GT S Vs Porsche 911 Turbo
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GT S Vs Porsche 911 Turbo Vs Ferrari 458
Hi Everyone. Currently diving 2013 SL 350. It got boring to drive due to lack of power.
I am thinking of upgrading to either a GT S (not making the mistake of buying the lower tier engine again!). I also thought of buying a Porsche 911 Turbo.
What do you guys think (expecting some Merc bias but thats fine)?
I would be custom ordering one in about 10 days, after I come back from a trip.
Any "essential" options to order on GT S (if that would be my final choice)? I am thinking of a matte grey color exterior with Black bucket seats.
I am thinking of upgrading to either a GT S (not making the mistake of buying the lower tier engine again!). I also thought of buying a Porsche 911 Turbo.
What do you guys think (expecting some Merc bias but thats fine)?
I would be custom ordering one in about 10 days, after I come back from a trip.
Any "essential" options to order on GT S (if that would be my final choice)? I am thinking of a matte grey color exterior with Black bucket seats.
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Well the GTS and 911 turbo are a pretty close match but few cars can equal a 911 turbo s for non stop pure power and handling. If you like to show up at the golf course with a 911, the clubs will have to be in the back seat and the bag boy can really mess up the leather. Been there. With the GTS you don't have that problem. 140k gets you a nice GTS, 160k a nice 911 turbo and 190k an amazing 911 turbo s. BTW, 76k gets you a Z06 and they are nothing to fool with.
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The Turbo S is currently out of the question with its price tag.
Between the 911 Turbo and the GT S, I give the GT S a win on the looks. Also the 911 is kind of annoying with the constant facelifts and model changes, although the changes are major ones. Still you have the "old" model every 3 years.
I am kind of leaning towards the GT S.
By the way, in my neck of the woods, I am paying around $280K for a very well optioned GT S. Customs are really high on luxury cars over here. The 911 Turbo is kind of close on pricing. However the Turbo S goes close to $330K.
Any pointers on the GT S options?
Between the 911 Turbo and the GT S, I give the GT S a win on the looks. Also the 911 is kind of annoying with the constant facelifts and model changes, although the changes are major ones. Still you have the "old" model every 3 years.
I am kind of leaning towards the GT S.
By the way, in my neck of the woods, I am paying around $280K for a very well optioned GT S. Customs are really high on luxury cars over here. The 911 Turbo is kind of close on pricing. However the Turbo S goes close to $330K.
Any pointers on the GT S options?
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My first problem was that all wide body 911s look so similar there is not enough differentiation. GTS is unique.
Second, all 911 will soon be turbos and will be upgradable so there is no longer a need to spend 170k US for a "turbo" Porsche. I suspect a simple Carrera will be a 500 hp 120k value very soon.
Second, all 911 will soon be turbos and will be upgradable so there is no longer a need to spend 170k US for a "turbo" Porsche. I suspect a simple Carrera will be a 500 hp 120k value very soon.
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My first problem was that all wide body 911s look so similar there is not enough differentiation. GTS is unique.
Second, all 911 will soon be turbos and will be upgradable so there is no longer a need to spend 170k US for a "turbo" Porsche. I suspect a simple Carrera will be a 500 hp 120k value very soon.
Second, all 911 will soon be turbos and will be upgradable so there is no longer a need to spend 170k US for a "turbo" Porsche. I suspect a simple Carrera will be a 500 hp 120k value very soon.
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I am currently in the same boat. Here are my thoughts:
-The 911 is everywhere where I live and no one can really make the difference between a base $100K model and a turbo with the must have options at $180K. Therefore the GTS feels and is more exclusive. I also love matte colors and will go for exactly your choice which makes the car even more exclusive and eye catching.
-The GTS inside feels quite a bit more special than the P car but is less livable on a daily basis. In and out on the P car is a breeze whereas the Benz takes some bending.
-I know the tuners have not produced anything yet for the new 911s but I suspect they will be able to get you to TT power without the price tag. Therefore if you chose the P car, I would wait for a new turbo Porsche GTS and tune it. A tune on the MB GTS will allow it to easily compete against a TTS other than at a stop light if the P car uses launch mode.
