Black Series help please
01-25-2020, 10:23 PM
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I've been told by my German Factory Rep *I deal directly with MB in Germany for my cars...ordering & pick up* that the AMG GT Black will be allocated to those dealerships which have sold a pre determined number of AMGs and it will be available for order through those special dealerships only.
This model will be the first car that will first be offered to current AMG GT owners, in writing, by their dealership before being available in dealerships to the general public. And while I had been offered the opportunity to order directly from the factory without a MB/AMG Rep or salesman,
My local dealership rep tells me they are forbidden from giving out info to anyone other than their best AMG customers. He stated no other models have ever generated the interest and internal discussion the AMG GT Black Series has generated, And yes, the MSRP will start at $375,000 - $500,000.00. But again, HIGHLY monitored to ensure these severely allocated cars go to the right people only. Almost like being selected by Mercedes Benz to buy one of their half million dollar cars!! And yes, my name is on the list....or on the list of buyers in my salesman's head. I WILL GET ONE!!!!
Just as I have every 'special' AMG model released,
This model will be the first car that will first be offered to current AMG GT owners, in writing, by their dealership before being available in dealerships to the general public. And while I had been offered the opportunity to order directly from the factory without a MB/AMG Rep or salesman,
My local dealership rep tells me they are forbidden from giving out info to anyone other than their best AMG customers. He stated no other models have ever generated the interest and internal discussion the AMG GT Black Series has generated, And yes, the MSRP will start at $375,000 - $500,000.00. But again, HIGHLY monitored to ensure these severely allocated cars go to the right people only. Almost like being selected by Mercedes Benz to buy one of their half million dollar cars!! And yes, my name is on the list....or on the list of buyers in my salesman's head. I WILL GET ONE!!!!
Just as I have every 'special' AMG model released,
01-26-2020, 07:44 AM
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How about some photos? Or are they in your head, like your BS order for the GT is in your salesman’s head?
01-26-2020, 08:15 AM
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I've been told by my German Factory Rep *I deal directly with MB in Germany for my cars...ordering & pick up* that the AMG GT Black will be allocated to those dealerships which have sold a pre determined number of AMGs and it will be available for order through those special dealerships only.
This model will be the first car that will first be offered to current AMG GT owners, in writing, by their dealership before being available in dealerships to the general public. And while I had been offered the opportunity to order directly from the factory without a MB/AMG Rep or salesman,
My local dealership rep tells me they are forbidden from giving out info to anyone other than their best AMG customers. He stated no other models have ever generated the interest and internal discussion the AMG GT Black Series has generated, And yes, the MSRP will start at $375,000 - $500,000.00. But again, HIGHLY monitored to ensure these severely allocated cars go to the right people only. Almost like being selected by Mercedes Benz to buy one of their half million dollar cars!! And yes, my name is on the list....or on the list of buyers in my salesman's head. I WILL GET ONE!!!!
Just as I have every 'special' AMG model released,
This model will be the first car that will first be offered to current AMG GT owners, in writing, by their dealership before being available in dealerships to the general public. And while I had been offered the opportunity to order directly from the factory without a MB/AMG Rep or salesman,
My local dealership rep tells me they are forbidden from giving out info to anyone other than their best AMG customers. He stated no other models have ever generated the interest and internal discussion the AMG GT Black Series has generated, And yes, the MSRP will start at $375,000 - $500,000.00. But again, HIGHLY monitored to ensure these severely allocated cars go to the right people only. Almost like being selected by Mercedes Benz to buy one of their half million dollar cars!! And yes, my name is on the list....or on the list of buyers in my salesman's head. I WILL GET ONE!!!!
Just as I have every 'special' AMG model released,
I'm very impressed!
Although a little bit disappointed you don't have a Chiron, Jesko, Huayra and Rimac in your personal fleet (maybe you ran out of space?).
I am also extremely impressed by your connections with MDB Deutschland, ordering direct bypassing MBUSA??? Wow, wow, wow!!
Even my buddy in LA who had probably 3 times as many AMG then myself (17) ever since the first C36 and has a confirmed order for the Project One, does not have connections like that...
We all here are small potatoes next to you, congratulations!
01-26-2020, 08:44 AM
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Cool story.
