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Best case scenario would be to get back some depreciation on a long term hold (min. 10-15 years). Too many cars out there right now still.

 

Yeah but it’s the beginning of the end is the point.

I don’t believe they could market US cars versus the suffocated European car successfully. There will be compromises on all cars in terms of emissions.

 

They should do something about these cruise ships, transport ships, coal power plants too.

 

Yeah exactly. The cruise industry alone dwarfs all the vehicle emissions by several factors. Knew a guy who would always tell me how high performance vehicles should be banned. I showed him the data right before he left for his cruise and shut him up for the rest of all interactions with him lol.

 

Imagine a flagship AMG with a 4 banger. *shivers*

 

They are.

There are currently several refitted cruise and transport ships running on batteries.

There are also luxury yachts and a growing number of planes

The next few years should be very interesting.

Jerry

 

As of today, Jan 1st 2020, ships cannot use the nasty polluting sludge diesel they have been using. They all now need to use a higher quality diesel mix, similar to that used in trucks.

 

I'm not a big fan of the cruise industry. Went on a cruise years back to the Bahamas. Took a tender from the ship with some friends to Nassau. Was basically just a place where they were selling t-shirts, jewelry and trinkets. Once there, I realized I'd left my wallet on the dresser in the ship. Borrowed some money from my friend while we were in Nassau. When we got back my wallet was there with just a couple singles left in it. Had like $600 in cash which I was going to use to tip at the end of the cruise. It was someone from the ship who did it. Security came and investigated but nothing ever happened. My guess is they did find out, but didn't want it to leak out that an employee stole from a passenger. So what I did and my wife wasn't happy about. I told everyone I was suppose to tip why I wasn't tipping. So in the end it didn't cost me money. But it was a bummer thing to happen and I never went on a cruise again or had the inclination to do so.

 

Back to the topic of this thread - yes, indeed the current AMG GTs are the last of the breed! The next gen will be hybrid electric. That’s how they will reduce emissions - make the gas engine only come on for brief periods. It will also be quieter, because noise laws are also getting more harsh.

With the low volumes sold (Porsche produces several times more GTs than AMG), this generation of AMG GT will definitely hold its value. I’m not counting on an increase in value, but I think values will settle at $80-$100 for good quality examples in 10+ years.

 

I still don't see why some of you think this will positively impact current GTs, when they are still going to have the biturbo V8, just with mild hybrid assistance (not plug in hybrid tech), and an AWD which will still allow you to go into rear wheel drive via mode selection, especially if there isn't a significant exterior design difference.

Considering the news that the next GT R will have over 650hp and 700ft lbs, I could actually see it negatively affecting current GTs.

As far as GT Rs settling at $80-100k, that doesn't seem noteworthy or surprising, unless directly comparing it to normal MB models.

 

I don’t want a hybrid GT, And I suspect a lot of buyers will not as well, especially since it will be first generational.

a lot of traditional V8 guys went through the turbo transition, It’s not the same for the electric version.

 

You realize that all future cars will be at least partially electric, right? The value of the current gen is that it’s the last of the all-gas breed. Like the 993 911. That’s the point.

Also, the next gen will be quieter. So you’re not going to have the exhaust note you have now. 2020s
are already a bit quieter.

Finally, electric cars depreciate like a rock. It’s like buying a PC. No one wants decade old electric tech. And where do you find parts when that inverter goes after 10 years?! A hybrid AMG GT will certainly outperform the current gen, but in 8 years you’ll be lucky to get $50k for one.

All of the above are the reasons why the current gen is a great investment (not saying values will go above MSRP, just saying lower depreciation)

 

You're vastly overstating the scarcity of parts... How you figure that parts for one portion of the drivetrain will be any more or less common to source than any other parts baffles me, unless you are insinuating that MB will be defunct at some point in the near future.

Then again, I really don't see $80-100k pricing being newsworthy on mint GTRs. I mean, 08 R8s still trade for $55k+ with 50k miles, and those started life at $115k.


If you want an investment, buy an SLS, not a GT.


I do, and at least a few previous GT owners that I've talked with in person are excited for the change, along with the AWD setup. I can't imagine scoffing at a P1, 918, or LaFerrari, because they use hybrid assistance.

 

GTS models are already in the $60s. Maybe they'll quit dropping and hold there.

 

Mercedes does not make spare parts for more than 10-15 years. Where are you going to find bespoke parts for a hybrid drivetrain after that? The difference vs a gas engine is that the electronics are not repairable. And the car makers don’t publish the source code.

So your next gen AMG GT will be a massive paperweight when you can’t get spare parts anymore.

Regarding the R8 value comment - so? There are way more R8s made than AMG GTs. It’s all supply and demand. I’m not talking about R8 values.

 

Lmao, how many people here actually plan to keep their GTs for 10 to 15 years? Are you completely ignorant to just how many electrical systems currently control the GTC you own? You seem so very melodramatic.

These aren't collectors cars, no matter how much you wish they were. Again, if you want an investment, buy an SLS.




