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Old 11-04-2011, 10:35 AM
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Mine is making about 661 and Earls is about 665, a stock BS make 410-420. Mine should be 665-670 with my new MAFs and airbox next week, plus my ram air which is very hard to gauge on a dyno.
Let's just say Earl and I are not running the Weistec stage 1, we both run the Weistec race ported heads, heavily modified fuel delivery systems which include larger fuel rails, larger fuel injectors and insane amounts of boost considering we are both running stock internals. If we can take advantage of our new intake systems we can probably make 700whp, the limiting factor was air, now we both have new intakes (we are both testing a different set up) which are allowing Weistec to turn the boost up on both our cars. By January both cars should be making the above quoted 700whp.
That is very impressive. How much can the internals take? Are they forged?
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By January both cars should be making the above quoted 700whp.
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You actually should have come out to the track in Vegas 2 weeks ago, you could have seen some of the new stuff we were testing out. BTW that 700whp number is a conservative onne.
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You actually should have come out to the track in Vegas 2 weeks ago, you could have seen some of the new stuff we were testing out. BTW that 700whp number is a conservative onne.

What new stiff Jim? Do tell! You can't leave me hanging like this?
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I won't speak for Jimmy but I will say the prototype stuff will benefit all. Best for you is that it won't be lhd or rhd specific so it will benefit you as well!!

The reason I left my car out west will become apparent come February. You might even want to jump on a plane and come up.

Jimmy and I have a side bet to see who is first into the 9's with a full weight car!
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Maverick,

I won't speak for Jimmy but I will say the prototype stuff will benefit all. Best for you is that it won't be lhd or rhd specific so it will benefit you as well!!

The reason I left my car out west will become apparent come February. You might even want to jump on a plane and come up.

Jimmy and I have a side bet to see who is first into the 9's with a full weight car!
Good luck! Cannot wait to see.
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Originally Posted by Maverick1975
What new stiff Jim? Do tell! You can't leave me hanging like this?
Lots of R&D, I don't feel I should let the cat out of the bag on this stuff til it gets proven. I can say this, I witnessed a cog pulley installed on Earls car that produced 20 pounds of boost, it would have been a low 10 second pass had it not vaporized the blower belt. The motor can handle everything we can throw at it, Weistec is just working out the bugs so we can run the higher boost. Right now we are both at about 15psi and that works perfectly.

As Earl mentioned we are working on something else that will be of interest to several of you and will be a HUGE advancement with these cars. One of us should be posting details in January once it has been real world tested and track tested. Both our cars are at Weistec right now getting this stuff developed.

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Was a new fuel pump and injectors part of the Weistec kit..?
I know they were required parts of the Denali's MagnaCharger kit.
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Was a new fuel pump and injectors part of the Weistec kit..?
I know they were required parts of the Denali's MagnaCharger kit.
Those parts are not requiired for the Weistec Stage 1, as mentioned before Earl and I are running well beyond Stage 1.
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Originally Posted by jrcart
I can say this, I witnessed a cog pulley installed on Earls car that produced 20 pounds of boost.
Holy ****! 20 psi on a high compression motor? And I thought I was pushing the limits with 9psi, turf again I drive the car on the street alot and only run 93 octane. But still I'm shocked you guys aren't getting detonation, much less blown motors even at 15psi. Keep it up, this is getting interesting
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Originally Posted by jrcart
You actually should have come out to the track in Vegas 2 weeks ago, you could have seen some of the new stuff we were testing out. BTW that 700whp number is a conservative onne.
Would have been great and it wasn't hot that night but we were entertaining a client of my wife's that Friday.
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Jimmy and I have a side bet to see who is first into the 9's with a full weight car!
WTF???
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Holy ****! 20 psi on a high compression motor? And I thought I was pushing the limits with 9psi, turf again I drive the car on the street alot and only run 93 octane. But still I'm shocked you guys aren't getting detonation, much less blown motors even at 15psi. Keep it up, this is getting interesting
+1 That's insane!! Weistec must have mapped something special in the ECU!
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The more I read the more I'm shying away from the new 63TT AMGs and going the Weistec route soon.
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The more I read the more I'm shying away from the new 63TT AMGs and going the Weistec route soon.
You will certainly not regret that
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Originally Posted by blackbenzz
Holy ****! 20 psi on a high compression motor? And I thought I was pushing the limits with 9psi, turf again I drive the car on the street alot and only run 93 octane. But still I'm shocked you guys aren't getting detonation, much less blown motors even at 15psi. Keep it up, this is getting interesting
Ahmad, these motors seem to be able to hande whatever we can throw at em. Both Earl and I have been running around with between 13.5-15 psi since April, we have made dozens of passes and racked up countless street miles, Earl even drove his out from LA to Vegas for the event we did out there in July with no issues with the exception of blowing a couple belts. We think we have addressed the belt issue with a much wider 8-spline pulley system that Weistec developed for us or anyone wanting to run the higher boost. The 20psi pulley was just kind of a last pass of the night attempt to see what would happen. It had been tested on the dyno before but never out in the real world, I am confidant Weistec will have that pulley sorted out before too long, but to be honest the car is pretty violent at 14-15psi, IMO 20psi will be useless except for on well prepped drag strips with slicks or DR's, hell the 14psi in almost a joke on the street when I am running my Corsa tires, 120mph burnouts....no problem

