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I guarantee you there is an 11 second W208 parked 1 mile from me at the moment. Trouble is putting the power down....he's already got the Quaife and running 275s in the rear, but just spins when the go-pedal is used.
Lately, I've been more interested in seat time on road courses than laying down 1/4 mile times - but both are fun.
Lately, I've been more interested in seat time on road courses than laying down 1/4 mile times - but both are fun.
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Your getting away with it by turning your 55K y-spitter to mate with your mass air flow meter which is sitting on a 90 degree adapter to your throttle body.
No offence, I know it looks cool, but yours has a lot of turns to install a lousey flowing setup (may flow enough to keep your Kleemann setup happy although not the best). They sit on top of the valve covers and engine to make things as hot and restrictive as possible. I have it on my E55K and hate it, but the E has no room for what I did to the CLK's setup although I keep thinking about how to ditch it as well.
.My setup wasn't finished in the picture, It was my first prototype. What's there now is a free flowing 90 mm i.d. maf, 75 mm i.d. thick walled tubing setup thats smoooottth, no restrictive screens, no heat transfer, doesn't help hold heat at the supercharger/manifold, has the mildest turns possible, and inhales all the cold air it wants in a rubber sealed to the hood enclosure in which I NEVER even hear the S.C. The only sound you hear is the tires screeching. It's stealthy and it's bite is worse than it's bark.
Ditch the E55K boxes and go back to the Kleemann single tube setup and then ram air that box if your looking for improvement, you have the room. . My 2 cents,
Rich
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I have a mass air flow meter and the 55K motor does not. The AMG Kompressor has the throttle up on top, Kleemann is below. None of the factory tubes will work even with modification, so what you see is ALL hand fabbed.
Your getting away with it by turning your 55K y-spitter to mate with your mass air flow meter which is sitting on a 90 degree adapter to your throttle body.
No offence, I know it looks cool, but yours has a lot of turns to install a lousey flowing setup (may flow enough to keep your Kleemann setup happy although not the best). They sit on top of the valve covers and engine to make things as hot and restrictive as possible. I have it on my E55K and hate it, but the E has no room for what I did to the CLK's setup although I keep thinking about how to ditch it as well..
My setup wasn't finished in the picture, It was my first prototype. What's there now is a free flowing 90 mm i.d. maf, 75 mm i.d. thick walled tubing setup thats smoooottth, no restrictive screens, no heat transfer, doesn't help hold heat at the supercharger/manifold, has the mildest turns possible, and inhales all the cold air it wants in a rubber sealed to the hood enclosure in which I NEVER even hear the S.C. The only sound you hear is the tires screeching. It's stealthy and it's bite is worse than it's bark.
Ditch the E55K boxes and go back to the Kleemann single tube setup and then ram air that box if your looking for improvement, you have the room. . My 2 cents,
Rich
Your getting away with it by turning your 55K y-spitter to mate with your mass air flow meter which is sitting on a 90 degree adapter to your throttle body.
No offence, I know it looks cool, but yours has a lot of turns to install a lousey flowing setup (may flow enough to keep your Kleemann setup happy although not the best). They sit on top of the valve covers and engine to make things as hot and restrictive as possible. I have it on my E55K and hate it, but the E has no room for what I did to the CLK's setup although I keep thinking about how to ditch it as well.
.My setup wasn't finished in the picture, It was my first prototype. What's there now is a free flowing 90 mm i.d. maf, 75 mm i.d. thick walled tubing setup thats smoooottth, no restrictive screens, no heat transfer, doesn't help hold heat at the supercharger/manifold, has the mildest turns possible, and inhales all the cold air it wants in a rubber sealed to the hood enclosure in which I NEVER even hear the S.C. The only sound you hear is the tires screeching. It's stealthy and it's bite is worse than it's bark.
Ditch the E55K boxes and go back to the Kleemann single tube setup and then ram air that box if your looking for improvement, you have the room. . My 2 cents,
Rich
Thanx Rich!