01-26-2020, 06:52 PM
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I've been told by my German Factory Rep *I deal directly with MB in Germany for my cars...ordering & pick up* that the AMG GT Black will be allocated to those dealerships which have sold a pre determined number of AMGs and it will be available for order through those special dealerships only.
This model will be the first car that will first be offered to current AMG GT owners, in writing, by their dealership before being available in dealerships to the general public. And while I had been offered the opportunity to order directly from the factory without a MB/AMG Rep or salesman,
My local dealership rep tells me they are forbidden from giving out info to anyone other than their best AMG customers. He stated no other models have ever generated the interest and internal discussion the AMG GT Black Series has generated, And yes, the MSRP will start at $375,000 - $500,000.00. But again, HIGHLY monitored to ensure these severely allocated cars go to the right people only. Almost like being selected by Mercedes Benz to buy one of their half million dollar cars!! And yes, my name is on the list....or on the list of buyers in my salesman's head. I WILL GET ONE!!!!
Just as I have every 'special' AMG model released,
This model will be the first car that will first be offered to current AMG GT owners, in writing, by their dealership before being available in dealerships to the general public. And while I had been offered the opportunity to order directly from the factory without a MB/AMG Rep or salesman,
My local dealership rep tells me they are forbidden from giving out info to anyone other than their best AMG customers. He stated no other models have ever generated the interest and internal discussion the AMG GT Black Series has generated, And yes, the MSRP will start at $375,000 - $500,000.00. But again, HIGHLY monitored to ensure these severely allocated cars go to the right people only. Almost like being selected by Mercedes Benz to buy one of their half million dollar cars!! And yes, my name is on the list....or on the list of buyers in my salesman's head. I WILL GET ONE!!!!
Just as I have every 'special' AMG model released,
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01-27-2020, 11:14 AM
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Ok I’ll try and outline MY UNDERSTANDING of the process for ordering all of these high end special Mercedes cars;
1. CONTRACT LAW 101 - Go to your dealer GM and offer to buy the GT Black.
2. Place a written and signed order by the GM or Sales Manager along with an agreed deposit (Customer/Buyer Offered and Dealer accepted)
3. Despite what you read here it is very important for you to know and understand the following;
A dealer order is just that an order that the dealer will sell you a car IF they have or will receive it.
ALL OFFICIAL ORDERS ARE MADE ONLINE BY THE DEALER AND OFFICIALLY ACCEPTED BY THE AMG FACTORY.
All factory accepted orders are assigned an order number that the factory and dealer use to track the build/ship process in the MB computer system in the plant in Germany.
IF YOU DON’T HAVE A ORDER NUMBER AND FACTORY ACCEPTANCE YOU DON’T HAVE A CAR ON ORDER.
As of the end of December the order system for the GT Black is closed with no officially known open date.
To date no Germany factory officially assigned GT Black dealer recepients have been identified.
To date their is no official Total number of Blacks to be built.
MY BEST GUESS is that by the end of the 1st quarter we will see some official information forthcoming FROM Germany.
ALSO, Please remember;
The build process takes about 4-6weeks from official start to finish and can be tracked through your dealer using your order number.
Unless things change radically for the better, plan on your completed car sitting at the MB VPC for another several months until the government plays nice and releases the car for delivery. (My GTR sat for over 7 months in the US less than 1 hour away before I could finally take delivery and buy it).
FWIW: Porsche and many other foreign imports experience the same delays year after year as well.
GOOD LUCK and I hope all of this insite helps.
1. CONTRACT LAW 101 - Go to your dealer GM and offer to buy the GT Black.
2. Place a written and signed order by the GM or Sales Manager along with an agreed deposit (Customer/Buyer Offered and Dealer accepted)
3. Despite what you read here it is very important for you to know and understand the following;
A dealer order is just that an order that the dealer will sell you a car IF they have or will receive it.
ALL OFFICIAL ORDERS ARE MADE ONLINE BY THE DEALER AND OFFICIALLY ACCEPTED BY THE AMG FACTORY.
All factory accepted orders are assigned an order number that the factory and dealer use to track the build/ship process in the MB computer system in the plant in Germany.
IF YOU DON’T HAVE A ORDER NUMBER AND FACTORY ACCEPTANCE YOU DON’T HAVE A CAR ON ORDER.