-Driving both cars should also be enlightening and you should be able to quickly form an opinion. The TT does not give you as much aural feedback and it's a personal opinion if that ranks high on your list. The Benz has much less overall outside visibility.You can't go wrong with either and I am sure the P forum will tell you to go with the TT as it is still viewed as the best overall sports car. Choices, choices lol
Personally, I am awaiting the pricing on the base GT and the upcoming MB GT-R but what will sit in my garage will not be a Porsche.
It is seriously crazy that both cars cost that much there. You need to move to the states lol, $280K will buy you a real super car like 650S.
-The 911 is everywhere where I live and no one can really make the difference between a base $100K model and a turbo with the must have options at $180K. Therefore the GTS feels and is more exclusive. I also love matte colors and will go for exactly your choice which makes the car even more exclusive and eye catching.
-The GTS inside feels quite a bit more special than the P car but is less livable on a daily basis. In and out on the P car is a breeze whereas the Benz takes some bending.
-I know the tuners have not produced anything yet for the new 911s but I suspect they will be able to get you to TT power without the price tag. Therefore if you chose the P car, I would wait for a new turbo Porsche GTS and tune it. A tune on the MB GTS will allow it to easily compete against a TTS other than at a stop light if the P car uses launch mode.
-Driving both cars should also be enlightening and you should be able to quickly form an opinion. The TT does not give you as much aural feedback and it's a personal opinion if that ranks high on your list. The Benz has much less overall outside visibility.You can't go wrong with either and I am sure the P forum will tell you to go with the TT as it is still viewed as the best overall sports car. Choices, choices lol
Personally, I am awaiting the pricing on the base GT and the upcoming MB GT-R but what will sit in my garage will not be a Porsche.
It is seriously crazy that both cars cost that much there. You need to move to the states lol, $280K will buy you a real super car like 650S.
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As opposed to the 911 models which have different size turbos in each model.
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Just depends how much you value 0-60 and lap times vs looks, interior, exhaust noise, and exclusivity. The GTS probably gives you around 90-95% of the performance of a turbo.
I'm coming from a 911 and don't go to the track for than 3-4 times a year now so switched to the AMG.
I'm coming from a 911 and don't go to the track for than 3-4 times a year now so switched to the AMG.
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Well there really is no difference between the GT and the GTS besides a stereo, electronic locking differential and keyless and exhaust options. And it's the same powertrain and suspension struts ( dynamic select on GTS). and interior standard. ( but for software ecu tweak).
As opposed to the 911 models which have different size turbos in each model.
As opposed to the 911 models which have different size turbos in each model.
As to the OP's question I have owned only a 991 Turbo S and it will crush the GTS from a dig and its a great handling car as well. The GTS is also very formidable on the track and twisites and it sounds so much better than the Turbo S or Turbo. I honestly like the GTS better from an interior standpoint and "fun to drive" factor. Speed is great but the way you get there with the exhaust in the GTS and the pin point steering is incredible. Its truly a joy to drive on a daily or weekend basis. I still miss my Turbo S but got a 458 at the time and dumped it. I would consider the 991.2 Turbo S though as it has changed the game cutting the Ring time down sizeably along with faster acceleration from a dig (never thought that would happen). Since you are asking about the non S vs the GTS; I have zero doubt which one I would get--- GTS all day.
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I don't think this will be true anymore with the 991.2 generation of the Turbo and Turbo S. Porsche will be putting larger compressors in the Turbo S so a tuned Turbo will most likely not run neck and neck with it anymore once the tunes comes out. However, no one will consider the Turbo version as slow.
The Turbo and the Turbo S have the same turbos, wheels, and housings. They run a different ecu tune aka boost to enhance the power. Its just like the GT and GTS... Thus when guys over at 6speedonline run tuned Non S's vs Tuned S's the results are neck and neck (dynos show this too with non S and S on the same tune). The Turbo S does get many options as standard the the non S has to addendum up also (as you know this like pricey PCCB's and the great chassis controlling PDCC and a slew of other stuff). Its very comparable to how the GTS and GT are- with a few tweaks on the boost along with missing options/items.
