A Piece Of Crap
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A Piece Of Crap
I test drove a CLS today. It's way overpriced. It felt like a stretched C-Class. It just didn't feel like a $71000 car. The rear looks like a Jag (uggh). Those of you considering a purchase, I hope that you've driven a car. It looks better than it drives. It does not feel like a Benz. You'd be way better off buying a CPO '03 or '04 S-Class for less money and have three times the car.
Save your money. There are better cars out there for this kind of dough. I was really disappointed.
Save your money. There are better cars out there for this kind of dough. I was really disappointed.
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Originally Posted by WIldcat465
I test drove a CLS today. It's way overpriced. It felt like a stretched C-Class. It just didn't feel like a $71000 car. The rear looks like a Jag (uggh). Those of you considering a purchase, I hope that you've driven a car. It looks better than it drives. It does not feel like a Benz. You'd be way better off buying a CPO '03 or '04 S-Class for less money and have three times the car.
Save your money. There are better cars out there for this kind of dough. I was really disappointed.
Save your money. There are better cars out there for this kind of dough. I was really disappointed.
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Originally Posted by adam76
you are nuts. u must have been at the bmw dealer or something...
Have you driven an S-Class?
Did you test drive any S-classes? or other cars in the $75,000 price range? I'm not sure, but I think you can have a CLK55 for that kind of money. If not, Buy an Audi or BMW. Just my opinion. I suspect that resale on these is going to be soft. I'm not trying to hate on you or your new car, but simply suggest that potential buyers need to shop carefully.
The car felt like a C-Class. If it was $50k, I could justify it, but there are so many other cars in this price range that are superior.
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Originally Posted by adam76
you are nuts. u must have been at the bmw dealer or something...
By the way, the salesman warned me before I got in the car and I didn't want to believe him. I suspect he was disappointed too.
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i find it funny since im familiar with all of that. my dad has an S, i think the S feels dated, in fact, if the S wasnt changing in a year or too, he even thought he'd move to a CLS, not that the CLS was better, but he liked it a lot. My uncle has a CL which ive driven, again the CLS is not better, but not far off. my buddy has an sl55, this is a different beast, but again, its not like night and day. i came from a c32, and theres no way in hell the CLS feels like my old car stretched. i compared the LS430 (already own GS), and 7 series. the LS was more along the lines of the S, and the 7 was weak. all the dealers at my dealership were impressed, but then again theyd agree with either of us just to agree ; ) not sure what happened in your experience, but i do encourage all to take a test drive, i doubt u will be dissapointed!
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Wildcat465, I appreciate your thoughts and experience on the driving feel of the new CLS. I'm a first time MB buyer and have driven the CLS twice - it compared very comparably to an E500 and the interior design feels more coupe like and richer.
Haven't tried a S-class, but you have given me reason to do so. I do own a 745i and can tell you that the CLS500 does compete very well with it IMO.
Driving experience is a matter of taste and I suspect the extra price for the CLS is as much about the design as it is the performance (although the interior design does appeal to me much more than the E500). At the end of the day I think many balance a variety of factors against a car purchase and sometimes folks pay more for looks than others feel is warranted.
Haven't tried a S-class, but you have given me reason to do so. I do own a 745i and can tell you that the CLS500 does compete very well with it IMO.
Driving experience is a matter of taste and I suspect the extra price for the CLS is as much about the design as it is the performance (although the interior design does appeal to me much more than the E500). At the end of the day I think many balance a variety of factors against a car purchase and sometimes folks pay more for looks than others feel is warranted.
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Wildcat465, I appreciate your thoughts and experience on the driving feel of the new CLS. I'm a first time MB buyer and have driven the CLS twice - it compared very comparably to an E500 and the interior design feels more coupe like and richer.
Haven't tried a S-class, but you have given me reason to do so. I do own a 745i and can tell you that the CLS500 does compete very well with it IMO.
Driving experience is a matter of taste and I suspect the extra price for the CLS is as much about the design as it is the performance (although the interior design does appeal to me much more than the E500). At the end of the day I think many balance a variety of factors against a car purchase and sometimes folks pay more for looks than others feel is warranted.
Haven't tried a S-class, but you have given me reason to do so. I do own a 745i and can tell you that the CLS500 does compete very well with it IMO.
Driving experience is a matter of taste and I suspect the extra price for the CLS is as much about the design as it is the performance (although the interior design does appeal to me much more than the E500). At the end of the day I think many balance a variety of factors against a car purchase and sometimes folks pay more for looks than others feel is warranted.