You better believe Im all for that. ​​​​​​​

 

I’m intending to be a holder on forever of my GTR. Like my raw 2010 C63, well driven and a legend. My cars are very well taken care of, pristine examples. For two reasons, 1. It gives me pleasure driving and owning a car that looks like it just rolled out of the showroom, kind of a challenge to prevent harsh aging and 2. Pass it on to my son, see how it’s regarded in 20 years. Just for kicks to see what it’s like to own last of the raw V8s during a time of batteries and brushless motors...


I don’t buy cars hoping to make money out of them at the other end. They become more of just a passion to own, drive, clean, maintain, and look at.

 

That’s your opinion. I think they will be collector cars - a well maintained GTC or GTR will be sought after. Even a GT/GTS. Again, for the reasons I mentioned above. Doesn’t seem like you “get it”.

You also don’t get that even if you sell after 10 years, the value of the next gen hybrid model will have plummeted. No one will be buying an electric GT for more 80% of the new value. So your call, if you don’t mind paying $200K and selling for $20K in 10 years.

 

That's awesome, and I'm sure your son will definitely appreciate that sentiment.

 

Plan on keeping the GTC Roadster forever along with our 13 CLS550 and our 09 R350. All are classics to me with the latter two probably becoming worthless in a few years, if not already lol. Doesn't matter, it is the story those cars hold. On the other hand, the GTC Roadster is the most gorgeous Merc made - only second to the 1955 300SL Gullwing. I admire the SLS, but it is not as gorgeous as the GT to me. The Black Series SLS, however, is on a whole new level, but I'm not gonna drop 600k on it.

Also Idk about value, but I wouldn't be surprised if it creeped up if the next generation has a pretty significant hybrid component. I dont bank on it, since the value is immeasurable to me as the GTC isn't gonna be sold.

 

It amazes me that car lovers tend to hate ‘progress’. There is certainly nothing wrong with loving the current generation of the GT variants, but look at the technology in the new NSX. It’s essentially a bargain basement La Ferrari re: technology. (I am NOT talking about value, sales, etc. Using those metrics the NSX has been a failure, primarily due to being far too expensive given the other car choices out there). But a new generation GT with a TT V8 and using three electric motors; (two on the front axle and one for torque fill betwixt the engine and transmission), would, (will?), be a staggering performance car. I can’t wait to see what the future holds.

As for keeping the current versions in pristine condition and loving them forever? Brilliant if that’s what an owner wants to do. But whilst I do believe these cars will have a floor that they won’t fall below re: price, there is no way that they will be considered an appreciating asset, except for perhaps the BS.

Bish

 

Hey Bish, the main point I was trying to make about the next gen is that it will depreciate like a rock, because of the hybrid drivetrain. Nothing can be done, I suppose, but we are all going to pay more for this - lease residuals will be a lot lower, as will losses on sale.

The electronics will simply not be repairable. And what’s different vs today’s electronics is that they are proprietary to each brand. So when the inverter fails on your 2022 AMG GT, it will cost a fortune to find a new one when MB stops making parts for it. This will even affect the first owner, as the 3 year lease residual will be lower than today’s cars.

This is the massive issue with the coming wave of electric cars.

 

I do expect used AMG GT variants to hit a price floor in the next few years, and probably start to rise in value in 20 years.

Regarding computers: the AMG GT already has a lot of proprietary computer components that can’t be easily recreated or sourced from other brands. Engine DME, BCM (body control module), Command infotainment, not to mention smaller microcontrollers for everything from the seats to the suspension.

What gives me hope is that as long as they’re not water damaged or voltage surged, automotive ECUs have proven to be quite long lasting. For example, take the W140 S class. Back when it came out, everyone lamented it being overly computerized, the first car with a CAN bus, etc. They have a lot of computers, but 20-30 years later, I rarely see or hear of computer failures on W140s. Things like SLS accumulators and biodegradable wiring harnesses go on them, but computer failures on cars like the W140 are rare. The most common failure on older computers from the W126 era is electrolytic capacitors failure, but the chemistry has improved since then, and they last a long time now (apart from ones affected by the “capacitor plague” incident of the early 2000s).

Given the track record of reliability for automotive grade solid state electronic components, I’m not too worried.

Now one difference between say the W140 and cars like the AMG GT would be the attrition rate. In the rare event that a W140 computer does fail, one can easily find a replacement from a junk yard. Most of the cars fell into the hands of owners could couldn’t care from them, they deteriorated and rusted away, and ended up in junk yards. This is unlikely to happen for the AMG GT because it’s unlikely to depreciate to nothingness the way an old S class does. If values stay relatively high, then they won’t be neglected and junked in large numbers, and used parts supply will be limited to crashed cars.

 

15-20 years ago if my TV took a dump I would have junked it. Recently my OLED TV began acting poorly so I googled the symptoms. A trip to ebay and a couple hours of my time to install a new main board and it works fine again for under $300. Cars and there problems have evolved a lot in the same way. I personally see no reason to fear the future of AMG.