As of the end of December the order system for the GT Black is closed with no officially known open date.
To date no Germany factory officially assigned GT Black dealer recepients have been identified.
To date their is no official Total number of Blacks to be built.
MY BEST GUESS is that by the end of the 1st quarter we will see some official information forthcoming FROM Germany.
ALSO, Please remember;
The build process takes about 4-6weeks from official start to finish and can be tracked through your dealer using your order number.
Unless things change radically for the better, plan on your completed car sitting at the MB VPC for another several months until the government plays nice and releases the car for delivery. (My GTR sat for over 7 months in the US less than 1 hour away before I could finally take delivery and buy it).
FWIW: Porsche and many other foreign imports experience the same delays year after year as well.
GOOD LUCK and I hope all of this insite helps.
Absolutely no one in the world has a cast iron black series allocation because the order book is not open. Dealers can and will promise you whatever they like, it doesn't mean it will happen.
Apparently P1 owners will be offered allocations as a sorry because that car is so delayed. I've no idea if that's the truth or not but I've heard the same story from lots of sources.
I hope they all go to people that will drive the bollocks off them.
01-27-2020, 01:43 PM
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Heard the same thing from my GM. I had two dealers who agreed to put me in the top slot for a BS if I bought a Pro. (Pro's aren't selling and if you check out the new EVO magazine you'll see why in head to head with GT3rs). One said market adjustment of $100k on the BS. They will get it in Orange Co. CA.
I can't help think some of the F1 aero will filter to the BS. Don't underestimate AMG.
I can't help think some of the F1 aero will filter to the BS. Don't underestimate AMG.
01-27-2020, 02:30 PM
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Interesting comments lol.
The black dealership locally have already built up a list of AMG customers that are willing to buy one. They do not know how many they will receive and advised the will go down that list once they get an allocation. Most large dealerships probably already have such a list and you are probably a bit late to the party as I inquired about 2 years and I am #2 on that list.
If the prices thrown out here are remotely close, I will probably pass as a near new McLaren 720S for low 200s sound way more appealing...
The black dealership locally have already built up a list of AMG customers that are willing to buy one. They do not know how many they will receive and advised the will go down that list once they get an allocation. Most large dealerships probably already have such a list and you are probably a bit late to the party as I inquired about 2 years and I am #2 on that list.
If the prices thrown out here are remotely close, I will probably pass as a near new McLaren 720S for low 200s sound way more appealing...
01-27-2020, 02:50 PM
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Interesting comments lol.
The black dealership locally have already built up a list of AMG customers that are willing to buy one. They do not know how many they will receive and advised the will go down that list once they get an allocation. Most large dealerships probably already have such a list and you are probably a bit late to the party as I inquired about 2 years and I am #2 on that list.
If the prices thrown out here are remotely close, I will probably pass as a near new McLaren 720S for low 200s sound way more appealing...
The black dealership locally have already built up a list of AMG customers that are willing to buy one. They do not know how many they will receive and advised the will go down that list once they get an allocation. Most large dealerships probably already have such a list and you are probably a bit late to the party as I inquired about 2 years and I am #2 on that list.
If the prices thrown out here are remotely close, I will probably pass as a near new McLaren 720S for low 200s sound way more appealing...
01-27-2020, 06:45 PM
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[QUOTE=JSwan724;7938442]Ok I’ll try and outline MY UNDERSTANDING of the process for ordering all of these high end special Mercedes cars;
1. CONTRACT LAW 101 - Go to your dealer GM and offer to buy the GT Black.
2. Place a written and signed order by the GM or Sales Manager along with an agreed deposit (Customer/Buyer Offered and Dealer accepted)
Jerry, being that you are not contracting with AMG, The order has to include specifics about what number you are in that dealer allocation slot and if and when the dealer gets the build. At least that’s what I would demand.
I have to say that the black series is really looking like an incremental evolve vs last Black. Maybe not worth the time or the money.
1. CONTRACT LAW 101 - Go to your dealer GM and offer to buy the GT Black.
2. Place a written and signed order by the GM or Sales Manager along with an agreed deposit (Customer/Buyer Offered and Dealer accepted)
Jerry, being that you are not contracting with AMG, The order has to include specifics about what number you are in that dealer allocation slot and if and when the dealer gets the build. At least that’s what I would demand.