As to the OP's question I have owned only a 991 Turbo S and it will crush the GTS from a dig and its a great handling car as well. The GTS is also very formidable on the track and twisites and it sounds so much better than the Turbo S or Turbo. I honestly like the GTS better from an interior standpoint and "fun to drive" factor. Speed is great but the way you get there with the exhaust in the GTS and the pin point steering is incredible. Its truly a joy to drive on a daily or weekend basis. I still miss my Turbo S but got a 458 at the time and dumped it. I would consider the 991.2 Turbo S though as it has changed the game cutting the Ring time down sizeably along with faster acceleration from a dig (never thought that would happen). Since you are asking about the non S vs the GTS; I have zero doubt which one I would get--- GTS all day.
As to the OP's question I have owned only a 991 Turbo S and it will crush the GTS from a dig and its a great handling car as well. The GTS is also very formidable on the track and twisites and it sounds so much better than the Turbo S or Turbo. I honestly like the GTS better from an interior standpoint and "fun to drive" factor. Speed is great but the way you get there with the exhaust in the GTS and the pin point steering is incredible. Its truly a joy to drive on a daily or weekend basis. I still miss my Turbo S but got a 458 at the time and dumped it. I would consider the 991.2 Turbo S though as it has changed the game cutting the Ring time down sizeably along with faster acceleration from a dig (never thought that would happen). Since you are asking about the non S vs the GTS; I have zero doubt which one I would get--- GTS all day.
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I don't think this will be true anymore with the 991.2 generation of the Turbo and Turbo S. Porsche will be putting larger compressors in the Turbo S so a tuned Turbo will most likely not run neck and neck with it anymore once the tunes comes out. However, no one will consider the Turbo version as slow.
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I am currently in the same boat. Here are my thoughts:
-The 911 is everywhere where I live and no one can really make the difference between a base $100K model and a turbo with the must have options at $180K. Therefore the GTS feels and is more exclusive. I also love matte colors and will go for exactly your choice which makes the car even more exclusive and eye catching.
-The GTS inside feels quite a bit more special than the P car but is less livable on a daily basis. In and out on the P car is a breeze whereas the Benz takes some bending.
-I know the tuners have not produced anything yet for the new 911s but I suspect they will be able to get you to TT power without the price tag. Therefore if you chose the P car, I would wait for a new turbo Porsche GTS and tune it. A tune on the MB GTS will allow it to easily compete against a TTS other than at a stop light if the P car uses launch mode.
-Driving both cars should also be enlightening and you should be able to quickly form an opinion. The TT does not give you as much aural feedback and it's a personal opinion if that ranks high on your list. The Benz has much less overall outside visibility.You can't go wrong with either and I am sure the P forum will tell you to go with the TT as it is still viewed as the best overall sports car. Choices, choices lol
Personally, I am awaiting the pricing on the base GT and the upcoming MB GT-R but what will sit in my garage will not be a Porsche.
It is seriously crazy that both cars cost that much there. You need to move to the states lol, $280K will buy you a real super car like 650S.
-The 911 is everywhere where I live and no one can really make the difference between a base $100K model and a turbo with the must have options at $180K. Therefore the GTS feels and is more exclusive. I also love matte colors and will go for exactly your choice which makes the car even more exclusive and eye catching.
-The GTS inside feels quite a bit more special than the P car but is less livable on a daily basis. In and out on the P car is a breeze whereas the Benz takes some bending.
-I know the tuners have not produced anything yet for the new 911s but I suspect they will be able to get you to TT power without the price tag. Therefore if you chose the P car, I would wait for a new turbo Porsche GTS and tune it. A tune on the MB GTS will allow it to easily compete against a TTS other than at a stop light if the P car uses launch mode.
-Driving both cars should also be enlightening and you should be able to quickly form an opinion. The TT does not give you as much aural feedback and it's a personal opinion if that ranks high on your list. The Benz has much less overall outside visibility.You can't go wrong with either and I am sure the P forum will tell you to go with the TT as it is still viewed as the best overall sports car. Choices, choices lol
Personally, I am awaiting the pricing on the base GT and the upcoming MB GT-R but what will sit in my garage will not be a Porsche.
It is seriously crazy that both cars cost that much there. You need to move to the states lol, $280K will buy you a real super car like 650S.
If I was living in the states I could probably buy to of them for the price I am paying now. Or maybe I would have bought both the GT S and the 911 TT!
