Any former Ferrari owners here??
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Ferrari F360 Modena F1
Any former Ferrari owners here??
I think I've narrowed my rather extensive (next car to buy) list down to just 2cars! I know, I know......not easy!!!! The SLK55 is going up for sale!
OK....here are my choices.....I really like the CLK63 AMG BS and the Ferrari 360 Modena or Spyder. The 360 is about $100K and the Black Series mid $80K.
Any former Ferrari boys here that has experience with either car???? Will be driving both this week.
Lets hear your thoughts!!
MJ
OK....here are my choices.....I really like the CLK63 AMG BS and the Ferrari 360 Modena or Spyder. The 360 is about $100K and the Black Series mid $80K.
Any former Ferrari boys here that has experience with either car???? Will be driving both this week.
Lets hear your thoughts!!
MJ
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Never owned a Ferrari but one of my very close friends has a 08 F430. I do know last time I checked he payed around $4K to replace just front rotors and pads on the 430! One of the reasons why I haven't jumped into one, the huge maintenance costs. Either car you pick I think they are both awesome machines.
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Comparing the 430 to the 360 is of no value.Two different cars.
Anyway, my reference points are the 360spyder (stock), 911TT (750hp+suspension mods), 911TT (stock), SL600(1000hp+suspension mods) and zo6(stock). I have zero experience with the CLK63 BS.
I am assuming since your budget is 100k, maintenance costs are not a deal breaker for u.
Availability of mods for the 360 is very limited and much more over priced than MB.
Eye candy "wow" factor is by far higher for the 360.
360 on the track is NOT impressive compared to 911 and zo6(I'll be glad to give u more data). Not bad but not impressive.
Exhaust sound from a stock 360 is more of a "formula 1" sound. More exotic. More unique. Stick a Tubi on it and its flat out beautiful.
Power is decent. I use that word because it not the that "torquey".
What are you looking for? As in what are the top 4 or 5 most important values to you in a sports car in order of importance? With that info I can give u more objective data, rather than just spew opinions that will serve you not.
Anyway, my reference points are the 360spyder (stock), 911TT (750hp+suspension mods), 911TT (stock), SL600(1000hp+suspension mods) and zo6(stock). I have zero experience with the CLK63 BS.
I am assuming since your budget is 100k, maintenance costs are not a deal breaker for u.
Availability of mods for the 360 is very limited and much more over priced than MB.
Eye candy "wow" factor is by far higher for the 360.
360 on the track is NOT impressive compared to 911 and zo6(I'll be glad to give u more data). Not bad but not impressive.
Exhaust sound from a stock 360 is more of a "formula 1" sound. More exotic. More unique. Stick a Tubi on it and its flat out beautiful.
Power is decent. I use that word because it not the that "torquey".
What are you looking for? As in what are the top 4 or 5 most important values to you in a sports car in order of importance? With that info I can give u more objective data, rather than just spew opinions that will serve you not.
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I had an '06 430 that I bought new. It looked great, but was an awful car. Little things broke constantly - I swear it spent more time on the dealer's flatbed than on the road - and it understeers much more than you'd expect. I replaced it with a Porsche GT3RS which was superior in every way - particularly driving dynamics. I drive a Black Series as my commute car and love it. I don't think they really compare - the BS is a livable fun car to drive all the time. The Ferrari is more about looking good for special occasions
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I test drove a 360 and a 430. Both cars were uncomfortable when compared to my BS. The 360 had 20K on the speedo and $20K in maintenance costs. That turned me off immediately. When I learned an oil change could also cost $5K that was the deal breaker. I'm not a fan of Ferrari although they are beautiful eye candy but I'm definitely a fan of the BS; there really is no comparison. IMO you'll be much happier and money ahead if you decide to buy a BS.
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Comparing the 430 to the 360 is of no value.Two different cars.
Anyway, my reference points are the 360spyder (stock), 911TT (750hp+suspension mods), 911TT (stock), SL600(1000hp+suspension mods) and zo6(stock). I have zero experience with the CLK63 BS.
I am assuming since your budget is 100k, maintenance costs are not a deal breaker for u.
Availability of mods for the 360 is very limited and much more over priced than MB.
Eye candy "wow" factor is by far higher for the 360.
360 on the track is NOT impressive compared to 911 and zo6(I'll be glad to give u more data). Not bad but not impressive.
Exhaust sound from a stock 360 is more of a "formula 1" sound. More exotic. More unique. Stick a Tubi on it and its flat out beautiful.
