2001 CLK55 vs 2002 stock and 2003 modded M5s:
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2001 CLK55 vs 2002 stock and 2003 modded M5s:
Runs were about 0.4 mile in length. First two are vs a 2003 with Dinan S3 and a tubi cat-back. We ran from both a 15-ish mph roll and again from a dig:
Improviz vs modded E39 M5, roll:
Improviz vs modded E39 M5, dig:
And here are two vids of me vs. a stock 2002 E39 M5, again from about a 15-20 mph roll and then from a dig.
Improviz vs stock E39 M5, roll:
Improviz vs stock E39 M5, dig:
My car is stock, save for the 18" E55 rims w/275s on the rear.
Both guys were super-nice, as was everyone else who was there, and we all had a great time. Unfortunately, the newer AMGs did not fare so well against the newer M5s! (although, in their defense, the M5s were all modded!).
Still, those E60 M5s are really something else up high....sound great, too, like an F1 car. The SC AMG cars also sound just evil, like the ultimate thunderous V8....amazing stuff!
Improviz vs modded E39 M5, roll:
Improviz vs modded E39 M5, dig:
And here are two vids of me vs. a stock 2002 E39 M5, again from about a 15-20 mph roll and then from a dig.
Improviz vs stock E39 M5, roll:
Improviz vs stock E39 M5, dig:
My car is stock, save for the 18" E55 rims w/275s on the rear.
Both guys were super-nice, as was everyone else who was there, and we all had a great time. Unfortunately, the newer AMGs did not fare so well against the newer M5s! (although, in their defense, the M5s were all modded!).
Still, those E60 M5s are really something else up high....sound great, too, like an F1 car. The SC AMG cars also sound just evil, like the ultimate thunderous V8....amazing stuff!
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Such a beautiful thing to see! i wonder what the naysayers at the M5board and Bimmerforums would have to say! Good stuf Impro!
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First off, thanks, guys!
It was kind of tough to say, because the lanes were spaced such that it was a bit difficult to see them, plus I was pretty focused on the driving, but I'd say that the pull came In the first two gears. Once speeds started to rise, the two cars seemed to be pretty evenly matched, although the modded one was definitely faster. They were actually going to run each other at the end, but by then I was seriously sunburned and my friend was ready to head out, so I didn't manage to watch that one! :-(
The point at which the camera was located was just short of the 1/4 mile mark, and there was about another 800' beyond that before we hit the "braking cones", but the problem was that that area was all weeds unless one was right up on the track (i.e., not safe to film there!), so most of the camera action is before the end, making it tough to tell the margins. I would have liked to have had another thousand feet or so to see how they compared up into triple digits, *and* the ability to film down at the end of the run (the perspective sucks once you get beyond a few hundred feet either way of the camera, and my friend didn't zoom in once we went by), but unfortunately the entrance to the airstrip is where it is.
Really, it's probably better to have passengers on board filming it, but my friend's wife would kill him, so that wasn't an option for me!
It was kind of tough to say, because the lanes were spaced such that it was a bit difficult to see them, plus I was pretty focused on the driving, but I'd say that the pull came In the first two gears. Once speeds started to rise, the two cars seemed to be pretty evenly matched, although the modded one was definitely faster. They were actually going to run each other at the end, but by then I was seriously sunburned and my friend was ready to head out, so I didn't manage to watch that one! :-(
The point at which the camera was located was just short of the 1/4 mile mark, and there was about another 800' beyond that before we hit the "braking cones", but the problem was that that area was all weeds unless one was right up on the track (i.e., not safe to film there!), so most of the camera action is before the end, making it tough to tell the margins. I would have liked to have had another thousand feet or so to see how they compared up into triple digits, *and* the ability to film down at the end of the run (the perspective sucks once you get beyond a few hundred feet either way of the camera, and my friend didn't zoom in once we went by), but unfortunately the entrance to the airstrip is where it is.
Really, it's probably better to have passengers on board filming it, but my friend's wife would kill him, so that wasn't an option for me!
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I may have missed this but did you win the races? At the camera point you appear to be ahead but clearly there was still some race left. Also, was this timed (I assume not)? Looks fun.
How was your launch? What RPM were you using to power launch? I would assume around 1800 or so? I installed a RPM shift light for dragging but have not had a chance to use it at the track yet but 1750 or 1800 looks about like the range for not braking loose in some trial runs.
Nice videos. Thanks for providing.
How was your launch? What RPM were you using to power launch? I would assume around 1800 or so? I installed a RPM shift light for dragging but have not had a chance to use it at the track yet but 1750 or 1800 looks about like the range for not braking loose in some trial runs.
