabrio won't operate, nor does the Steering Column. The Seat Belt Extender DOES work and my understanding is that's operated from the same module. So the module isn't completely dead. In your experience, would I get useful fault codes from this? These modules are available on Ebay for about $120 but I hate to shoot from the hip.
Bob M.
#6
MBworld Guru
Those all involve different controllers. The steering column module, seat control module, and soft top control module. I'd start by checking fuses 27 and 29 on the cabin panel.
As for the scanner, I have not used the i980, but many on the forums have and it gets good reviews. I think the MBII is slightly more capable and easier to use, but the i980 should do what you want. Another one I hear really good things about is the Autel MD802 Elite - it even works on other cars besides MBZ which might be a bonus.
As for the scanner, I have not used the i980, but many on the forums have and it gets good reviews. I think the MBII is slightly more capable and easier to use, but the i980 should do what you want. Another one I hear really good things about is the Autel MD802 Elite - it even works on other cars besides MBZ which might be a bonus.
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#7
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I don't believe that's true. According to my Service Manual's Schematic, the Steering Wheel Tilt and Driver's Seat Motors are powered from the Driver's Seat Module. They just don't go into a lot of troubleshooting info in the manual. I did however check ALL the fuses on the interior panel and they are OK. It's late tonight, but if you like, I may be able to "save as PDF", the schematic where this is detailed. I would assume you know how to read a schematic. I'll be happy to include it in a subsequent reply.
Bob M.
Bob M.
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#9
MBworld Guru
Bob, you are correct. The steering column adjustment motors are driven by the seat controller, which is powered by fuses 27 and 29. However, the lever on the steering column that activates the motors is connected to the steering column module and sends its signals to the seat controller via the CAN bus. The memory selection and seat adjustment buttons are connected to the driver's door controller and send their signals to the seat controller via the CAN bus. The seat controller would seem to the common culprit here. And yes, this probably needs its own thread.
#10
Junior Member
Latest in the weirdness. Bought a used Driver's Seat Module on Ebay, changed it out, and then the Seat Belt Extender didn't work. About 5 trips later, it started working again. This has to be some sort of communication fault.
I think maybe the "UP" switch on the seat might be flaky. I'm going to do a little probing because it makes sense if the seat isn't down, you don't want it to move.
I think maybe the "UP" switch on the seat might be flaky. I'm going to do a little probing because it makes sense if the seat isn't down, you don't want it to move.
#11
MBworld Guru
When you say "up" do you mean the tilt function for rear seat access? If its not locked down, it will prevent the seat controls, seat extender, and maybe even the steering column adjustment form operating. But you should also get a warning message on the MFD.
#12
Junior Member
Exactly, the tilt function. That was my thought as well, which is why yesterday I checked BOTH switches with my ohmmeter. It appears there's redundancy because they both appear to do the same thing and each is wired to a separate input with a switch symbol by the connector..
I think I might spring for that iCar unit and see if I can peek in there. I thought I should have gotten a message as well. I'm pretty sure if I take it to my MB dealer it will cost me more than the iCar. Then I still won't be smarter or have it for next time. I'm the only one who drives the car, so I'm not in a panic to get it working, but I will conquer this eventually. Thanks for your help.
Bob M.
I think I might spring for that iCar unit and see if I can peek in there. I thought I should have gotten a message as well. I'm pretty sure if I take it to my MB dealer it will cost me more than the iCar. Then I still won't be smarter or have it for next time. I'm the only one who drives the car, so I'm not in a panic to get it working, but I will conquer this eventually. Thanks for your help.
Bob M.
#14
Junior Member
I suppose that would check an intermittent but my ohmmeter confirms the switches are indeed changing state. Regardless, I just plopped down $150 for the iCarsoft-MBII on Flea-Bay. It doesn't specifically say it scans seat modules, but if not, the reviews of their Tech Support suggest they would work with me to find a solution. It's expected Monday the 4th, so I will report back on my findings once I've used it a bit. https://www.ebay.com/itm/301788865638
The word I have from the MB dealer is just to connect their scanner is $100, so I think I'll be money ahead. Not easy trying to support this car on retirement income.
Thanks.
Bob M.
The word I have from the MB dealer is just to connect their scanner is $100, so I think I'll be money ahead. Not easy trying to support this car on retirement income.
Thanks.
Bob M.
#16
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waveterrorist, I didn't write it down when I had it running, so I can't answer your question. All I can say is this is an AWESOME piece of equipment. Rodney, we were both on the right track when we gathered it was the Driver Seat Module at fault. Ironically, the used replacement module from Ebay would have solved the problem, except yours truly didn't seat one of the CAN connectors properly.
The module consistently reported "Communication Fault with ECU". That led me to why I was getting this fault, thus re-seating each of the connectors at the front of the module. Once that was resolved, the module fired right up. Prior to that though, I was able to get into the Driver's Door Module which allowed me to see the State of each switch and see it change whilst operating the window controls. Similarly, connecting to the Steering Wheel Module let me see the in/out and up/down switches. Both of those modules had communication with the ECU. What was interesting was the ability of the Driver's and Passenger's door modules to tell me the "Exit Lamps" were burned out or "open", which they weren't, they were replaced with LEDs and they don't draw enough current to be recognized as working.
All in all a very good learning experience that goes back to the first rule of electrical troubleshooting: "Is it plugged in?" Money well spent, since the next time something goes awry with this bird, I will be able to go right to it..
Thanks.