Power is decent. I use that word because it not the that "torquey".
What are you looking for? As in what are the top 4 or 5 most important values to you in a sports car in order of importance? With that info I can give u more objective data, rather than just spew opinions that will serve you not.
Anyway, my reference points are the 360spyder (stock), 911TT (750hp+suspension mods), 911TT (stock), SL600(1000hp+suspension mods) and zo6(stock). I have zero experience with the CLK63 BS.
I am assuming since your budget is 100k, maintenance costs are not a deal breaker for u.
Availability of mods for the 360 is very limited and much more over priced than MB.
Eye candy "wow" factor is by far higher for the 360.
360 on the track is NOT impressive compared to 911 and zo6(I'll be glad to give u more data). Not bad but not impressive.
Exhaust sound from a stock 360 is more of a "formula 1" sound. More exotic. More unique. Stick a Tubi on it and its flat out beautiful.
Power is decent. I use that word because it not the that "torquey".
What are you looking for? As in what are the top 4 or 5 most important values to you in a sports car in order of importance? With that info I can give u more objective data, rather than just spew opinions that will serve you not.
Here ya go: My top 5 important values for my next purchase.
1.) Looks.....this car will not be my daily driver, but when I pull her out of the garage I want her to be damn purty!
2.) BHP.......I want the car to *** go when when I stick my foot in the firewall.
3.) Reliablity...I know, I know....BHP costs one way or another, but some cars are clearly better at it than others.
4.) Re-saleability...I am one of those guys that buys everything with a possible exit plan in mind if that day should come.
Ok, so there ya have it. I have to say this though as a MB (AMG) fan, someone on this brd once said "Fall in Love with the Italian, but Marry the German"..Makes ya think does it not. And as for selling the car someday....some of the Ferrari's & Lambos are very difficult to move and usually via consignment through a dealer! Also, someone above mention a Z06 too! That car has big HP and the torque to match, but a friend who has one always laughs at Chevy customer service!!! We are a bit spoiled as MB owners.
OK, so lets open this up a bit.
Here are my top 6 at this very moment:
1. CLK63 AMG Black Series
2. Ferrari F360 Spyder
3. Lamborghini Gallardo
4. Zo6
5. GTR
6. 911
Thoughts????
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Why do you have a Zo6 on that list? Don't you mean ZR1? 2009 ZR1s are going for $85 to $90k and will blow the doors off everything on the list, fit and finish is typical sub par, Chevrolet but it addresses YOUR bhp, reliability and resaleability issues. Believe it or not ZR1s are holding their value better than any of the cars on your list. The Black Series is going to turn as many heads at the F car and Lambo but with much better reliability. The GTR is also a great car and can be had for $60k but IMO its the least exotic of the bunch and will lack the curb appeal that the other cars have.
OK Soul,
Here ya go: My top 5 important values for my next purchase.
1.) Looks.....this car will not be my daily driver, but when I pull her out of the garage I want her to be damn purty!
2.) BHP.......I want the car to *** go when when I stick my foot in the firewall.
3.) Reliablity...I know, I know....BHP costs one way or another, but some cars are clearly better at it than others.
4.) Re-saleability...I am one of those guys that buys everything with a possible exit plan in mind if that day should come.
Ok, so there ya have it. I have to say this though as a MB (AMG) fan, someone on this brd once said "Fall in Love with the Italian, but Marry the German"..Makes ya think does it not. And as for selling the car someday....some of the Ferrari's & Lambos are very difficult to move and usually via consignment through a dealer! Also, someone above mention a Z06 too! That car has big HP and the torque to match, but a friend who has one always laughs at Chevy customer service!!! We are a bit spoiled as MB owners.
OK, so lets open this up a bit.
Here are my top 6 at this very moment:
1. CLK63 AMG Black Series
2. Ferrari F360 Spyder
3. Lamborghini Gallardo
4. Zo6
5. GTR
6. 911
Thoughts????
Here ya go: My top 5 important values for my next purchase.
1.) Looks.....this car will not be my daily driver, but when I pull her out of the garage I want her to be damn purty!
2.) BHP.......I want the car to *** go when when I stick my foot in the firewall.
3.) Reliablity...I know, I know....BHP costs one way or another, but some cars are clearly better at it than others.
4.) Re-saleability...I am one of those guys that buys everything with a possible exit plan in mind if that day should come.