AMG has got to be the only Marque with our original retarded setup. The only AMG that has a proper setup is the SLR becaue it's manifold gets fed ram air from the front like a Vette.
The setup you recommend is basically the same theory BMW,Audi,Lexus,and other marques use. Makes me woder what the hell is on the minds of the AMG engineers sometimes. Especially when it comes to our exh manifolds as well. Garbage compared to BMW"M",Audi and their V8's,Dodge/Chrysler and their SRT8's. All these marque's come factory with "REAL" headers.
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Gotta say it made a big difference on my car compared to the AMG setup! Thanx Rich!
AMG has got to be the only Marque with our original retarded setup. The only AMG that has a proper setup is the SLR becaue it's manifold gets fed ram air from the front like a Vette.
The setup you recommend is basically the same theory BMW,Audi,Lexus,and other marques use. Makes me woder what the hell is on the minds of the AMG engineers sometimes. Especially when it comes to our exh manifolds as well. Garbage compared to BMW"M",Audi and their V8's,Dodge/Chrysler and their SRT8's. All these marque's come factory with "REAL" headers.
Thanx Rich!AMG has got to be the only Marque with our original retarded setup. The only AMG that has a proper setup is the SLR becaue it's manifold gets fed ram air from the front like a Vette.
The setup you recommend is basically the same theory BMW,Audi,Lexus,and other marques use. Makes me woder what the hell is on the minds of the AMG engineers sometimes. Especially when it comes to our exh manifolds as well. Garbage compared to BMW"M",Audi and their V8's,Dodge/Chrysler and their SRT8's. All these marque's come factory with "REAL" headers.
Now what your doing with the dual ram air hoses, that can't help but worked, just watch out for water and cigarette butt ingestion. Both can damage your car, the later is a good reason for a fire extiguisher.
Mercedes knows how to make headers, they just have never took our market that seriously. The m117's were available (performance option, not on every car) in europe with cast iron headers (basically a tri Y design with 4 downpipes), which made around 20 horsepower with just these.
Back on the E55K boxes, the restiction starts right at the inlets where the box is so thin a profile that the air filter is partially blocking and disturbing air entry into the box.
The Y-splitter is another issue, the air flow from each side collides with each other at almost a 180 degree angle. So what I've done is superior flowing to this and the normal tub I suggest.
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I have a mass air flow meter and the 55K motor does not. The AMG Kompressor has the throttle up on top, Kleemann is below. None of the factory tubes will work even with modification, so what you see is ALL hand fabbed.
Your getting away with it by turning your 55K y-spitter to mate with your mass air flow meter which is sitting on a 90 degree adapter to your throttle body.
No offence, I know it looks cool, but yours has a lot of turns to install a lousey flowing setup (may flow enough to keep your Kleemann setup happy although not the best). They sit on top of the valve covers and engine to make things as hot and restrictive as possible. I have it on my E55K and hate it, but the E has no room for what I did to the CLK's setup although I keep thinking about how to ditch it as well..
My setup wasn't finished in the picture, It was my first prototype. What's there now is a free flowing 90 mm i.d. maf, 75 mm i.d. thick walled tubing setup thats smoooottth, no restrictive screens, no heat transfer, doesn't help hold heat at the supercharger/manifold, has the mildest turns possible, and inhales all the cold air it wants in a rubber sealed to the hood enclosure in which I NEVER even hear the S.C. The only sound you hear is the tires screeching. It's stealthy and it's bite is worse than it's bark.
Ditch the E55K boxes and go back to the Kleemann single tube setup and then ram air that box if your looking for improvement, you have the room. . My 2 cents,
Rich
Your getting away with it by turning your 55K y-spitter to mate with your mass air flow meter which is sitting on a 90 degree adapter to your throttle body.
