HPS versus Kleeman--Who wins?
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Come on now man, why were you wrong? I realize you don't want to put up with all the Kleemann biased drones but varying opinions and alternatives are what make message boards and life great.
What would life be like if we always only have one choice?
What would life be like if we always only have one choice?
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Originally posted by AolHoward
what happened, all your previous post has been REMOVED ??
still waiting for your dyno result on the HPS
what happened, all your previous post has been REMOVED ??
still waiting for your dyno result on the HPS
Tim
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Timster....
You don't have to be sorry and you don't have to say you were wrong. The important thing is you got the horsepower gain you wanted for what you wanted to spend. The technical aspects or the efficiencies of one system over another really don't matter that much as long as the dollar cost per horsepower is about the same.
You were the first on this forum to do a 55 and I'm sure we would all like to hear your impressions.
Enjoy trouble free driving since the beefed-up AMG internals will be able to handle the additional load.
You were the first on this forum to do a 55 and I'm sure we would all like to hear your impressions.
Enjoy trouble free driving since the beefed-up AMG internals will be able to handle the additional load.
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Originally posted by Timster
There won't be one! Sorry, at this time I can say nothing.
Tim
There won't be one! Sorry, at this time I can say nothing.
Tim
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Re: Timster....
Originally posted by ima55r2
You don't have to be sorry and you don't have to say you were wrong. The important thing is you got the horsepower gain you wanted for what you wanted to spend. The technical aspects or the efficiencies of one system over another really don't matter that much as long as the dollar cost per horsepower is about the same.
You were the first on this forum to do a 55 and I'm sure we would all like to hear your impressions.
Enjoy trouble free driving since the beefed-up AMG internals will be able to handle the additional load.
You don't have to be sorry and you don't have to say you were wrong. The important thing is you got the horsepower gain you wanted for what you wanted to spend. The technical aspects or the efficiencies of one system over another really don't matter that much as long as the dollar cost per horsepower is about the same.
You were the first on this forum to do a 55 and I'm sure we would all like to hear your impressions.
Enjoy trouble free driving since the beefed-up AMG internals will be able to handle the additional load.
Good luck Tim.
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Not wanting to throw more gasoline on the fire but what about Renntech? Their system supposedly produces 360HP and 360 FT/LB torque at the rear wheels. No one is saying what HP and torgue can be expected at the rear wheels using the Kleemann or the HPS SC. It is my understanding the HP at the rear heel is the true measurement of increased performance from any mods made to the engine.
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Very cool!
Now how do we make those numbers larger, without loosing drivability?
Does Kleemann have a Head and Cam package that doesn’t have a noticeable cam lope?
Tim
Now how do we make those numbers larger, without loosing drivability?
Does Kleemann have a Head and Cam package that doesn’t have a noticeable cam lope?
Tim
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A "breathing" package will increase these numbers with no adverse effect on driveability. MKB offers cams/headers/downpipes/cats with their HYPERTUNE package. Sleestack had this on his CLK430 and it added approx 50HP at t he rear wheels over a standard approach. Currently we do not have this type of package- but we can solve some of these pumping issues if you like.
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Originally posted by KLEEMANN
A "breathing" package will increase these numbers with no adverse effect on driveability. MKB offers cams/headers/downpipes/cats with their HYPERTUNE package. Sleestack had this on his CLK430 and it added approx 50HP at t he rear wheels over a standard approach. Currently we do not have this type of package- but we can solve some of these pumping issues if you like.
A "breathing" package will increase these numbers with no adverse effect on driveability. MKB offers cams/headers/downpipes/cats with their HYPERTUNE package. Sleestack had this on his CLK430 and it added approx 50HP at t he rear wheels over a standard approach. Currently we do not have this type of package- but we can solve some of these pumping issues if you like.
Is this porting and polishing the Throttle body, Manifold, Heads, and Headers?
Or is it a less restrictive filter and air tubing?
Can you expand on this "Breathing" package?
Maybe we should start a new thread this one is too long.
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I was making a loose reference to MKB's "free breathing" tag line- The HYPERTUNE system (cams,valves,springs,downpipes,cats) at $17,000. It worked well in Sleestacks car for sure.
I am of the firm belief that cams will bring you next to nothing for a forced induction engine- cam TIMING on the other hand may prove beneficial. There is large restriction in the ex system, particularly the CATS. Legality for you CA residents is questionable.
As this is as much $$ as the SC system I dont see its value as a "as long as you are doing it" process.