Ok, so there ya have it. I have to say this though as a MB (AMG) fan, someone on this brd once said "Fall in Love with the Italian, but Marry the German"..Makes ya think does it not. And as for selling the car someday....some of the Ferrari's & Lambos are very difficult to move and usually via consignment through a dealer! Also, someone above mention a Z06 too! That car has big HP and the torque to match, but a friend who has one always laughs at Chevy customer service!!! We are a bit spoiled as MB owners.
OK, so lets open this up a bit.
Here are my top 6 at this very moment:
1. CLK63 AMG Black Series
2. Ferrari F360 Spyder
3. Lamborghini Gallardo
4. Zo6
5. GTR
6. 911
Thoughts????
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Mighty Joe:
Have you heard the phrase "fast, reliable, cheap.....pick two of the three." ??
It simply means that nothing's perfect. If the four important values (you said 5 but only listed 4) are listed in your order of importance, then I say go for Ferrari or Lambo.
I have a BS and it doesn't turn heads, most ppl thinks it's just another MB AMG. Which is exactly what I want: less attention.
If you scratch off your #1 important value, things might change. Read jrcart's post above.
Have you heard the phrase "fast, reliable, cheap.....pick two of the three." ??
It simply means that nothing's perfect. If the four important values (you said 5 but only listed 4) are listed in your order of importance, then I say go for Ferrari or Lambo.
I have a BS and it doesn't turn heads, most ppl thinks it's just another MB AMG. Which is exactly what I want: less attention.
If you scratch off your #1 important value, things might change. Read jrcart's post above.
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Joe. just recently sold my 599 to make room for a 458 coming next May. I was going to bring my BS over to Geneva next year but am now slightly rethinking as it makes better sense to have one in the states and one over here.
Whilst a good car, the 360 is an entry level car...stay away from it and get a 430.
Whilst a good car, the 360 is an entry level car...stay away from it and get a 430.
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You cant have it all. Based on your #1 value listed below, its a rather simple answer !
Good luck....
1.) Looks.....this car will not be my daily driver, but when I pull her out of the garage I want her to be damn purty!
2.) BHP.......I want the car to *** go when when I stick my foot in the firewall.
3.) Reliablity...I know, I know....BHP costs one way or another, but some cars are clearly better at it than others.
4.) Re-saleability...I am one of those guys that buys everything with a possible exit plan in mind if that day should come.
Good luck....
1.) Looks.....this car will not be my daily driver, but when I pull her out of the garage I want her to be damn purty!
2.) BHP.......I want the car to *** go when when I stick my foot in the firewall.
3.) Reliablity...I know, I know....BHP costs one way or another, but some cars are clearly better at it than others.
4.) Re-saleability...I am one of those guys that buys everything with a possible exit plan in mind if that day should come.
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By the way, for those who have not driven a new 997ttSportChrono, you will be shocked by the acceleration of that car. From 0-60 it feels faster than a ZR1 (probably because it puts down all the power, and the dsg shifts are FAST). The ZR1 power is absolutely astounding. If what you want is acceleration, either of those 2 are top dog.
Used Ferraris are all low miles, because no matter how rich you are, the service seems ridiculously expensive. After the buyer pays it once, he begins to do the math. And "high mileage" really beats down Ferrari prices. "High" can be any number approaching the first major service interval.
But, if you want to drive it on the highway, have rock-solid reliability, great V8 sound, very sharp handling, reasonable service costs, and exclusivity and trackability, the BS is the best choice. AS
Used Ferraris are all low miles, because no matter how rich you are, the service seems ridiculously expensive. After the buyer pays it once, he begins to do the math. And "high mileage" really beats down Ferrari prices. "High" can be any number approaching the first major service interval.
But, if you want to drive it on the highway, have rock-solid reliability, great V8 sound, very sharp handling, reasonable service costs, and exclusivity and trackability, the BS is the best choice. AS
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The Black Series is a great car - looks nice and has a lot of power. But, I would not write off the Nissan GTR - performance wise it is one of the most solid cars you can get out there, and certainly it will turn heads as it is a fairly rare car.
Heh, it's hard to argue with the passion of a Ferrari though. Maintenance costs aside, they are beautiful cars to hear and look at.
The ZR1's performance is the selling point, but if looks is your #1, then I'd not get it, since it is not too special compared to regular Corvettes, and it lacks the appeal of a Ferrari or even the Black Series.
