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Would like to share information on Methanol Injection as it relates to the GT series. Please share any pics or suggestions how you installed your methanol/water injection system. The Weistec kit I ordered includes a tank mounted pump. It is quite large and noisy I imagine so I am trying to avoid mounting the pump inside the car. Also would like to see how you may have mounted the tank in the hatch. I will avoid using the washer fluid tank since it is quite small. I believe I would need at least 2-2.5 gallon capacity to last a track day session. This is only a guess though. Please share your methanol experiences with the AMG GT!
Have only used meth in straight line applications on other cars. Never even imagined I'd have enough capacity to last a track day with all the high RPMs.
Would like to share information on Methanol Injection as it relates to the GT series. Please share any pics or suggestions how you installed your methanol/water injection system. The Weistec kit I ordered includes a tank mounted pump. It is quite large and noisy I imagine so I am trying to avoid mounting the pump inside the car. Also would like to see how you may have mounted the tank in the hatch. I will avoid using the washer fluid tank since it is quite small. I believe I would need at least 2-2.5 gallon capacity to last a track day session. This is only a guess though. Please share your methanol experiences with the AMG GT!
If you are using methanol injection to spray post throttle body you are playing Russian roulette with your pistons. The intake manifold is not designed to flow a liquid even when vaporized.
You will need eight injectors placed in the manifold runners and a high pressure fuel pump to start, along with a proper management system to control the % of meth needed under varying loads..
A single injector is not the answer. You would be better off sourcing larger charge coolers and heat exchangers for track duty.
I'm not sure why you would want meth injection for track day. If it is quicker lap times you are chasing after, increasing hp on the straights will barely benefit at all, if not make you slower if you don't know how to handle the hp. You are much better off upgrading driver skill, tires, brakes, suspension, chassis, weight reduction, hell even pray for better weather condition before even thinking of touching hp.
When guys blow their expensive engines they are usually very quite..
Those who talk the most usually have the least to say.
For the record, many have run methanol injection for years with no issue. To each their own. If you believe it is hazardous, then I suggest you continue to take your own advice and leave modifications to the professionals. Which is the point of this thread. Feel free to continue to leave anecdotal comments that have no basis in real world experience. Based on previous comments, I can tell you only speak from conjecture. Best of luck to you my friend.
Those who talk the most usually have the least to say.
For the record, many have run methanol injection for years with no issue. To each their own. If you believe it is hazardous, then I suggest you continue to take your own advice and leave modifications to the professionals. Which is the point of this thread. Feel free to continue to leave anecdotal comments that have no basis in real world experience. Based on previous comments, I can tell you only speak from conjecture. Best of luck to you my friend.
Yeah I speak only from conjecture you say and I have no real basis to voice my opinion on the topic even though I have 50 yrs of automotive experience to base my opinions from...
Here is my last little fun project and the proper application of a dual fuel system..Compound charged setup, supercharger and turbo..
91 octane primary fuel system [black fuel rail] and Isopropyl Alcohol [green fuel rail] secondary high boost system.
The alcohol system is tuned to replace the proper % of 91 octane as the boost level rose above 20 psi. to a daily 36 psi. peak.
Just 680 whp from a 1.8 ltr. Toyota 2ZZ engine. That's 680 whp all day long not some dyno queen poser.
Or I could talk about my old Group B rally cars and their engine modifications..
Here is the same dual fuel setup on a Turbo only setup same 1.8 ltr. Toyota 2ZZ engine 680 whp.
I'll keep checking back to hear from the experts on Alcohol injection, best of luck to you my friend.
Last edited by ronin amg; Feb 14, 2020 at 02:16 AM.
Interesting way to fit 10lbs into a 5lb bag. Not a M178 but thanks for sharing.
It doesn't matter what turbo engine your working with the process remains the same... "Do it right or don't do it at all."
Happy to share experience ...
It doesn't matter what turbo engine your working with the process remains the same... "Do it right or don't do it at all."
Happy to share experience ...
Ronin if you are unable to directly answer a members question or add value can you refrain from replying? You're actions do not encourage others to contribute to this group. Soon enough this group will be as dead as the SLS thread and I don't think anyone wants to see that.
Ronin if you are unable to directly answer a members question or add value can you refrain from replying? You're actions do not encourage others to contribute to this group. Soon enough this group will be as dead as the SLS thread and I don't think anyone wants to see that.
I see reading comprehension is not in your wheel house...Now tell me what value have you added to this thread or can you just refrain from replying ?
It would be nice if others with any real hands on experience with methanol / alcohol injection on turbo motors were in his group.
Ya know people with real hands on experience not just check writers...
Now tell me how well this log style intake manifold will flow vaporized methanol into each cylinder equally ?
Last edited by ronin amg; Feb 14, 2020 at 01:10 PM.
The velocity of the air through the Throttle Body will send more air to the rear cylinders vs the front ones. Boost is "Increased Density per CFM" of air. If more cfm is available to the rear ports vs the front ports the rear ports will have more mass density, the fronts will be leaner, and will require more fuel at those locations. The intake manifold should not have any sharp turns because it can cause the heavier droplets of fuel [methanol] to separate from the air/fuel mixture..
Last edited by ronin amg; Feb 14, 2020 at 07:06 PM.
If more performance is the game ya gotta increase the efficiency of both the charge coolers and heat exchangers.
The engine ECU will do the rest to keep the air / fuel ratios under control since it sensing air density [hot vs cold].
It's just basic understanding of turbo / charge cooler setups..
So who makes a better charge cooler / heat exchanger for the GTS ?
Last edited by ronin amg; Feb 14, 2020 at 03:26 PM.
I wanted to update everyone on my water methanol install on my 2016 GTS used for track days. Usually, this type of power adder is reserved for drag racing or straight line applications. I haven’t seen it used in a road racing configuration, but thought it was worth trying. I was looking to maximize efficiency using the stock turbos.
I wanted to work out any bugs on the road first, then hit the track to give my honest and full review. Last week I FINALLY made it out to ACC in Joliet, IL. Long story short, the car performed fantastically. It was the perfect environment to test the system. 90F, fast track with sweepers and hard corners. I was concerned about sloshing in the methanol tank so I picked a larger size 2.5 gallon cell and stuck fuel cell foam in to minimize air getting into the system.
I spoke with Wisetech to help me calculate how much methanol would last during a full 20 minute stint. They thought I would be way under and have plenty with a 2.5 gallon tank. But with the foam block, it gets a little tricky to figure out. Full Send. I averaged 1 gallon per 20 minute session. No slosh, no fuel starvation. I am using the medium jets that come with the kit. It performed flawlessly. Engine and transmission temps never deviated from what I usually see on a track day. Oh, also set a PB with a 1:10.3 on the north track... almost got that 09! Was also the featured car on the photographers landing page.
What times are you getting for straight line acceleration? What mods? Tune and downpipes plus meth injection? Can you do a Dragy run? Any improvement in lap time can be attributed to other factors (driver factor, cooler air temp, correct tire pressures, etc), so it does not explicitly demonstrate the performance gained via meth injection.
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