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The Turbo and the Turbo S have the same turbos, wheels, and housings. They run a different ecu tune aka boost to enhance the power. Its just like the GT and GTS... Thus when guys over at 6speedonline run tuned Non S's vs Tuned S's the results are neck and neck (dynos show this too with non S and S on the same tune). The Turbo S does get many options as standard the the non S has to addendum up also (as you know this like pricey PCCB's and the great chassis controlling PDCC and a slew of other stuff). Its very comparable to how the GTS and GT are- with a few tweaks on the boost along with missing options/items.
As to the OP's question I have owned only a 991 Turbo S and it will crush the GTS from a dig and its a great handling car as well. The GTS is also very formidable on the track and twisites and it sounds so much better than the Turbo S or Turbo. I honestly like the GTS better from an interior standpoint and "fun to drive" factor. Speed is great but the way you get there with the exhaust in the GTS and the pin point steering is incredible. Its truly a joy to drive on a daily or weekend basis. I still miss my Turbo S but got a 458 at the time and dumped it. I would consider the 991.2 Turbo S though as it has changed the game cutting the Ring time down sizeably along with faster acceleration from a dig (never thought that would happen). Since you are asking about the non S vs the GTS; I have zero doubt which one I would get--- GTS all day.
As to the OP's question I have owned only a 991 Turbo S and it will crush the GTS from a dig and its a great handling car as well. The GTS is also very formidable on the track and twisites and it sounds so much better than the Turbo S or Turbo. I honestly like the GTS better from an interior standpoint and "fun to drive" factor. Speed is great but the way you get there with the exhaust in the GTS and the pin point steering is incredible. Its truly a joy to drive on a daily or weekend basis. I still miss my Turbo S but got a 458 at the time and dumped it. I would consider the 991.2 Turbo S though as it has changed the game cutting the Ring time down sizeably along with faster acceleration from a dig (never thought that would happen). Since you are asking about the non S vs the GTS; I have zero doubt which one I would get--- GTS all day.
Again, pointers on the options are more than welcome.
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In the US, you can buy a brand new GTS and 911 Turbo for $300K. I have driven a few P-Cars and none of them sound as nice as the GTS. Also, the Porsche interior is very utilitarian and no where near as nice as the GTS. I would say for the small amount of speed and handling you give up from the 911 Turbo, you make up for it with aural enjoyment and interior comfort. Unless you track your cars all the time, I would say the GTS is the better way to go. Good luck!
I think I will go for a GT S Test Drive as soon as I come back and if all goes well, I will place my order. It is, so far, around a 4 month wait!
If I was living in the states I could probably buy to of them for the price I am paying now. Or maybe I would have bought both the GT S and the 911 TT!
If I was living in the states I could probably buy to of them for the price I am paying now. Or maybe I would have bought both the GT S and the 911 TT!
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Having just gone through the order process myself and will be picking up the car today, here are a few things I have to say.
- If you are getting the any of the black wheel options, make sure you match it with the Night Styling Package. I thought long and hard about the carbon fiber exterior package and one of the main factors that helped me decided against it was not the $5300 price tag, but the fact that the exhaust tips are still chromed and not blacked out like the Night Styling Package.
- Having driven multiple GTS cars with different interior options at the Circuit of the Americas, I would say that the upgraded interior option with the Dinamica inserts is a must even just for aggressive driving and not the track. I found the leather interiors to be a little slippery, while the Dinamica interior has much better body grip.
- The panorama sunroof makes the cabin feel bigger, but adds a little bit of weight up top. My original order did not have it, but I ended getting it in the car because I went with a car on the ground instead of waiting.
- Burmester High-End Stereo is a personal choice. I like my music with clarity, so I went with the system with the better tweeter and higher powered amp.
- Lane tracking package is good to have for the blindspot assist.
- I had my doubts about the Dynamic Plus package with the stiffer springs because multiple forum users have complained about the ride being too harsh, but I decided to add it because it is a sports car after all.
- Carbon Ceramic brakes are not necessary unless you plan on tracking the car all the time, or absolutely hate brake dust.
- If you are getting the any of the black wheel options, make sure you match it with the Night Styling Package. I thought long and hard about the carbon fiber exterior package and one of the main factors that helped me decided against it was not the $5300 price tag, but the fact that the exhaust tips are still chromed and not blacked out like the Night Styling Package.
- Having driven multiple GTS cars with different interior options at the Circuit of the Americas, I would say that the upgraded interior option with the Dinamica inserts is a must even just for aggressive driving and not the track. I found the leather interiors to be a little slippery, while the Dinamica interior has much better body grip.