Heh, it's hard to argue with the passion of a Ferrari though. Maintenance costs aside, they are beautiful cars to hear and look at.
The ZR1's performance is the selling point, but if looks is your #1, then I'd not get it, since it is not too special compared to regular Corvettes, and it lacks the appeal of a Ferrari or even the Black Series.
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The Black Series is a great car - looks nice and has a lot of power. But, I would not write off the Nissan GTR - performance wise it is one of the most solid cars you can get out there, and certainly it will turn heads as it is a fairly rare car.
Heh, it's hard to argue with the passion of a Ferrari though. Maintenance costs aside, they are beautiful cars to hear and look at.
The ZR1's performance is the selling point, but if looks is your #1, then I'd not get it, since it is not too special compared to regular Corvettes, and it lacks the appeal of a Ferrari or even the Black Series.
Heh, it's hard to argue with the passion of a Ferrari though. Maintenance costs aside, they are beautiful cars to hear and look at.
The ZR1's performance is the selling point, but if looks is your #1, then I'd not get it, since it is not too special compared to regular Corvettes, and it lacks the appeal of a Ferrari or even the Black Series.
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OK Soul,
Here ya go: My top 5 important values for my next purchase.
1.) Looks.....this car will not be my daily driver, but when I pull her out of the garage I want her to be damn purty!
2.) BHP.......I want the car to *** go when when I stick my foot in the firewall.
3.) Reliablity...I know, I know....BHP costs one way or another, but some cars are clearly better at it than others.
4.) Re-saleability...I am one of those guys that buys everything with a possible exit plan in mind if that day should come.
Ok, so there ya have it. I have to say this though as a MB (AMG) fan, someone on this brd once said "Fall in Love with the Italian, but Marry the German"..Makes ya think does it not. And as for selling the car someday....some of the Ferrari's & Lambos are very difficult to move and usually via consignment through a dealer! Also, someone above mention a Z06 too! That car has big HP and the torque to match, but a friend who has one always laughs at Chevy customer service!!! We are a bit spoiled as MB owners.
OK, so lets open this up a bit.
Here are my top 6 at this very moment:
1. CLK63 AMG Black Series
2. Ferrari F360 Spyder
3. Lamborghini Gallardo
4. Zo6
5. GTR
6. 911
Thoughts????
Here ya go: My top 5 important values for my next purchase.
1.) Looks.....this car will not be my daily driver, but when I pull her out of the garage I want her to be damn purty!
2.) BHP.......I want the car to *** go when when I stick my foot in the firewall.
3.) Reliablity...I know, I know....BHP costs one way or another, but some cars are clearly better at it than others.
4.) Re-saleability...I am one of those guys that buys everything with a possible exit plan in mind if that day should come.
Ok, so there ya have it. I have to say this though as a MB (AMG) fan, someone on this brd once said "Fall in Love with the Italian, but Marry the German"..Makes ya think does it not. And as for selling the car someday....some of the Ferrari's & Lambos are very difficult to move and usually via consignment through a dealer! Also, someone above mention a Z06 too! That car has big HP and the torque to match, but a friend who has one always laughs at Chevy customer service!!! We are a bit spoiled as MB owners.
OK, so lets open this up a bit.
Here are my top 6 at this very moment:
1. CLK63 AMG Black Series
2. Ferrari F360 Spyder
3. Lamborghini Gallardo
4. Zo6
5. GTR
6. 911
Thoughts????
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my opinion, for what it's worth (not much but you're gonna get it anyway)
1) CLK63 BS: Get this. Looks badass, performs great, extremely fun to drive, reasonable maintenance and consumables, comfortable enough for a daily driver or road trips. The looks aren't outrageous but it draws attention from aficionados.
2) Porsche 997 911TTsc: Looks great (for a p-car), performs great, assuming high maintenance. You really can't go wrong with a 911. You didn't hear me say that.
3) Lamborghini Gallardo: Looks sharp, performs great, assuming high maintenance again. The kid in me really wants one of these but I wouldn't feel embarrassed showing up to a business meeting in one.
4) Chevrolet Z06/ZR1: looks bland, insane performance, mediocre interior and build quality, good reliability, reasonable maintenance, too common to compete with other cars in this list. ZR1 is too fast to compete with other cars in this list. I would end up killing myself with a ZR1 anyway.
5) Ferrari F360 Spyder: OK looks (a little feminine), dated performance, reliability issues, maintenance cost is unacceptable. Doesn't have nearly enough torque... if you like M3s then this might be OK for you.