You will soon find out that TRACTION will be the major issue for you putting the power to the pavement. CLK55's with our SC make a fine black vapour of any tire- more power would just mean a bigger cloud.
I am of the firm belief that cams will bring you next to nothing for a forced induction engine- cam TIMING on the other hand may prove beneficial. There is large restriction in the ex system, particularly the CATS. Legality for you CA residents is questionable.
As this is as much $$ as the SC system I dont see its value as a "as long as you are doing it" process.
You will soon find out that TRACTION will be the major issue for you putting the power to the pavement. CLK55's with our SC make a fine black vapour of any tire- more power would just mean a bigger cloud.
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Thanks for clarifying the Breathing Package.
I’m not interested in breaking open the engine. I’ve done it before and was disappointed in the drivability. The CLK55 is too nice of a car to make Hot Rod out of it.
I’m looking for a strong smooth power band. And that’s I believe I will have with the Kleemann system. Power when I want it and normal easy power when I don’t need it.
As for vaporizing my tires, I don’t want to leave any evidence.
Tim
I’m not interested in breaking open the engine. I’ve done it before and was disappointed in the drivability. The CLK55 is too nice of a car to make Hot Rod out of it.
I’m looking for a strong smooth power band. And that’s I believe I will have with the Kleemann system. Power when I want it and normal easy power when I don’t need it.
As for vaporizing my tires, I don’t want to leave any evidence.
Tim
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Timster,
As long as you get the right people to do it, your car won't end up being a hot rod. Even with the MKB kit (cams, headers, cats)and Kleemann SC, my car drove extremely smooth, just with a deeper growl than most Mercedes. You should drive your Kleemann 55 for a bit. If it isn't enough, you can always check out my car when Evosport is done with it. Personally, I think you'll probably be more than satisfied with the Kleemann kit and you'll want to focus on improving the handling of the W208.
As long as you get the right people to do it, your car won't end up being a hot rod. Even with the MKB kit (cams, headers, cats)and Kleemann SC, my car drove extremely smooth, just with a deeper growl than most Mercedes. You should drive your Kleemann 55 for a bit. If it isn't enough, you can always check out my car when Evosport is done with it. Personally, I think you'll probably be more than satisfied with the Kleemann kit and you'll want to focus on improving the handling of the W208.
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Originally posted by Sleestack
Timster,
As long as you get the right people to do it, your car won't end up being a hot rod. Even with the MKB kit (cams, headers, cats)and Kleemann SC, my car drove extremely smooth, just with a deeper growl than most Mercedes. You should drive your Kleemann 55 for a bit. If it isn't enough, you can always check out my car when Evosport is done with it. Personally, I think you'll probably be more than satisfied with the Kleemann kit and you'll want to focus on improving the handling of the W208.
Timster,
As long as you get the right people to do it, your car won't end up being a hot rod. Even with the MKB kit (cams, headers, cats)and Kleemann SC, my car drove extremely smooth, just with a deeper growl than most Mercedes. You should drive your Kleemann 55 for a bit. If it isn't enough, you can always check out my car when Evosport is done with it. Personally, I think you'll probably be more than satisfied with the Kleemann kit and you'll want to focus on improving the handling of the W208.
I will need to drive the car for a while before I get use to the additional power.
As for the suspension I think I'm going to have everything that is available? I'm adding the Kleemann Speed Sensitive suspension
It will be a totally different car when I get it back.
How long before your car is ready?
Tim
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My car has bee in for 6 months now... I'd say another 2 months. I had the Kleemann shocks .... they work great, however, I'm unergoing more extreme suspension upgrades (i.e. custom coilovers, underbody braces, chromaly rollcage, etc.) I think you will be extremely happy with the Kleemann upgrades. My car is in its 3rd stage (and most radical stage) of tuning... trust me, I can't wait either.
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Sounds awesome.
If your still in the bay area when I get my car back. I'm going to do another Dyno (Santa Clara) just for fun. Let me know if you want to see the dyno run.
Tim
If your still in the bay area when I get my car back. I'm going to do another Dyno (Santa Clara) just for fun. Let me know if you want to see the dyno run.
Tim
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Originally posted by Timster
Sounds awesome.
If your still in the bay area when I get my car back. I'm going to do another Dyno (Santa Clara) just for fun. Let me know if you want to see the dyno run.
Tim
Sounds awesome.
If your still in the bay area when I get my car back. I'm going to do another Dyno (Santa Clara) just for fun. Let me know if you want to see the dyno run.
Tim