I have to say that the black series is really looking like an incremental evolve vs last Black. Maybe not worth the time or the money.
01-27-2020, 07:19 PM
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I think most people buying it are doing it as a future investment if the last Black Series is anything to go by.
Ok I’ll try and outline MY UNDERSTANDING of the process for ordering all of these high end special Mercedes cars;
1. CONTRACT LAW 101 - Go to your dealer GM and offer to buy the GT Black.
2. Place a written and signed order by the GM or Sales Manager along with an agreed deposit (Customer/Buyer Offered and Dealer accepted)
Jerry, being that you are not contracting with AMG, The order has to include specifics about what number you are in that dealer allocation slot and if and when the dealer gets the build. At least that’s what I would demand.
I have to say that the black series is really looking like an incremental evolve vs last Black. Maybe not worth the time or the money.
1. CONTRACT LAW 101 - Go to your dealer GM and offer to buy the GT Black.
2. Place a written and signed order by the GM or Sales Manager along with an agreed deposit (Customer/Buyer Offered and Dealer accepted)
Jerry, being that you are not contracting with AMG, The order has to include specifics about what number you are in that dealer allocation slot and if and when the dealer gets the build. At least that’s what I would demand.
I have to say that the black series is really looking like an incremental evolve vs last Black. Maybe not worth the time or the money.
01-27-2020, 07:21 PM
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Which, imo, is too bad. If I had the opportunity
to buy one I would drive/track the ever loving hell out of it. It would also be driven in the snow.
to buy one I would drive/track the ever loving hell out of it. It would also be driven in the snow.
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01-27-2020, 07:34 PM
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AMG17GT:
You know in these legal matters I always yield to your extensive legal expertise!! It’s what you do.... and get it signed by the dealer “Big Dog”) 👍👍😃
Best regards
Ok I’ll try and outline MY UNDERSTANDING of the process for ordering all of these high end special Mercedes cars;
1. CONTRACT LAW 101 - Go to your dealer GM and offer to buy the GT Black.
2. Place a written and signed order by the GM or Sales Manager along with an agreed deposit (Customer/Buyer Offered and Dealer accepted)
Jerry, being that you are not contracting with AMG, The order has to include specifics about what number you are in that dealer allocation slot and if and when the dealer gets the build. At least that’s what I would demand.
I have to say that the black series is really looking like an incremental evolve vs last Black. Maybe not worth the time or the money.
1. CONTRACT LAW 101 - Go to your dealer GM and offer to buy the GT Black.
2. Place a written and signed order by the GM or Sales Manager along with an agreed deposit (Customer/Buyer Offered and Dealer accepted)
Jerry, being that you are not contracting with AMG, The order has to include specifics about what number you are in that dealer allocation slot and if and when the dealer gets the build. At least that’s what I would demand.
I have to say that the black series is really looking like an incremental evolve vs last Black. Maybe not worth the time or the money.
AMG17GT:
You know in these legal matters I always yield to your extensive legal expertise!! It’s what you do.... and get it signed by the dealer “Big Dog”) 👍👍😃
Best regards
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01-27-2020, 11:24 PM
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Heard the same thing from my GM. I had two dealers who agreed to put me in the top slot for a BS if I bought a Pro. (Pro's aren't selling and if you check out the new EVO magazine you'll see why in head to head with GT3rs). One said market adjustment of $100k on the BS. They will get it in Orange Co. CA.
I can't help think some of the F1 aero will filter to the BS. Don't underestimate AMG.
I can't help think some of the F1 aero will filter to the BS. Don't underestimate AMG.
I think the PRO is underrated, and slap on some CUP R tires (like the RS did ), and you are under 7 minutes on N'Ring
01-27-2020, 11:28 PM
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What was so wrong with the EVO article? It was right there with the RS, If I remember 4.5 stars. Also, in the EVO car of the year finished second to Porsche GT4 a few points behind.
I think the PRO is underrated, and slap on some CUP R tires (like the RS did ), and you are under 7 minutes on N'Ring
I think the PRO is underrated, and slap on some CUP R tires (like the RS did ), and you are under 7 minutes on N'Ring
also, what tires did they run when the Pro ran the ring?
