Check out this black (interior + rear seats)
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Check out this black (interior + rear seats)
Damn, there are some sweet options in this one 
http://www.autoscout24.de/Details.as...kw4elz&asrc=fa
http://www.autoscout24.de/Details.as...kw4elz&asrc=fa
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The rear seats are very well done but the entry/egress will be an issue unless you're carting around contortionists. It's a pain in the *** for me just getting back there to clean the rear glass. Someone else brought up the issue of safety and possible issues caused by the additional weight in a different thread.
Still pretty cool.
I love your C btw.
Still pretty cool.
I love your C btw.
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The rear seats are very well done but the entry/egress will be an issue unless you're carting around contortionists. It's a pain in the *** for me just getting back there to clean the rear glass. Someone else brought up the issue of safety and possible issues caused by the additional weight in a different thread.
Still pretty cool.
I love your C btw.
Still pretty cool.
I love your C btw.
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No its a proper conversion , the front seats fold completely ( same model Recaros as used by Kicherer , in fact I think its an early Kicherer job ) so no contortions needed . Also no safety issues with the German conversions as they have full TUV approval , very different to some of the home made jobs .
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it makes you wonder how the TUV rating was obtained by them. Everyone can be bought at certain price, and their code of ethics doesn't seem so great. It would be different for most any other legitimate tuner, but hard to take anything kicherer stated @ face value.
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With this kind of customer servicehttps://mbworld.org/forums/clk63-bla...rer-fraud.html
it makes you wonder how the TUV rating was obtained by them. Everyone can be bought at certain price, and their code of ethics doesn't seem so great. It would be different for most any other legitimate tuner.
it makes you wonder how the TUV rating was obtained by them. Everyone can be bought at certain price, and their code of ethics doesn't seem so great. It would be different for most any other legitimate tuner.
im not condoning kicherers actions , im merely pointing out to interested parties about the seat conversion ( which i personally think is pointless anyway btw ).
However , going bust and treating customers like poo is no indication of technical know how just bad business management , poor ethics , bad customer relations mixed with the current financial climate .
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Thos seats can be bought from Kicherer for around US$6k. I looked at buying them but found a local Recaro supplier who sell exact same seat for a cheaper price without Kicherer mark up
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you cant but tuv approval , thats the most ridiculous thing ive ever heard , sorry if thats not what you meant .
im not condoning kicherers actions , im merely pointing out to interested parties about the seat conversion ( which i personally think is pointless anyway btw ).
However , going bust and treating customers like poo is no indication of technical know how just bad business management , poor ethics , bad customer relations mixed with the current financial climate .
im not condoning kicherers actions , im merely pointing out to interested parties about the seat conversion ( which i personally think is pointless anyway btw ).
However , going bust and treating customers like poo is no indication of technical know how just bad business management , poor ethics , bad customer relations mixed with the current financial climate .
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i doubt it and here is why? When i modified my c55 to have a 5.8engine instead, the tuv guy came and checked my car and he was a guy not working for vath. My point being that the tuv is an external company, you just have to get an appoitement. So as long as kicherer did quality mods i am pretty sure they got it tuv approved. Before they went bankrupt i think it was a serious company...
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Damn, there are some sweet options in this one
http://www.autoscout24.de/Details.as...kw4elz&asrc=fa
http://www.autoscout24.de/Details.as...kw4elz&asrc=fa
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CLK AMG BLACK SERIES (among other German things)
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I'd say it's highly likely. I'd be be saying differently if Florian had refunded the money instead of stringing the poor guy along. Companies that behave in this manner and steal with bankruptcy or not can never at any point of their existence be held up in the same regard as companies that behave with integrity. PERIOD!!! You'd be a fool to believe otherwise.
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I'd say it's highly likely. I'd be be saying differently if Florian had refunded the money instead of stringing the poor guy along. Companies that behave in this manner and steal with bankruptcy or not can never at any point of their existence be held up in the same regard as companies that behave with integrity. PERIOD!!! You'd be a fool to believe otherwise.
FYI , I have never believed or insinuated that " Companies that behave in this manner and steal with bankruptcy or not can never at any point of their existence be held up in the same regard as companies that behave with integrity. " and your last sentence came across almost as a veiled insult . If this is the case I am unimpressed .
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I dont want to get into an argument with you but knowing a little about TUV and the amount of years they were in business with TUV approval ( something all modifications like this must have BY LAW ) and knowing German bureaucracy plus the extreme competition between tuners , I do not agree with you .
FYI , I have never believed or insinuated that " Companies that behave in this manner and steal with bankruptcy or not can never at any point of their existence be held up in the same regard as companies that behave with integrity. " and your last sentence came across almost as a veiled insult . If this is the case I am unimpressed .
FYI , I have never believed or insinuated that " Companies that behave in this manner and steal with bankruptcy or not can never at any point of their existence be held up in the same regard as companies that behave with integrity. " and your last sentence came across almost as a veiled insult . If this is the case I am unimpressed .
One other point, I think you are holding TUV up as this sacred institution, but when we live in a world where catholic clergy and educators molest children and cover it up, you may be regarding them too highly IMO. Corruption exists in all bureaucracies.
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Not trying to be insulting at all. Just a general statement and if it seemed to be directed at you, I apologize. I am also pointing most of my disdain @ Kicherer because at some point I could have been a fool that purchased from them. In fact I had inquired about this rear sear setup.
One other point, I think you are holding TUV up as this sacred institution, but when we live in a world where catholic clergy and educators molest children and cover it up, you may be regarding them too highly IMO. Corruption exists in all bureaucracies.
One other point, I think you are holding TUV up as this sacred institution, but when we live in a world where catholic clergy and educators molest children and cover it up, you may be regarding them too highly IMO. Corruption exists in all bureaucracies.
tbh you are so out there I think it may be impossible for me to continue this discussion without you thinking I am making fun of you . So as now we have tuv being compared to child molesters in the catholic church ( ????? ) ,
im leaving this thread to you mate please carry on because I give up
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Not trying to be insulting at all. Just a general statement and if it seemed to be directed at you, I apologize. I am also pointing most of my disdain @ Kicherer because at some point I could have been a fool that purchased from them. In fact I had inquired about this rear sear setup.
One other point, I think you are holding TUV up as this sacred institution, but when we live in a world where catholic clergy and educators molest children and cover it up, you may be regarding them too highly IMO. Corruption exists in all bureaucracies.
One other point, I think you are holding TUV up as this sacred institution, but when we live in a world where catholic clergy and educators molest children and cover it up, you may be regarding them too highly IMO. Corruption exists in all bureaucracies.
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As a father of 3 this conversion has always been a great option in a pinch to own a 63BS. As long as it's using CLK rear seats, CLK seat belts with CLK hardware it's safe enough for me and my kids.
Same as putting in Carrera/turbo rear seats and belts in a GT2/Gt3... It's been certified and crash tested around the world.
I don't care for esthetics, so if it fits it's fine with me, the car can always be returned to it's 2 seat roots....
Aren't standard CLK seats, belts, hardware a total bolt in?
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Same as putting in Carrera/turbo rear seats and belts in a GT2/Gt3... It's been certified and crash tested around the world.
I don't care for esthetics, so if it fits it's fine with me, the car can always be returned to it's 2 seat roots....
Aren't standard CLK seats, belts, hardware a total bolt in?
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