Nice videos. Thanks for providing.
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How was your launch? What RPM were you using to power launch? I would assume around 1800 or so? I installed a RPM shift light for dragging but have not had a chance to use it at the track yet but 1750 or 1800 looks about like the range for not braking loose in some trial runs.
Nice videos. Thanks for providing.
Nice videos. Thanks for providing.
I was somewhat conservative as this was on concrete, so I kept it at about 1300 rpm (even on asphalt, I can't go beyond 15-1600 most of the time). To launch, I pulled foot off of brake, waited just a tick for a bit of weight transfer, then a fast squeeze on the throttle. Despite doing this, I still got a fair amount of spin; in one race I was afraid it was going to upshift but it hooked and took off.
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One guy in a dolphin grey E46 w/exhaust (only obvious mod I could spot, but the hood was down!) showed up, along w/a Z8 (possibly an Alpina)....unfortunately, both left without getting any runs in (there was a period where the pace of the runs was agonizingly slow, during which time several folks left, and I came very close to leaving myself--luckily, I didn't, as it was after that that I did these runs! The organizers were informed and made adjustments after that lag to speed things up, which was much appreciated!)
So I only managed to run one of the models I set out to run. In addition to the two above, I wanted to run a few of the non-turbo Carreras (not the GT!) and the SLK55....maybe next time!
But in my experience the M5s have always been faster than the M3s (especially up high).
The organizers were informed and made adjustments after that lag to speed things up, which was much appreciated!)So I only managed to run one of the models I set out to run. In addition to the two above, I wanted to run a few of the non-turbo Carreras (not the GT!
) and the SLK55....maybe next time!But in my experience the M5s have always been faster than the M3s (especially up high).
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Ah, well....I'll tell you this: the guys I ran against were about as far from that crud as could be. Nice guys.
most m5s don't really have 400 horses, but more like 360. m5 owners themseves admit to this.
if u just look at the numbers, the cars are pretty close.
clk55 - weighs 3500, 342hp, 376tq
m5- weigh 4000, 400hp(more like 360
), 360tqso its a drivers race - good going Improviz
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One guy in a dolphin grey E46 w/exhaust (only obvious mod I could spot, but the hood was down!) showed up, along w/a Z8 (possibly an Alpina)....unfortunately, both left without getting any runs in
So I only managed to run one of the models I set out to run. In addition to the two above, I wanted to run a few of the non-turbo Carreras (not the GT!) and the SLK55....maybe next time!
But in my experience the M5s have always been faster than the M3s (especially up high).
So I only managed to run one of the models I set out to run. In addition to the two above, I wanted to run a few of the non-turbo Carreras (not the GT!
) and the SLK55....maybe next time!But in my experience the M5s have always been faster than the M3s (especially up high).
They are decently quick off the line but once things get rolling it's good bye to the M3. (Can't speak for the Z8 but that would have been interesting.) This was also my experience against modded M3's and two modded V8 RS4's which were also using race gas while I was on pump gas in the mile! Just pulled and pulled on them up top! A thing of beaty our M113's with slush boxes vs these little luxury sport racers. Again good stuff Impro! You and Chappy have some fine examples(W208) as I'm sure others do as well.
P.S. I will say this,a modded SRT8(300C,Charger,Magnum) are very formidable opponents! Especially uptop. NYC_SRT8 and I will be going to Englishtown this week . Stock he ran a 12.7 @110mph at E-town just this past wknd stck. This new one he just purchased seems like a freak he says. Faster than the one he had b4 that he got rid of. So I guess I have my hands full. I'm hoping to run at least as well as PTE whose modded CLK55 with pretty much the same mods I have ,other than pullies and D.R's, did a best of 12.4 @114mph at the track either in Georgia or FLA in his heavier W209.
Just thank Gustav for that! Only giving him a taste of his own medicine. By the way,where is he?
I'm surprised we have not heard his side yet!
yeah, i seen it too.
most m5s don't really have 400 horses, but more like 360. m5 owners themseves admit to this.
if u just look at the numbers, the cars are pretty close.
clk55 - weighs 3500, 342hp, 376tq
m5- weigh 4000, 400hp(more like 360 ), 360tq
so its a drivers race - good going Improviz
most m5s don't really have 400 horses, but more like 360. m5 owners themseves admit to this.
if u just look at the numbers, the cars are pretty close.
clk55 - weighs 3500, 342hp, 376tq
m5- weigh 4000, 400hp(more like 360
), 360tqso its a drivers race - good going Improviz
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Correction:
The owner of the silver M5 posted in the thread on M5board started by our resident troublemaker, and it turns out that I was wrong about his car; I had, based upon Darren's post w/the list of cars, mistakenly assumed that his car was the 2003 S3 w/exhaust, since a) there were only two E39s that showed up; b) I knew the other one was stock; c) this guy told me his had a Dinan chip and exhaust...so, by process of elimination, I managed to get it totally wrong!