Bob Metzner
The module consistently reported "Communication Fault with ECU". That led me to why I was getting this fault, thus re-seating each of the connectors at the front of the module. Once that was resolved, the module fired right up. Prior to that though, I was able to get into the Driver's Door Module which allowed me to see the State of each switch and see it change whilst operating the window controls. Similarly, connecting to the Steering Wheel Module let me see the in/out and up/down switches. Both of those modules had communication with the ECU. What was interesting was the ability of the Driver's and Passenger's door modules to tell me the "Exit Lamps" were burned out or "open", which they weren't, they were replaced with LEDs and they don't draw enough current to be recognized as working.
All in all a very good learning experience that goes back to the first rule of electrical troubleshooting: "Is it plugged in?" Money well spent, since the next time something goes awry with this bird, I will be able to go right to it..
Thanks.
Bob Metzner
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#18
Junior Member
Remember up in an earlier post I mentioned there are TWO switches? One senses whether the seat is RAISED for easy entry, the other senses whether the seat back is in driving position.
Just thought you'd be interested.
Bob M.
Just thought you'd be interested.
Bob M.
#20
Junior Member
I haven't personally dug deep enough to know the answer. It's a VERY comprehensive tool and I would imagine iCarsoft would be able to answer it.
I CAN tell you what I have personally seen:
1) The ability to see switches operate on the Door Module:
a) Seat forward, reverse, up, down, seat locking switches when you enter rear seat
b) Hall Effect sensors on the motors themselves to verify they are turning
2) A recalibrate feature on the Throttle Position Sensor to set zero pedal and full pedal
3) A menu to enter the Convertible Top Module which will be handy if ever a switch needs service.
So my educated GUESS would be it's there. The Scanner decodes your VIN number and gives you tools to interrogate the options installed on your car. You can also manually override that since a "dead" module will also seem as an uninstalled module. My car doesn't have Airmatic.
Regards,
Bob Metzner
I CAN tell you what I have personally seen:
1) The ability to see switches operate on the Door Module:
a) Seat forward, reverse, up, down, seat locking switches when you enter rear seat
b) Hall Effect sensors on the motors themselves to verify they are turning
2) A recalibrate feature on the Throttle Position Sensor to set zero pedal and full pedal
3) A menu to enter the Convertible Top Module which will be handy if ever a switch needs service.
So my educated GUESS would be it's there. The Scanner decodes your VIN number and gives you tools to interrogate the options installed on your car. You can also manually override that since a "dead" module will also seem as an uninstalled module. My car doesn't have Airmatic.
Regards,
Bob Metzner
#21
Super Member
I haven't personally dug deep enough to know the answer. It's a VERY comprehensive tool and I would imagine iCarsoft would be able to answer it.
I CAN tell you what I have personally seen:
1) The ability to see switches operate on the Door Module:
a) Seat forward, reverse, up, down, seat locking switches when you enter rear seat
b) Hall Effect sensors on the motors themselves to verify they are turning
2) A recalibrate feature on the Throttle Position Sensor to set zero pedal and full pedal
3) A menu to enter the Convertible Top Module which will be handy if ever a switch needs service.
So my educated GUESS would be it's there. The Scanner decodes your VIN number and gives you tools to interrogate the options installed on your car. You can also manually override that since a "dead" module will also seem as an uninstalled module. My car doesn't have Airmatic.
Regards,
Bob Metzner
I CAN tell you what I have personally seen:
1) The ability to see switches operate on the Door Module:
a) Seat forward, reverse, up, down, seat locking switches when you enter rear seat
b) Hall Effect sensors on the motors themselves to verify they are turning
2) A recalibrate feature on the Throttle Position Sensor to set zero pedal and full pedal
3) A menu to enter the Convertible Top Module which will be handy if ever a switch needs service.
So my educated GUESS would be it's there. The Scanner decodes your VIN number and gives you tools to interrogate the options installed on your car. You can also manually override that since a "dead" module will also seem as an uninstalled module. My car doesn't have Airmatic.
Regards,
Bob Metzner
I appreciate your response
#24
Junior Member
I have the iCarsoft MB II, and it works great. It can be used as a standard OBD2 scanner for any OBD2 vehicle, and can do some extra stuff for Mercedes vehicles. I used it to troubleshoot an ESP issue on my E350, and was able to verify that the steering angle sensor was working fine, and instead that the problem was simply the brake pedal switch. It can't do nearly as much as SDS, but for the price and as a diagnostic tool, it's well worth it IMO.
#25
Senior Member
I haven't personally dug deep enough to know the answer. It's a VERY comprehensive tool and I would imagine iCarsoft would be able to answer it.
I CAN tell you what I have personally seen:
1) The ability to see switches operate on the Door Module:
a) Seat forward, reverse, up, down, seat locking switches when you enter rear seat
b) Hall Effect sensors on the motors themselves to verify they are turning
2) A recalibrate feature on the Throttle Position Sensor to set zero pedal and full pedal
3) A menu to enter the Convertible Top Module which will be handy if ever a switch needs service.
So my educated GUESS would be it's there. The Scanner decodes your VIN number and gives you tools to interrogate the options installed on your car. You can also manually override that since a "dead" module will also seem as an uninstalled module. My car doesn't have Airmatic.
Regards,
Bob Metzner
I CAN tell you what I have personally seen:
1) The ability to see switches operate on the Door Module:
a) Seat forward, reverse, up, down, seat locking switches when you enter rear seat
b) Hall Effect sensors on the motors themselves to verify they are turning
2) A recalibrate feature on the Throttle Position Sensor to set zero pedal and full pedal
3) A menu to enter the Convertible Top Module which will be handy if ever a switch needs service.
So my educated GUESS would be it's there. The Scanner decodes your VIN number and gives you tools to interrogate the options installed on your car. You can also manually override that since a "dead" module will also seem as an uninstalled module. My car doesn't have Airmatic.
Regards,
Bob Metzner