- The panorama sunroof makes the cabin feel bigger, but adds a little bit of weight up top. My original order did not have it, but I ended getting it in the car because I went with a car on the ground instead of waiting.
- Burmester High-End Stereo is a personal choice. I like my music with clarity, so I went with the system with the better tweeter and higher powered amp.
- Lane tracking package is good to have for the blindspot assist.
- I had my doubts about the Dynamic Plus package with the stiffer springs because multiple forum users have complained about the ride being too harsh, but I decided to add it because it is a sports car after all.
- Carbon Ceramic brakes are not necessary unless you plan on tracking the car all the time, or absolutely hate brake dust.
I have been in a few 911 TTs and imo they are not very impressive as far as the interior goes. Also, I am feeling like the 911 are a bit dull on the styling. However the performance is pretty awesome. Considering that I am not tracking any of my cars, on road performance of the GT S should be more than enough.
Again, pointers on the options are more than welcome.
Again, pointers on the options are more than welcome.
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Well there really is no difference between the GT and the GTS besides a stereo, electronic locking differential and keyless and exhaust options. And it's the same powertrain and suspension struts ( dynamic select on GTS). and interior standard. ( but for software ecu tweak).
As opposed to the 911 models which have different size turbos in each model.
As opposed to the 911 models which have different size turbos in each model.
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Options are a pretty personal thing on this car.
Base stereo kinda sucks if you're into stereos. I bought a car that was in stock without the upgraded stereo and am spending that 5 grand on aftermarket equipment.
Personally, I hate black roofs on cars so I looked all over until I found one without the panoramic roof.
I've seen people both with and without the dynamic plus package complain about the ride. Being a sports car, I decided to get the package. It's not that bad, but comfort mode could be a little more plush.
The only thing I couldn't get was the 10 spoke titanium wheels. Out of the 25 or so cars locally, not a single one had those wheels.
Base stereo kinda sucks if you're into stereos. I bought a car that was in stock without the upgraded stereo and am spending that 5 grand on aftermarket equipment.
Personally, I hate black roofs on cars so I looked all over until I found one without the panoramic roof.
I've seen people both with and without the dynamic plus package complain about the ride. Being a sports car, I decided to get the package. It's not that bad, but comfort mode could be a little more plush.
The only thing I couldn't get was the 10 spoke titanium wheels. Out of the 25 or so cars locally, not a single one had those wheels.
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for me, a lot comes down to if you were next to either car, which one would you rather be in. I know that everytime I was next to a turbo, turbo s, I felt I was in the better car, though I do admire the turbo/s.
Most people cant tell the difference between the 911s. And even when the normal AMG GT comes out, I still dont believe you'll see it in the streets as much.
Most people cant tell the difference between the 911s. And even when the normal AMG GT comes out, I still dont believe you'll see it in the streets as much.
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Thanks fort all the feedback guys.
I think my dilemma just got more complicated.
I now have in play, a 2013 Ferrari 458 Italia!
I am super confused. Should I get a 2016/17 AMG GTS, 2016/17 Porsche Turbo or the 2013 Ferrari 458 Italia.
I understand that the 488 is out now and thats out of my budget.
The Porsche Turbo has the lack of appeal aesthetically compared to the GTS and Ferrari.
Then there is the AMG GTS.
Thanks in advance for all the feedback.
P.S. I need to decide by Monday!
I think my dilemma just got more complicated.
I now have in play, a 2013 Ferrari 458 Italia!
I am super confused. Should I get a 2016/17 AMG GTS, 2016/17 Porsche Turbo or the 2013 Ferrari 458 Italia.
I understand that the 488 is out now and thats out of my budget.
The Porsche Turbo has the lack of appeal aesthetically compared to the GTS and Ferrari.
Then there is the AMG GTS.
Thanks in advance for all the feedback.
P.S. I need to decide by Monday!
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If the 458 is in the same price range as the 2 others, then I think it's a no brainer. The F car is clearly the more exotic car and closes the gap performance wise against the TT.
If you can buy an extended warranty and you are not concerned about the higher maintenance cost, then go for it man.
Post pics of your new beast
If you can buy an extended warranty and you are not concerned about the higher maintenance cost, then go for it man.
Post pics of your new beast
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