01-28-2020, 12:14 AM
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Humbly asking if anyone can help me understand the process of getting an allocation for the upcoming GT black series ?
Can you share senior contacts at AMG sales management ?
Among other AMG cars, I now have purchased at the same dealer and traded back to him :
2016 GTS, 2018 GTR.... I now own a 2020 GTR pro (Arrived 3 weeks ago).
My dealer was able to get the Pro allocation for me through a lucky golf outing with AMG management last year and mentioning my history and loyalty to the brand and GT models....
but no identified networking path for Black series. ...
any help or advice.?
very grateful.
Can you share senior contacts at AMG sales management ?
Among other AMG cars, I now have purchased at the same dealer and traded back to him :
2016 GTS, 2018 GTR.... I now own a 2020 GTR pro (Arrived 3 weeks ago).
My dealer was able to get the Pro allocation for me through a lucky golf outing with AMG management last year and mentioning my history and loyalty to the brand and GT models....
but no identified networking path for Black series. ...
any help or advice.?
very grateful.
In regards to the Black Series, only buy that car if you genuinely love it and want to drive it. If you buy it thinking it'll be some great investment like the SLS BS, you will be mistaken. The SLS BS is the ultra rare pinnacle of a extremely unique (and relatively rare) vehicle that represents a time gone by, never to be revisited.
In contrast, the AMG GTR BS will be the pinnacle of a mass produced model that had many derivatives to fill in the gap between base and Black Series. Not to mention that sales of the AMG GT were strong enough that a replacement generation is a high likelihood.
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01-28-2020, 06:37 AM
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What was so wrong with the EVO article? It was right there with the RS, If I remember 4.5 stars. Also, in the EVO car of the year finished second to Porsche GT4 a few points behind.
I think the PRO is underrated, and slap on some CUP R tires (like the RS did ), and you are under 7 minutes on N'Ring
I think the PRO is underrated, and slap on some CUP R tires (like the RS did ), and you are under 7 minutes on N'Ring
The only thing is that the PRO can't keep endlessly lapping like the RS can but on the flipside you can be more of a hooligan in the AMG.
Forgetting values, depreciation and availability I must admit I would take the Porsche but its very close. The reliability and the quality of the cage/harness/seat setup just edges it over the GTR's better cruising abilities and looks.
BS doesn't need to be faster than a GT2RS for me. Give me a mad wing, another 100 or so bhp and some decent seats and belts. That'll keep me happy.
01-28-2020, 01:25 PM
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I would never call someone out with such limited info like some have done on here. There are people on here who could buy your company and turn it into a parking lot and you never know who they are.
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01-28-2020, 03:04 PM
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I’ve asked a couple people to see if they can find out any more info and have requested to be on the list.
Long shot I’m sure but I live in a smaller place and have two 2020 AMGs.
I’ll report back if I get any information not already readily available. I got pitched hard at the immediate appreciation on the previous BS. I reminded him quickly that no car I own and drive will appreciate in value.
Anyway - more of a fact finding mission than anything. Figure many people across the world are probably in front of me.
Long shot I’m sure but I live in a smaller place and have two 2020 AMGs.
I’ll report back if I get any information not already readily available. I got pitched hard at the immediate appreciation on the previous BS. I reminded him quickly that no car I own and drive will appreciate in value.
Anyway - more of a fact finding mission than anything. Figure many people across the world are probably in front of me.
01-28-2020, 03:08 PM
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What was so wrong with the EVO article? It was right there with the RS, If I remember 4.5 stars. Also, in the EVO car of the year finished second to Porsche GT4 a few points behind.
I think the PRO is underrated, and slap on some CUP R tires (like the RS did ), and you are under 7 minutes on N'Ring
I think the PRO is underrated, and slap on some CUP R tires (like the RS did ), and you are under 7 minutes on N'Ring
Cheers
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Fairly certain that would have been the Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 ZP’s, which is the ROW option tyre that can’t be ordered on the GTR for the USA. For a true Apples to Apples comparison, the GTR Pro should be on a set of the new SC2 ‘R’ tyres which whilst they look like a ZP, have a different external and very quick compound. Unfortunately I don’t think they’re made in our sizes.
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