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09-27-2007, 08:53 PM
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Well, I'm a doctor who likes to track and vintage race, and I have a new BS.
Have you forgotten you need 1,000 break-in miles before you are supposed to go over 85 mph, and there is a "no kickdown" instruction on the windshield decal during this interval? Then diff fluid change at 1800. I'm not sure many people are there yet.
But, fyi, I'm renting a local track on October 2, and hope to let you know how the car is in the stock set-up. I am probably not going to lower mine, as I expect to put lots of all-purpose miles on the car, and it feels pretty good as-is. AS
Have you forgotten you need 1,000 break-in miles before you are supposed to go over 85 mph, and there is a "no kickdown" instruction on the windshield decal during this interval? Then diff fluid change at 1800. I'm not sure many people are there yet.
But, fyi, I'm renting a local track on October 2, and hope to let you know how the car is in the stock set-up. I am probably not going to lower mine, as I expect to put lots of all-purpose miles on the car, and it feels pretty good as-is. AS
Hope you didn't take my outburst personally. I didn't realize how little time these cars have been here and was expecting more performance oriented discussions. I've got track time on the 5th at Mid Ohio and should have about 1500 miles by then. After the track day I was planning on fluids change.
I was at the recent AMG Pocono event and we got to do a couple 0-60 and slalom runs in a BS. They were showing no respect for break-in procedures as there were about 60 of us flogging these cars with > 150 miles when we started. Granted MB/AMG may not care about long term reliability issues, but one of the instructers didn't seem to be concerned either. He was very excited to be able to take ownership of the red one when AMG was finished with it.
Have fun on the 2nd.
Jim Gerken
09-27-2007, 10:01 PM
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As I’ve stated to others, the "recommended" break in is just that, a recommendation. I’ve been driving my car, using the transmission etc with no restraint since day 1 when it had 17 miles at delivery. I have had no problems to speak of and I am not leasing the car. I had 500 miles on the car when I took it to the track and changed all fluids, brake, rear diff, engine oil and filter after my track day. I follow a pretty aggressive maintenance programme.
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09-27-2007, 11:03 PM
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As I’ve stated to others, the "recommended" break in is just that, a recommendation. I’ve been driving my car, using the transmission etc with no restraint since day 1 when it had 17 miles at delivery. I have had no problems to speak of and I am not leasing the car. I had 500 miles on the car when I took it to the track and changed all fluids, brake, rear diff, engine oil and filter after my track day. I follow a pretty aggressive maintenance programme.
Since the computers can now be read, I am a little concerned that the warranty could be voided if future problems arise, and the recs have been violated. Not that MB is like Lotus, but I have heard that Lotus will void an Elise warranty if rev limits have been exceeded during break-in. AS
09-28-2007, 12:52 AM
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CLK63 Black, E350 Wagon, Supercharged Denali, Lotus Elise, Tesla Model 3 Dual-Motor.
What day where you there and what color group..?
AS,
Hope you didn't take my outburst personally. I didn't realize how little time these cars have been here and was expecting more performance oriented discussions. I've got track time on the 5th at Mid Ohio and should have about 1500 miles by then. After the track day I was planning on fluids change.
I was at the recent AMG Pocono event and we got to do a couple 0-60 and slalom runs in a BS. They were showing no respect for break-in procedures as there were about 60 of us flogging these cars with > 150 miles when we started. Granted MB/AMG may not care about long term reliability issues, but one of the instructers didn't seem to be concerned either. He was very excited to be able to take ownership of the red one when AMG was finished with it.
Have fun on the 2nd.
Jim Gerken
Hope you didn't take my outburst personally. I didn't realize how little time these cars have been here and was expecting more performance oriented discussions. I've got track time on the 5th at Mid Ohio and should have about 1500 miles by then. After the track day I was planning on fluids change.
I was at the recent AMG Pocono event and we got to do a couple 0-60 and slalom runs in a BS. They were showing no respect for break-in procedures as there were about 60 of us flogging these cars with > 150 miles when we started. Granted MB/AMG may not care about long term reliability issues, but one of the instructers didn't seem to be concerned either. He was very excited to be able to take ownership of the red one when AMG was finished with it.
Have fun on the 2nd.
Jim Gerken
09-28-2007, 11:47 AM
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'08 CLK Black, '08 SL65, '17 SL65, '07 SL55, '20 E63S Wagon, '14 GL450
Re: Lotus and 1000 mile break-in.
If computer logs can void a warranty, seems like that should be in the fine print. I noticed that the sticker on the window of my BS says “do not”, but the manual says “avoid”. Now I’m curious, I’ll take a close look at my warranty.
….But you know that computer has everything logged. They might find a few transgressions in my break-in.
….But you know that computer has everything logged. They might find a few transgressions in my break-in.