Anyway, turns out that his car is a 2002, with Dinan S1 software and a Dinan exhaust (not that it makes any difference practically speaking, but hey, what can I say? I'm ****! ), so I've updated the videos' info to reflect this. Too late to edit the title of the thread, unfortunately!
and it turns out that I was wrong about his car; I had, based upon Darren's post w/the list of cars, mistakenly assumed that his car was the 2003 S3 w/exhaust, since a) there were only two E39s that showed up; b) I knew the other one was stock; c) this guy told me his had a Dinan chip and exhaust...so, by process of elimination, I managed to get it totally wrong! Anyway, turns out that his car is a 2002, with Dinan S1 software and a Dinan exhaust (not that it makes any difference practically speaking, but hey, what can I say? I'm ****!
), so I've updated the videos' info to reflect this. Too late to edit the title of the thread, unfortunately!
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Could not let the opportunity pass me by!
The amazing thing was some of the biased comments, even though the race was obvious. But I guess the S3 thingy created quite a stirr as well. Technically the M5 was modded with Dinan Stg3 SW,so it was just a matter of verbage.
Guys gotta realize ,sometimes you lose some and sometimes you win some. They don't wanna hear that based on the belief that the M5 to some of those gentlemen over there is an over all superior car than our beloved AMG's. Back when the CLK55 was first made it was the fastest AMG built for 3 yrs till the new E55 came out in 2k3.
Again ,congrats on the runs and the Kills Impro.
By the way they still have alot of great guys over there. Especially ,Thrillos5 and Sergio(E39 m5 owners are two I know personnally). Thrillos likes to take his M5 to E-town and hopefully he will this fri. I'm hoping my MB will be ready ,while I wait on the rims to come back from MB.
We will record the runs.I'm still surprised there has been no comment by Gustav!
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Actually the owner said it was S1 sw, but doesn't really matter.....the S3 sw is optimized for a Dinan intake/MAF, which afaik he doesn't have, so it wouldn't matter. The more important mod would be that exhaust, which should pick him up some hp and help more up high, which, based upon the results, it does. Runs w/him were definitely tighter.
I also found out that he ran the black M5 after I left, and won.
Yeah, there are some great BMW owners out there (my wife, for one! ), and the guys at this event, while clearly on the BMW side of the fence enthusiasm-wise, were to a man really nice guys, and the two guys I ran were great sports on top of that. Some of these forum-rats can be weenies sometimes, but in general the guys (and one gal in an M Roadster, who could *drive*!) that I've run have been pretty friendly.
Of course, inevitably you encounter the occasional jerk, but these tend to be the people in the non-M cars, who probably bought their car based solely upon marketing hype, aren't very knowledgeable about cars, and think they can mop up the road with anything....and, truth be known, those are the ones that it is the most fun to whoop up on....occasionally I run into M-car owners like this, but most of 'em are cool.
Anyway, I'm looking forward to the next event. Had a great time meeting eveyone out there, especially Billy and Mike....great guys, really enjoyed chatting with 'em.
Runs w/him were definitely tighter.I also found out that he ran the black M5 after I left, and won.
Yeah, there are some great BMW owners out there (my wife, for one!
), and the guys at this event, while clearly on the BMW side of the fence enthusiasm-wise, were to a man really nice guys, and the two guys I ran were great sports on top of that. Some of these forum-rats can be weenies sometimes, but in general the guys (and one gal in an M Roadster, who could *drive*!) that I've run have been pretty friendly. Of course, inevitably you encounter the occasional jerk, but these tend to be the people in the non-M cars, who probably bought their car based solely upon marketing hype, aren't very knowledgeable about cars, and think they can mop up the road with anything....and, truth be known, those are the ones that it is the most fun to whoop up on....occasionally I run into M-car owners like this, but most of 'em are cool.
Anyway, I'm looking forward to the next event. Had a great time meeting eveyone out there, especially Billy and Mike....great guys, really enjoyed chatting with 'em.
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)But I haven't run any other CLK55s, so I couldn't say whether or not I'm stronger than the norm....for all I know it'd dyno right at 290!
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Dyno your car and see what #'s you put out. Never doubt the potential of the CLK55's unless you've been loosing regularly to M5's.
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i guess i was just really impressed w/ a trap of 109.
