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2001 CLK 55 AMG.......... 2001 Corvette Z06.........
I didn't mean to imply the chassis is no good. On the contrary, the car itself is a great in regards to handling.
Just implying the engine has no real aftermarket. Custom work can be risky not only with unexpected failures but vendors providing inferior products at a high price just to cover the R&D which is the feedback I am getting from the kleeman cams.
Just implying the engine has no real aftermarket. Custom work can be risky not only with unexpected failures but vendors providing inferior products at a high price just to cover the R&D which is the feedback I am getting from the kleeman cams.
I hear you... Most people claim to get more power at higher rpm, I'm assuming my exhaust setup is too restrictive which is why I'm not feeling it any increase. Actually I'm down in power right now but hopefully with time I'll get it right
I didn't mean to imply the chassis is no good. On the contrary, the car itself is a great in regards to handling.
Just implying the engine has no real aftermarket. Custom work can be risky not only with unexpected failures but vendors providing inferior products at a high price just to cover the R&D which is the feedback I am getting from the kleeman cams.
Just implying the engine has no real aftermarket. Custom work can be risky not only with unexpected failures but vendors providing inferior products at a high price just to cover the R&D which is the feedback I am getting from the kleeman cams.
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Quant I could have told you that the kleeman cams were a waste of time even if you do a full exhaust like I have. I sold them damn things to someone with a E55k and never looked back. I love the custom tune on my car which I noticed right away. The exhaust mods were noticeable right away as well.
You will be better off going with stock cams from a w209 and if you want even more power get some head work done and a tune. The only other thing would be to sc the car like Blackbenzz did.
PS you saw how my car ran against that stage 3 Audi S4
You will be better off going with stock cams from a w209 and if you want even more power get some head work done and a tune. The only other thing would be to sc the car like Blackbenzz did.
PS you saw how my car ran against that stage 3 Audi S4
Last edited by ProjectC55; Dec 29, 2016 at 06:11 AM.
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i used them twice years ago, on (5.0l's & 5.4l's), they are brilliant profile, that of course depend to the custom tune for differ cam profile angle..!
i know many friends, with fully satisfied about them,
don't think Kleemann will makes & provides useless parts,,
fit them properly with perfect tune are the KEY..!!!?!!!
;ZAYED;
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Can you prove how they're a WASTE OF TIME..?!?!?,
i used them twice years ago, on (5.0l's & 5.4l's), they are brilliant profile, that of course depend to the custom tune for differ cam profile angle..!
i know many friends, with fully satisfied about them,
don't think Kleemann will makes & provides useless parts,,
fit them properly with perfect tune are the KEY..!!!?!!!
;ZAYED;
i used them twice years ago, on (5.0l's & 5.4l's), they are brilliant profile, that of course depend to the custom tune for differ cam profile angle..!
i know many friends, with fully satisfied about them,
don't think Kleemann will makes & provides useless parts,,
fit them properly with perfect tune are the KEY..!!!?!!!
;ZAYED;
Last edited by ProjectC55; Dec 31, 2016 at 11:32 PM.
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Do you mean PTE cams bro.?,,
that's another thing..!,
i didn't try or have any idea about Kleemann tune, but i can assure that Kleemann cams & headers are a great toys..
;ZAYED;
that's another thing..!,
i didn't try or have any idea about Kleemann tune, but i can assure that Kleemann cams & headers are a great toys..
;ZAYED;
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I had to have my new kleemann headers modified to fit on my car poor quality control and there is a thread someone posted about it. Cory was giv8ng folks their money back as the headers were consistently flawed w208/202. Patrick had the Kleeman cams way before he came out with the PTE cams. He said the profile on the kleemamn cams were more suited for forced induction hence why he designed the PTE cams.
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Just swapping cams will not make notable gains for any engine. It requires a degree of knowledge about the breathing characteristics of the cams in question.
Lift, Duration, Lobe centerline. All require custom fuel and timing maps re flash to get benefits.
Forced induction engines are not immune and require specific centerline specs.
Cams with much duration degrade the MAP/MAF which effects wholeshot acceleration.
High performance cams are normally made to enhance high RPM operation which involves larger valves plus port work.
These engines are among the best tuned in the world from the factory and installing altered cams takes a tuning specialist with experience in high overlap and RPM limitations of the mechanics.
I bet someone could get 25 - 50 hp out of a properly prepped engine with these cams.
Streetable doubt it.