09-28-2007, 02:32 PM
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As I’ve stated to others, the "recommended" break in is just that, a recommendation. I’ve been driving my car, using the transmission etc with no restraint since day 1 when it had 17 miles at delivery. I have had no problems to speak of and I am not leasing the car. I had 500 miles on the car when I took it to the track and changed all fluids, brake, rear diff, engine oil and filter after my track day. I follow a pretty aggressive maintenance programme.
I was reading on the Private Lounge that for the Black Series cars that were allocated through the lounge, the owners had to agree to allow the cars to be broken in by AMG before they could be run on the track for the AMG Masters Trophy program.
That would tell me that AMG feels fairly strongly about the break in period.
09-28-2007, 02:47 PM
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How can you say that it is only a recommendation?
I was reading on the Private Lounge that for the Black Series cars that were allocated through the lounge, the owners had to agree to allow the cars to be broken in by AMG before they could be run on the track for the AMG Masters Trophy program.
That would tell me that AMG feels fairly strongly about the break in period.
I was reading on the Private Lounge that for the Black Series cars that were allocated through the lounge, the owners had to agree to allow the cars to be broken in by AMG before they could be run on the track for the AMG Masters Trophy program.
That would tell me that AMG feels fairly strongly about the break in period.
09-28-2007, 03:14 PM
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First, becasue the dealers head tech who is the only guy trained on the BS, told me not to worry about it. And second, thats how I break in motors and have never had a problem. Also, these motors are run in at full throttle before ever being installed in the cars. And lastly, did they say exactly how AMG break the motors in before being run in the trophy programme ? Something tells me they just drive the **** out of them
This has been debated to death but my understanding is that the break in in not just for the engine but all of the other drivetrain components. The fact that my SL65 came with an extra sticker just like your Black Series regarding the LSD seems to indicate something.
The engines are not run at full throttle before installation. If you get a chance to visit AMG you will see that every engine is bench tested dry but not run. Only the V12's are all run on the dyno. Some of them are run for additional quality checks on the dyno but every engine is not run prior to being installed.
You are certainly entitled to break in your car any way you want but just because you do it that way does not make it right. In my racing days we certainly beat the crap out of freshly rebuilt engines and cars without a problem but these cars are certainly different than what I raced. I also seem to remember rebuilding engines and drivetrains a bit more frequently that 50K miles......
We should ask Jimmy on here what he agreed to for his car . When I applied for the Private Lounge cars and asked about the break in, they told me that it was a very specific program that was done by professional drivers and they datalog the complete process.
The only reason I commented on this was so that people reading this thread get both sides of the story. It appears that I am a bit more conservative in this area than you are. Just a personal preference. I guess that it is what allows me to be so agressive on the track
Cheers!
09-29-2007, 12:11 AM
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All good man. From what I understand, the black series motors are dyno run before being installed at the studio. Either way, I'm not too worried. I have a very good relationship with my dealer and haven't the slightest concern about any potential warranty claim whatsoever.
09-29-2007, 10:50 PM
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Over 1000 miles
I made it through the first 1000 miles without serious kick downs or too many times over 4500 RPM. Past that milestone on a trip today from Ohio to North Carolina. I could definitely feel the motor freeing up and reving easier later in the trip. Even under restrained pre-1K driving, the car rips! I'll now refer to WV as the Schwarzwald.
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11-20-2007, 09:39 PM
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You certainly have enough passion for all of us.. I am new to the MB world, and have recently changed from the oxy moron of american performance to German Dominance. We build Kleemann Mercedes Dinan BMW and Porsche at my bosses shop in Tampa. I have to say, I see more drivers that are passionate about what they drive everyday. The black Series drew such a response from everyone who visited our shop. Once I had installed the headers and cats the fun began. As well as kleemann tune.. The sound from the exhaust elicited excitement and power that if I owned one I would have to drive it, regardless of the break in. I hope you track your car, I hope you all track your cars. I may not be fortunate enough to get one for myself, but I do get to drive them on occasion, that and many more. But to track one and feel what I heard would be heaven.
Andrew
You certainly have enough passion for all of us.. I am new to the MB world, and have recently changed from the oxy moron of american performance to German Dominance. We build Kleemann Mercedes Dinan BMW and Porsche at my bosses shop in Tampa. I have to say, I see more drivers that are passionate about what they drive everyday. The black Series drew such a response from everyone who visited our shop. Once I had installed the headers and cats the fun began. As well as kleemann tune.. The sound from the exhaust elicited excitement and power that if I owned one I would have to drive it, regardless of the break in. I hope you track your car, I hope you all track your cars. I may not be fortunate enough to get one for myself, but I do get to drive them on occasion, that and many more. But to track one and feel what I heard would be heaven.
Andrew
11-21-2007, 11:58 AM
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Gerken
You certainly have enough passion for all of us.. I am new to the MB world, and have recently changed from the oxy moron of american performance to German Dominance. We build Kleemann Mercedes Dinan BMW and Porsche at my bosses shop in Tampa. I have to say, I see more drivers that are passionate about what they drive everyday. The black Series drew such a response from everyone who visited our shop. Once I had installed the headers and cats the fun began. As well as kleemann tune.. The sound from the exhaust elicited excitement and power that if I owned one I would have to drive it, regardless of the break in. I hope you track your car, I hope you all track your cars. I may not be fortunate enough to get one for myself, but I do get to drive them on occasion, that and many more. But to track one and feel what I heard would be heaven.