No offence, I know it looks cool, but yours has a lot of turns to install a lousey flowing setup (may flow enough to keep your Kleemann setup happy although not the best). They sit on top of the valve covers and engine to make things as hot and restrictive as possible. I have it on my E55K and hate it, but the E has no room for what I did to the CLK's setup although I keep thinking about how to ditch it as well.
.My setup wasn't finished in the picture, It was my first prototype. What's there now is a free flowing 90 mm i.d. maf, 75 mm i.d. thick walled tubing setup thats smoooottth, no restrictive screens, no heat transfer, doesn't help hold heat at the supercharger/manifold, has the mildest turns possible, and inhales all the cold air it wants in a rubber sealed to the hood enclosure in which I NEVER even hear the S.C. The only sound you hear is the tires screeching. It's stealthy and it's bite is worse than it's bark.
Ditch the E55K boxes and go back to the Kleemann single tube setup and then ram air that box if your looking for improvement, you have the room. . My 2 cents,
Rich
Do you sell your setup? I no longer have my stock setup. Any idea on how much power you gained by going that route? I'm gonna need more air with the extra boost I'll keep the 55k setup for shows. The air inlets at the front of the car are sooo tiny and are blocked by the hood. Where do you get cool air hitting the filter without risking water geting into it? Thanks again, your knowledge is very helpful
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Thanks Rich Do you sell your setup? I no longer have my stock setup. Any idea on how much power you gained by going that route? I'm gonna need more air with the extra boost I'll keep the 55k setup for shows. The air inlets at the front of the car are sooo tiny and are blocked by the hood. Where do you get cool air hitting the filter without risking water geting into it? Thanks again, your knowledge is very helpful
Do you sell your setup? I no longer have my stock setup. Any idea on how much power you gained by going that route? I'm gonna need more air with the extra boost I'll keep the 55k setup for shows. The air inlets at the front of the car are sooo tiny and are blocked by the hood. Where do you get cool air hitting the filter without risking water geting into it? Thanks again, your knowledge is very helpful
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Thanks Rich Do you sell your setup? I no longer have my stock setup. Any idea on how much power you gained by going that route? I'm gonna need more air with the extra boost I'll keep the 55k setup for shows. The air inlets at the front of the car are sooo tiny and are blocked by the hood. Where do you get cool air hitting the filter without risking water geting into it? Thanks again, your knowledge is very helpful
Do you sell your setup? I no longer have my stock setup. Any idea on how much power you gained by going that route? I'm gonna need more air with the extra boost I'll keep the 55k setup for shows. The air inlets at the front of the car are sooo tiny and are blocked by the hood. Where do you get cool air hitting the filter without risking water geting into it? Thanks again, your knowledge is very helpfulRich has recommended this setup to me and I love it!
I enhanced it even more by running hoses to the front of the box where I had to cut it open to receive the two 3" diameter hoses hence my ram air setup.
I also thermotech'd the hose and the box. I will post pics of everything tomorrow. Car has plenty of tq, especially midrange and in the higher RPM's. The faster the car is driven,the more you experience the effects of the ram air setup with this CLK320 setup.
I gave you all the info b4 but u never replied.
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I don't drive the car in heavy or light rain. So I'm not too worried.
Rich has recommended this setup to me and I love it!
I enhanced it even more by running hoses to the front of the box where I had to cut it open to receive the two 3" diameter hoses hence my ram air setup. I also thermotech'd the hose and the box. I will post pics of everything tomorrow.
Car has plenty of tq, especially midrange and in the higher RPM's. The faster the car is driven,the more you experience the effects of the ram air setup with this CLK320 setup.
I gave you all the info b4 but u never replied.
Rich has recommended this setup to me and I love it!
I enhanced it even more by running hoses to the front of the box where I had to cut it open to receive the two 3" diameter hoses hence my ram air setup.