Earl and I are running very similar set-ups with the exception of our intakes, I am obviously running my Ram-air hood and he is running a Weistec protoype intake system, we both only made a handful of passes with these set-ups at Vegas last month so no real conclusions have been drawn as to which set-up is better. I can tell you both set-ups work much better than anything we previously ran.
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Wow that's amazing! Does the BS have forged pistons? I haven't been keeping up with the setups but if he is shredding belts that 8 rib belt setup is a good idea. Also might want to try getting more wrap aka belt contact with the belt on the pulley. I haven't looked at the Weistec setup but there are many ways to achieve this.
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any modifications to the transmission/ diff to handle that kind of power or is it all stock, had you any issues with the tranny so far, I am thinking of getting W SC, havent decided what stage yet, just looking

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Originally Posted by jrcart
Mine is making about 661 and Earls is about 665, a stock BS make 410-420. Mine should be 665-670 with my new MAFs and airbox next week, plus my ram air which is very hard to gauge on a dyno.
Let's just say Earl and I are not running the Weistec stage 1, we both run the Weistec race ported heads, heavily modified fuel delivery systems which include larger fuel rails, larger fuel injectors and insane amounts of boost considering we are both running stock internals. If we can take advantage of our new intake systems we can probably make 700whp, the limiting factor was air, now we both have new intakes (we are both testing a different set up) which are allowing Weistec to turn the boost up on both our cars. By January both cars should be making the above quoted 700whp.
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any modifications to the transmission/ diff to handle that kind of power or is it all stock, had you any issues with the tranny so far, I am thinking of getting W SC, havent decided what stage yet, just looking

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No trans issues(yet)but I'm sure it's just a matter of time. We are currently looking into some transmission and torque converter improvements so if and when the need arises we can bolt up a beefier transmission.
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Originally Posted by blackbenzz
Wow that's amazing! Does the BS have forged pistons? I haven't been keeping up with the setups but if he is shredding belts that 8 rib belt setup is a good idea. Also might want to try getting more wrap aka belt contact with the belt on the pulley. I haven't looked at the Weistec setup but there are many ways to achieve this.
I want to clarify that there are no belt related issues whatsoever with the Weistec belt/pulley set-up with their Stage 1 and 2 set-up. I had no issues at all until I really turned up the boost and I attribute one of the blown belts to me installing it myself and running it too tight. Earl and I are running extreme amounts of boost in extreme track conditions...R & D. The 8-rib is kinda just prototype stuff for Earl and I to see how far we can push these. Anyone wanting to run the Weistec Stage 1 or 2 will have no issues with their original belt/pulleys that come with the kit. There have got to be several dozen Weistec kits running around the streets worldwide and I have not heard of anyone else breaking a belt on one.
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To recap what Jim has been saying. With the stage 2+ system, I drove the car from LA to Vegas in the dead of August (temperature stayed above 90/100 degrees the entire time. When we got to Vegas we changed tires and rattled off a 10.8. Put the street rubber back on and the guys drove back to LA.

The only additional mod I recommend is a 9500CI passport radar system. It has saved me from being caught at impound and go to jail speeds!

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any modifications to the transmission/ diff to handle that kind of power or is it all stock, had you any issues with the tranny so far, I am thinking of getting W SC, havent decided what stage yet, just looking

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Ronnie, my car is out in California at Weistec right now. I am probably going to keep it out there until Jan or Feb so I can fly out there and try to take advantage of a couple track events but when I get it back to Naperville you are more than welcome to come over to my place and check out the SC and even drive it (weather permitting since you only live less than an hour away from me.
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Originally Posted by ecampbell
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The only additional mod I recommend is a 9500CI passport radar system. It has saved me from being caught at impound and go to jail speeds!
Escort Redline for the open highway between LA and Vegas.
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wow thats pretty good times, yes thanks for the heads up, but for now I already have a V1 , pulled it out from my 911 turbo,

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Ronnie,

To recap what Jim has been saying. With the stage 2+ system, I drove the car from LA to Vegas in the dead of August (temperature stayed above 90/100 degrees the entire time. When we got to Vegas we changed tires and rattled off a 10.8. Put the street rubber back on and the guys drove back to LA.

The only additional mod I recommend is a 9500CI passport radar system. It has saved me from being caught at impound and go to jail speeds!
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what are you getting done at weistec, more stuff , Thank you, I will definitely take you up on the offer , as i would like to see it. Most probably in the spring, who know what our weather will be like...

Originally Posted by jrcart
Ronnie, my car is out in California at Weistec right now. I am probably going to keep it out there until Jan or Feb so I can fly out there and try to take advantage of a couple track events but when I get it back to Naperville you are more than welcome to come over to my place and check out the SC and even drive it (weather permitting since you only live less than an hour away from me.


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