I understand that people get all exited about a new Benz with sexy line; but I didn't see much past the pretty face. Six month down the road after living with the car, it's gotta make you smile everytime you drive it. I had my 600 and enjoyed every minute of it. Took the CL out this evening for dinner wifey and felt pampered. When I drove the CLS, I felt insulted that MB would charge big money for the CLS. It just didn't feel special. (Can't you get a 745 for this kinda money?) It's a least as 2 times as good as the CLS. I'm not trying to flame anybody or bash the CLS, these are just my impressions. It did look nice with the AMG wheels.
By the way, I love the looks of the 745 better than the S, but it's just too complex. Just to start the car is confusing. Unlike a benz with Keyless Go, you just push a button. MB's new nav is wasier to use than the 745's. But the Bmw drives like a bimmer and that feeling is hard to beat.
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Originally Posted by adam76
i find it funny since im familiar with all of that. my dad has an S, i think the S feels dated, in fact, if the S wasnt changing in a year or too, he even thought he'd move to a CLS, not that the CLS was better, but he liked it a lot. My uncle has a CL which ive driven, again the CLS is not better, but not far off. my buddy has an sl55, this is a different beast, but again, its not like night and day. i came from a c32, and theres no way in hell the CLS feels like my old car stretched. i compared the LS430 (already own GS), and 7 series. the LS was more along the lines of the S, and the 7 was weak. all the dealers at my dealership were impressed, but then again theyd agree with either of us just to agree ; ) not sure what happened in your experience, but i do encourage all to take a test drive, i doubt u will be dissapointed!
my buddy has an sl55, this is a different beast, but again, its not like night and day.[/B]
You're right. The difference is more like the difference between life and death.
#2. My uncle has a CL which ive driven, again the CLS is not better, but not far off.
Right again. In the big scheme of things, a million miles is not far. The CLS is not in the same universe.
Knowing a buddy with an SL55 and having an uncle who lets you park his CL, is not like owning either vehicle. Your CLS looks nice and it's is pleasant to drive, but you could have bought an Audi V8 for the same money.
When I first drove my SL, I could not stop smiling. It was uncontrollable, same thing in the CL. I was EXPECTING the sae feeeling from the CLS, but I know that it was average after driving it 50 feet. Again it's a nice grocery getter, but don't expect to be accepted into the Big Dog Club. The CLS would make a good mascot.
I can't speak to the LS, so I can't offer an opinion. My experence has been that Japanese cars are very pleasant and reliable and less fun to drive. But I don't beleive it's a contender for the 7, but I have no basis for that. I do know that the BMW V8 is a wonderful motor. I'll drive an LS this weekend.
The S-class did feel a little dated on the inside--not the road feel. Still way above the cls.
CLS sure is pretty. All it needs is some pink bows on the mirrors.
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Originally Posted by adam76
youre just upset cause the CLS has more styling then either your CL or SL. stick to your Riv.
they are all three beautiful cars imo no matter the price.
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I test drove a CLS today. It's way overpriced. It felt like a stretched C-Class. It just didn't feel like a $71000 car. The rear looks like a Jag (uggh). Those of you considering a purchase, I hope that you've driven a car. It looks better than it drives. It does not feel like a Benz. You'd be way better off buying a CPO '03 or '04 S-Class for less money and have three times the car.
Save your money. There are better cars out there for this kind of dough. I was really disappointed.
Save your money. There are better cars out there for this kind of dough. I was really disappointed.
I have shown numerous people pictures of the CLS and the responses vary from Intrepid, Dodge, Buick, Jag/Taurus with a 300c roofline. When Imentioned you can only seat four most people looked at me like I was crazy.
If you buy a TRUE coupe then are you going to be able to seat four people. A sedan, which the CLS is should seat 5.. Whomever designated the CLS a coupe is a RETARD.
IMHO the design team on the CLS consisted of TOO MANY designers. The car has no "style" like the rest of the current Mercedes Benzs.
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[FONT=Comic Sans MS]The CLS is NOT a sedan! It´s a coupé with 4 doors. The word "coupé" doesn´t mean that there MUST be 2 doors..."Coupé" is french and is meant as "a compartment for every passenger". So, the CLS has 4 single-seats and so there´s "a compartment for every passenger"...
The CLS is a new way of coupé and based on the W211 E-Class, it´s strategically placed between E- and S-Class. Logically, the price is also placed between E- and S-Class...
I would designate the CLS as a kind of "marketing-experiment" by DC...
Off course, it´s courageously to require "S-Class"-prices for an "E-Class"-car, but, at least in Germany, it works...
The CLS is a new way of coupé and based on the W211 E-Class, it´s strategically placed between E- and S-Class. Logically, the price is also placed between E- and S-Class...
I would designate the CLS as a kind of "marketing-experiment" by DC...
Off course, it´s courageously to require "S-Class"-prices for an "E-Class"-car, but, at least in Germany, it works...