Cheers
Lift, Duration, Lobe centerline. All require custom fuel and timing maps re flash to get benefits.
Forced induction engines are not immune and require specific centerline specs.
Cams with much duration degrade the MAP/MAF which effects wholeshot acceleration.
High performance cams are normally made to enhance high RPM operation which involves larger valves plus port work.
These engines are among the best tuned in the world from the factory and installing altered cams takes a tuning specialist with experience in high overlap and RPM limitations of the mechanics.
I bet someone could get 25 - 50 hp out of a properly prepped engine with these cams.
Streetable doubt it.
Cheers
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I had to have my new kleemann headers modified to fit on my car poor quality control and there is a thread someone posted about it. Cory was giv8ng folks their money back as the headers were consistently flawed w208/202. Patrick had the Kleeman cams way before he came out with the PTE cams. He said the profile on the kleemamn cams were more suited for forced induction hence why he designed the PTE cams.
and he was so pleased with them,
https://mbworld.org/forums/clk55-amg...ms-review.html
if i'm not mistaken; can't let the cams to raise up the Engine rev, without tune the timing angle..!!
;ZAYED;
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Lift, Duration, Lobe centerline. All require custom fuel and timing maps re flash to get benefits.
Forced induction engines are not immune and require specific centerline specs.
Cams with much duration degrade the MAP/MAF which effects wholeshot acceleration.
High performance cams are normally made to enhance high RPM operation which involves larger valves plus port work.
These engines are among the best tuned in the world from the factory and installing altered cams takes a tuning specialist with experience in high overlap and RPM limitations of the mechanics.
I bet someone could get 25 - 50 hp out of a properly prepped engine with these cams.
Streetable doubt it.
Cheers
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As i remember, patrick already had Kleemann in his mods. list long time ago,
and he was so pleased with them,
https://mbworld.org/forums/clk55-amg...ms-review.html
if i'm not mistaken; can't let the cams to raise up the Engine rev, without tune the timing angle..!!
;ZAYED;
and he was so pleased with them,
https://mbworld.org/forums/clk55-amg...ms-review.html
if i'm not mistaken; can't let the cams to raise up the Engine rev, without tune the timing angle..!!
;ZAYED;
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From: City with Tall buildings!
C43/55,2k11 Volvo S60 T6AWD,2k Audi B5 S4,95 Eagle Talon Tsi AWD 500+awhp
Just swapping cams will not make notable gains for any engine. It requires a degree of knowledge about the breathing characteristics of the cams in question.
Lift, Duration, Lobe centerline. All require custom fuel and timing maps re flash to get benefits.
Forced induction engines are not immune and require specific centerline specs.
Cams with much duration degrade the MAP/MAF which effects wholeshot acceleration.
High performance cams are normally made to enhance high RPM operation which involves larger valves plus port work.
These engines are among the best tuned in the world from the factory and installing altered cams takes a tuning specialist with experience in high overlap and RPM limitations of the mechanics.
I bet someone could get 25 - 50 hp out of a properly prepped engine with these cams.
Streetable doubt it.
Cheers
Lift, Duration, Lobe centerline. All require custom fuel and timing maps re flash to get benefits.
Forced induction engines are not immune and require specific centerline specs.
Cams with much duration degrade the MAP/MAF which effects wholeshot acceleration.
High performance cams are normally made to enhance high RPM operation which involves larger valves plus port work.
These engines are among the best tuned in the world from the factory and installing altered cams takes a tuning specialist with experience in high overlap and RPM limitations of the mechanics.
I bet someone could get 25 - 50 hp out of a properly prepped engine with these cams.
Streetable doubt it.
Cheers
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zayed I know that thread. that was the first month he had those cams. There is more to the story not posted. I have personally spoke to Patrick about these cams and he decided to sell them to me and make a better designed cam. The" PTE cam". He wants that info kept under wraps. I know who and how and where these cams were designed. Almost bought a set and they are expensive. If I invest another couple of grand into tbis car it will be forced induction.
Thanks for clarification..
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He alao had the PTE cams ,took them out and sold them if you remeber. He went back to the stock cams. He did some awsome cleaning up and porting of the head. Not only that he reported that the NA head flowed much better than the Head on the 55k had them both flowbench tested which provided surprising results that the NA head is better to use overall flows much better. So head vs cams I sense that the move to make is in the part that makes the most power and that is the NA cylinder heads with the stock cams Dollar wise hp/$ IMOP.