Andrew
You certainly have enough passion for all of us.. I am new to the MB world, and have recently changed from the oxy moron of american performance to German Dominance. We build Kleemann Mercedes Dinan BMW and Porsche at my bosses shop in Tampa. I have to say, I see more drivers that are passionate about what they drive everyday. The black Series drew such a response from everyone who visited our shop. Once I had installed the headers and cats the fun began. As well as kleemann tune.. The sound from the exhaust elicited excitement and power that if I owned one I would have to drive it, regardless of the break in. I hope you track your car, I hope you all track your cars. I may not be fortunate enough to get one for myself, but I do get to drive them on occasion, that and many more. But to track one and feel what I heard would be heaven.
Andrew
I think we are going to need some details on this!!!! Who is making the headers?
What kind of performance gains? Can you post some pictures of the parts and the install?
Very cool!
11-21-2007, 01:18 PM
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You certainly have enough passion for all of us.. I am new to the MB world, and have recently changed from the oxy moron of american performance to German Dominance. We build Kleemann Mercedes Dinan BMW and Porsche at my bosses shop in Tampa. I have to say, I see more drivers that are passionate about what they drive everyday. The black Series drew such a response from everyone who visited our shop. Once I had installed the headers and cats the fun began. As well as kleemann tune.. The sound from the exhaust elicited excitement and power that if I owned one I would have to drive it, regardless of the break in. I hope you track your car, I hope you all track your cars. I may not be fortunate enough to get one for myself, but I do get to drive them on occasion, that and many more. But to track one and feel what I heard would be heaven.
Andrew
You certainly have enough passion for all of us.. I am new to the MB world, and have recently changed from the oxy moron of american performance to German Dominance. We build Kleemann Mercedes Dinan BMW and Porsche at my bosses shop in Tampa. I have to say, I see more drivers that are passionate about what they drive everyday. The black Series drew such a response from everyone who visited our shop. Once I had installed the headers and cats the fun began. As well as kleemann tune.. The sound from the exhaust elicited excitement and power that if I owned one I would have to drive it, regardless of the break in. I hope you track your car, I hope you all track your cars. I may not be fortunate enough to get one for myself, but I do get to drive them on occasion, that and many more. But to track one and feel what I heard would be heaven.
Andrew
11-21-2007, 02:03 PM
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The only car with the Throttle blipping dowshifts currently is the C63 it is not on the CLK63.
11-21-2007, 02:28 PM
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What does an automatic do? It's got to be more than just blipping the throttle. What happens within the transmission to match revs?
12-03-2007, 07:19 PM
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12-03-2007, 08:37 PM
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Okay Amerikkka's Most Wanted, have the meds kicked in yet? Good.
Black series is fun. MBWorld is fun. Zoloft is fun.
Okay Amerikkka's Most Wanted, have the meds kicked in yet? Good.
Black series is fun. MBWorld is fun. Zoloft is fun.
12-03-2007, 09:34 PM
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You name it i've had it or got it...
I can't believe these threads. Will the car appreciate? Who's paying > MSRP? Who's getting what over MSRP? Will the ride be too harsh if I drive to AZ? Why no sun roof? What about the pile of wax on my air intakes? Who's calling who out? I can't believe the B%&ll Sh%T!
I know AMG cars are usually bought by doctors who need to spend more on their MB than their neighbor, but I thought this thread might show some hope. Not.
Has anyone tracked their car? Can anyone talk with some credibility about the adjustable suspension and what has worked for them? What tire pressures do you like? Can you guys drive an autocross without looking like your trolling for a spot in a parking garage?
This car is like no other MB (other than the DTM, but who got one of those?) yet there is nothing here about what this car is about. Is there anyone out there who bought this car for anything more than rare auto bling? I'm calling you all out as a bunch of auto p*ssies.
I know AMG cars are usually bought by doctors who need to spend more on their MB than their neighbor, but I thought this thread might show some hope. Not.
Has anyone tracked their car? Can anyone talk with some credibility about the adjustable suspension and what has worked for them? What tire pressures do you like? Can you guys drive an autocross without looking like your trolling for a spot in a parking garage?
This car is like no other MB (other than the DTM, but who got one of those?) yet there is nothing here about what this car is about. Is there anyone out there who bought this car for anything more than rare auto bling? I'm calling you all out as a bunch of auto p*ssies.
12-03-2007, 09:36 PM
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You name it i've had it or got it...
What air pressure is it good to have a blow up doll at? Too much air it would be not so real feeling...too little and she would feel like a warn out out hooker. Any suggestions?? Maybe you can field this one...I am guessing you would have some experience in this field?