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im just playin around. everyone will have their opinion, for every car, there will be "haters". i agree all these cars including the Riv, are fine automobiles
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Originally Posted by ricky.agrawal
You could get a LS430 loaded for that kinda money.
You do pay more for the Mercedes styling and the Mercedes name.
You do pay more for the Mercedes styling and the Mercedes name.
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After reading this thread me as someone who has ordered a CLS and ad his doubts at times agrees in way. You have to admit that the CLS is one hell of Mercedes interm of exterior design and interior however you are paying an S-Class price for a made over E-Class
Where i live you can get a Porsche 997 Carrera for the exact price of a CLS 350
Where i live you can get a Porsche 997 Carrera for the exact price of a CLS 350
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Originally Posted by adam76
youre just upset cause the CLS has more styling then either your CL or SL. stick to your Riv.
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Originally Posted by adam76
im just baffled... how could someone with a collection of cars like that, have no clue about them?? seek help.
By the way, regardless about what I drive, I don't need to have a clue about it. Actually, the SL is my wife's car, she bought it for the color without even test driving it. It's her grocery getter, she doesn't need a clue about it, she doesn't care. Believe it or not she drives a car similar to yours (Her company car--a Taurus!) during the week. I think I'll go to the dealer and get some CLS badges for it. I can mail you the Taurus badges after I remove them if you'd like.
Again, I'm not trying to flame, I just having fun at this point. The CLS is not a piece of crap, it's just not living up to the hype. It IS pleasant driving and good-looking, but you could have had a 741i or 645 or the big Lexus all of which have the same amount or more seating and have more prestige and Big Dogness. I'm just saying shop around and don't have blind faith to MB. Expect more and switch brands if you don't get it.
My CL lease is up in 23 months. I love the CL's looks and feel, but you can be damn sure that I will shop really hard before I buy another $110k car. *****, I could have had a 745 AND a nice beater. I'm keeping the SL.
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@ WIldcat465
If you think the CLS is a rebadged jag/taurus you should take your Riv for a ride to the optician...
The CLS is more for younger drivers while the CL is (at least in Germany) for the older ones.
Maybe you could give your wifeys Taurus to "Pimp my ride"...They are able to make a custom CLS with it...
If you think the CLS is a rebadged jag/taurus you should take your Riv for a ride to the optician...
The CLS is more for younger drivers while the CL is (at least in Germany) for the older ones.
Maybe you could give your wifeys Taurus to "Pimp my ride"...They are able to make a custom CLS with it...
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@ WIldcat465
If you think the CLS is a rebadged jag/taurus you should take your Riv for a ride to the optician...
Maybe you could give your wifeys Taurus to "Pimp my ride"...They are able to make a custom CLS with it...
The CLS is more for younger drivers while the CL is (at least in Germany) for the older ones.
If you think the CLS is a rebadged jag/taurus you should take your Riv for a ride to the optician...
Maybe you could give your wifeys Taurus to "Pimp my ride"...They are able to make a custom CLS with it...
The CLS is more for younger drivers while the CL is (at least in Germany) for the older ones.
Originally Posted by bjoern1980
If you think the CLS is a rebadged jag/taurus you should take your Riv for a ride to the optician...
Again, I'm not trying to attack. I like the CLS' looks, it's the feel that's missing. $71,000. Why are you guys so defensive? DOn't be mad at me. Wifey's Taurus has been attacked. My Rivera (a great classic of the muscle car era) has been attacked. Both my SL and CL have been insulted.
By the way, before you purchased your CLS', how many of you drove it's competition:
A6 4.2 Auto Tiptronic® quattro®
Base MSRP: $50,500
Price as configured: $61,270 FULLY LOADED
Lexus LS430 (More an S-Class competitor, but someone mentioned it so I included it) Ultra Luxury Selection with Pre-Collision System (PCS) with Additional Options - FULLY LOADED $74,124.00
VW Phaeton V8 4.2L 4dr Sedan
4.2L 335hp 8-cylinder $71,400. FULLY LOADED
CLS500
DVD COMAND Navigation $1,240.00
Electronic Trunk Closer $510.00
317 Comfort Package $1,500.00
320 Entertainment Package $980.00
NO SPORT PACKAGE, NO BI-XENONS, no keyless go - CERTAINLY THE BEST LOOKING THOUGH, AUDI HAS QUATTRO MORE OPTIONS AND IS A BETTER CAR
Wow, this analysis opened my eyes about how expensive MBs are relative to other cars. I wish that the SL had a true competitor that would allow me to compare.
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Originally Posted by deuce zer0
lmfao.
no since in getting all upset about it...
they are all three beautiful cars imo no matter the price.
no since in getting all upset about it...
they are all three beautiful cars imo no matter the price.
SL600. Beauty to the bone.
CL500. Beauty to the bone.
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