I also thermotech'd the hose and the box. I will post pics of everything tomorrow. Car has plenty of tq, especially midrange and in the higher RPM's. The faster the car is driven,the more you experience the effects of the ram air setup with this CLK320 setup.
I gave you all the info b4 but u never replied.
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I know you gave me the info before Carl but I'm a lazy bum. I dont drive my car in teh rain but once in a while a random shower will happen while I'm driving and I REALLY dont want my engine to be waterlocked because of a few hp. Right now I have what I think is the secondary air injection pump located where the CLK320 box would go so I need to figure out where to relocate it. I'll just ask Cory where they usually put it. Do you have any before/after dynos?
Next, you can place the air injection pump anywhere you need by extending the wires and hose. There is room in both front corners under the frame. Usually on a Kleemann installs, it is relocated to the left front behind the fog lamp, the factory S/C cars have it there already. Enough hose and wire and you could place it in the rear of the car if you needed to.
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Yes, Ahmad....I experienced this on several occasions usually at speeds above 60. Below that speed, I had no problems kicking the tail out when wanted. Throttle-induced oversteer with 376 TQ out back makes mincemeat of the 265s holding on for dear life. Better than sex! 
The stock brakes performed fabulously...not even a hint of fade, but I don't run more than 6-7 laps at a time since the street tires (Toyo T1Rs) get greasy after 4-5 laps. Hitting the binders hard does force the front end to nose dive significantly....how much do the KW V2s help with this issue?
BTW, the CL65 Kleemann doesn't lean a bit with that sweet active suspension. The Black Series brakes are reminiscent of the SLRs when pushed to the performance limits - truly amazing!
The stock brakes performed fabulously...not even a hint of fade, but I don't run more than 6-7 laps at a time since the street tires (Toyo T1Rs) get greasy after 4-5 laps. Hitting the binders hard does force the front end to nose dive significantly....how much do the KW V2s help with this issue?
BTW, the CL65 Kleemann doesn't lean a bit with that sweet active suspension. The Black Series brakes are reminiscent of the SLRs when pushed to the performance limits - truly amazing!
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Bro,do you think after I spent all this loot to buy and put this 5.5L in my car that I never thought about water entering the intake.
Bro you've got nothing to worry about. I have the same setup on my Talon. It's highly unlikely that you'll get enuff water sucked into the intake to hydrolock your motor unless you get plenty of floods down there in Md. Then you'll have something to worry about.
if it rains I just don't drive the car. When it does happen to rain,there is not enuff rain water to travel all the way up there unless I'm at WOT and even still I'm not worried. the filter will definitely trap most of it.
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Chappy- I cant really give you feedback on the difference between the suspensions on the track. I never tracked the car with stock suspension. I am going to Summit Point again on April 7th with MBCA but am a little weary because I just got the whole front end repainted!!!
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It ain't pretty with the heat wrapping,but it all works beautifully!
Excuse the motor it needs some serious detailing coming next week.
Aint gonna win no stinkin car contest but will make the car run hard all around especially in the 1/4 or on a highway run.
PS the tube more so on the fender ide runs to the hole where the foglight ued to be. That area has a BSR duct fitted there with the 3" hose attatched and then it runs into the CLK air box. The other hose goes into the box but runs through the hole on the passengers side where the stck intake tube use to be. This is definitely the side that I'd like to improve, but you can still air the motor suck air in very loud throught his hose compared to the garbage intake tube that used to be there.
Excuse the motor it needs some serious detailing coming next week.
Aint gonna win no stinkin car contest but will make the car run hard all around especially in the 1/4 or on a highway run.PS the tube more so on the fender ide runs to the hole where the foglight ued to be. That area has a BSR duct fitted there with the 3" hose attatched and then it runs into the CLK air box. The other hose goes into the box but runs through the hole on the passengers side where the stck intake tube use to be. This is definitely the side that I'd like to improve, but you can still air the motor suck air in very loud throught his hose compared to the garbage intake tube that used to be there.
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