6) Nissan GTR: boy racer looks, very fast, many documented reliability issues, poor manufacturer support. I would never own one of these after hearing how Nissan treats their customers (voided warranties)
1) CLK63 BS: Get this. Looks badass, performs great, extremely fun to drive, reasonable maintenance and consumables, comfortable enough for a daily driver or road trips. The looks aren't outrageous but it draws attention from aficionados.
2) Porsche 997 911TTsc: Looks great (for a p-car), performs great, assuming high maintenance. You really can't go wrong with a 911. You didn't hear me say that.
3) Lamborghini Gallardo: Looks sharp, performs great, assuming high maintenance again. The kid in me really wants one of these but I wouldn't feel embarrassed showing up to a business meeting in one.
4) Chevrolet Z06/ZR1: looks bland, insane performance, mediocre interior and build quality, good reliability, reasonable maintenance, too common to compete with other cars in this list. ZR1 is too fast to compete with other cars in this list. I would end up killing myself with a ZR1 anyway.
5) Ferrari F360 Spyder: OK looks (a little feminine), dated performance, reliability issues, maintenance cost is unacceptable. Doesn't have nearly enough torque... if you like M3s then this might be OK for you.
6) Nissan GTR: boy racer looks, very fast, many documented reliability issues, poor manufacturer support. I would never own one of these after hearing how Nissan treats their customers (voided warranties)
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Was it a V8 or V10 R8? The V8 is way underpowered but I've heard that the V10 is a lot better. I'm also surprised to hear that about the Gallardo, I would have thought that it would be a fun car to throw around.
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OK....Here's a quick update! I drove the F360 today!
My impressions are this:
I still like the looks of the car, but at 6'2" I couldn't get the seat low enough to not feel like the sun visor was somehow blocking my view. I felt like I wanted to look underneath the visor. It wasn't bad, but in my smaller SLK55 I have "no" visibilty issues.
The seats felt pretty good, but I noticed that my left foot was at an awkward 45% angle and I found it difficult to find a comfy spot.
Now, all of these small issues are not deal breakers, but I gotta say my 55AMG with all that low-end torque will be dearly missed. When I got the F-car up in RPMs she sure wanted to go!! and it sounds schweeet!!!
I also have done some massive research regarding cost of ownership. The Ferrari is an expensive car to own, but didn't I already know that? As for the dealership, they forced the owner to put $5K in it before they would put it on the floor!!! They made him do a belt service, fluid change and new tires. Car has 3500 miles! I like it for the next owner! And I like that the dealer is trying ot make certain they have quality on the floor!
Stand-by, CLK63 is next,
MJ
My impressions are this:
I still like the looks of the car, but at 6'2" I couldn't get the seat low enough to not feel like the sun visor was somehow blocking my view. I felt like I wanted to look underneath the visor. It wasn't bad, but in my smaller SLK55 I have "no" visibilty issues.
The seats felt pretty good, but I noticed that my left foot was at an awkward 45% angle and I found it difficult to find a comfy spot.
Now, all of these small issues are not deal breakers, but I gotta say my 55AMG with all that low-end torque will be dearly missed. When I got the F-car up in RPMs she sure wanted to go!! and it sounds schweeet!!!
I also have done some massive research regarding cost of ownership. The Ferrari is an expensive car to own, but didn't I already know that? As for the dealership, they forced the owner to put $5K in it before they would put it on the floor!!! They made him do a belt service, fluid change and new tires. Car has 3500 miles! I like it for the next owner! And I like that the dealer is trying ot make certain they have quality on the floor!
Stand-by, CLK63 is next,
MJ
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The Gallardo, I didn't like the understeer and the numbness of the steering. Again, a fast car around the corners, fast in the straights, just doesn't excite me. Understeer goes away if you throw it hard into a corner, but it felt a little sloppy recovering (not as bad as the C63, but similar). This is an earlier model from a few years ago, maybe the new ones are improved?
Hard to explain.. I guess the best way to put it, I felt like I could run a 8/10ths lap in both cars one handed with a coffee in the other hand. A little too easy which makes it boring?
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You will find the 911 Turbo s and the regular pdk 'Turbo's the same . Very , very fast but a little , dare i say it ? boring .
Fyi I am a huge Porsche fan .
Fyi I am a huge Porsche fan .
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Agreed, I wouldn't want a car like that either. I expected that from the R8 but it's disappointing to hear about the Gallardo.
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