amg gts vs W213 e 63s
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amg gts vs W213 e 63s
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I recently purchased a 2017 amg gts. My friend also purchased a 2019 e63s amg, and we have been comparing the two extensively (in terms of performance). The e63s will demolish the gts on straights (from a dig and rolling), while the e63s handling doesn't seem far off (of course I have yet to take both cars on a closed track yet). I know this is an apples to orange comparison, but for the few whom actually tracks the amg gts/e63s, how do you find the handling and driving performance between the two?
I recently purchased a 2017 amg gts. My friend also purchased a 2019 e63s amg, and we have been comparing the two extensively (in terms of performance). The e63s will demolish the gts on straights (from a dig and rolling), while the e63s handling doesn't seem far off (of course I have yet to take both cars on a closed track yet). I know this is an apples to orange comparison, but for the few whom actually tracks the amg gts/e63s, how do you find the handling and driving performance between the two?
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Your observations are spot on
Having owned and tracked both the E63s is very fast in a straight line. While it can corner, it cannot touch the turn in, speed and overall agility of the GTS/C and most definitely R. The other thing to remember is weight is your enemy at the track, even iffy you brought more horsepower and torque. The brake calipers are identical on both cars but the GTS/C/R has 2 piece fronts while the E does not until it goes ceramic and from experience don’t go ceramic if you plan on tracking.
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Well, lets hope that is the case, cause I am tempted to trade my gts for a E63s at this point! Not to mention the tuning potential of the e63s motor is much higher than the gts motor due to bigger turbos (eurocharged e85 ECU TUNE ONLY will allow car to run 10.40's)
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If you wanted to drag race, you should've done your research and got an AWD car. I'm not being a dick. I have a GTS and had a GT3 before this. These days they make Jeeps and Teslas that will destroy these sports cars drag racing.
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Of course the AWD E63 S would be quicker from a standstill than the RWD AMG GT S, but it doesn't sound right that the AMG GT S is slower from a rolling start where traction is not an issue. The AMG GT S is much lighter than the E63, and has a better power to weight ratio, despite the E63 S being more powerful. In Car and Driver's tests, their AMG GT S got a 127 mph quarter mile trap (and others on youtube have replicated 126/127 mph stock trap speeds) - this is just as quick or quicker than an E63 S, despite the E63 S launching better.
If your AMG GT S is "demolished" by an E63 S from a rolling start, the E63 S must not be stock, or your AMG GT S has something wrong with it preventing it from producing enough power.
The AMG GT S agility, steering sharpness, and grip limits should also be substantially better than the E63 S, at least when the suspension is in firm mode.
Some stock quarter mile times for reference:
If your AMG GT S is "demolished" by an E63 S from a rolling start, the E63 S must not be stock, or your AMG GT S has something wrong with it preventing it from producing enough power.
The AMG GT S agility, steering sharpness, and grip limits should also be substantially better than the E63 S, at least when the suspension is in firm mode.
Some stock quarter mile times for reference:
- Car and Driver: 11.2 @ 127 mph https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...mparison-test/
- Renntech: 11.3 @ 127.7 mph
- Weistec: 11.4 @ 126 mph
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Car and Driver got 128 mph for the GT C, but it launched very poorly compared to their GT S test, so it's not directly comparable. My guess is that they would have achieved 130 mph with a perfect surface and launch.
I haven't seen any stock baseline run videos of the GT C or GT R by tuning companies. I suspect the GT S power is underrated more than the GT C and GT R, though they're all underrated. The GT C is also heavier than the GT S, so that also contributes to the difference being smaller than the horsepower ratings suggest.
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Funny enough...
Went out for a quick ride with a buddy this week in our cars. His is a tuned E63s and mine a stock GTC... on the highway from a roll it was pretty close. I was pulling away slowly... I’m sure if mine was tuned that likely there would be a bigger gap only on a roll. From a stop he’s gonna take it everyday all day
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Sorry, what I mean't was gts will get demolished from a standing start, e63s and gts are equal from a roll.
That being said, I originally thought the gts, being amg's top of the line model, will outperform the e63s on the straight line from standing and rolling (assuming on a warm dry surface). What happens when we race is that both cars have the same acceleration, so the e63s wins due to AWD (from rolling they are very equal). I am just confused as to why amg will have an e class sedan beat a gts in a drag race.
My limited experience with the handling on the e63s is that it is not far off the gts. But from what I'm getting from others whom had much more experience driving both cars is that the gts handling is world's better than the e63s?
That being said, I originally thought the gts, being amg's top of the line model, will outperform the e63s on the straight line from standing and rolling (assuming on a warm dry surface). What happens when we race is that both cars have the same acceleration, so the e63s wins due to AWD (from rolling they are very equal). I am just confused as to why amg will have an e class sedan beat a gts in a drag race.
My limited experience with the handling on the e63s is that it is not far off the gts. But from what I'm getting from others whom had much more experience driving both cars is that the gts handling is world's better than the e63s?
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Sorry, what I mean't was gts will get demolished from a standing start, e63s and gts are equal from a roll.
That being said, I originally thought the gts, being amg's top of the line model, will outperform the e63s on the straight line from standing and rolling (assuming on a warm dry surface). What happens when we race is that both cars have the same acceleration, so the e63s wins due to AWD (from rolling they are very equal). I am just confused as to why amg will have an e class sedan beat a gts in a drag race.
My limited experience with the handling on the e63s is that it is not far off the gts. But from what I'm getting from others whom had much more experience driving both cars is that the gts handling is world's better than the e63s?
That being said, I originally thought the gts, being amg's top of the line model, will outperform the e63s on the straight line from standing and rolling (assuming on a warm dry surface). What happens when we race is that both cars have the same acceleration, so the e63s wins due to AWD (from rolling they are very equal). I am just confused as to why amg will have an e class sedan beat a gts in a drag race.
My limited experience with the handling on the e63s is that it is not far off the gts. But from what I'm getting from others whom had much more experience driving both cars is that the gts handling is world's better than the e63s?
The GTS is faster than the e63 after 60mph and vastly outhandles, stops and pulls in and out of corners much faster than the e63 while also being lots more fun. The e63 while being a world beater is not in the GTS league in all other performance metrics.
having said all of that, on the “dragy” app, I was able to run off a 0-60 at 3.6 qm at 10.8 at 137 With no launch control on a zero crowded public freeway during the lockdown. No warm up on the tires, non prepped surface. But my car has a stage 2 DME tune. I only did the 1 run so I don’t know if I can improve on it or not.
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It's not at all surprising, you're going to lose off the line to a number of super sedans, m5/RS7 included. I'd still take the GT lineup over all three of the cars, hands down, every day of the week. Seems like a very silly comparison.
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Sorry, what I mean't was gts will get demolished from a standing start, e63s and gts are equal from a roll.
That being said, I originally thought the gts, being amg's top of the line model, will outperform the e63s on the straight line from standing and rolling (assuming on a warm dry surface). What happens when we race is that both cars have the same acceleration, so the e63s wins due to AWD (from rolling they are very equal). I am just confused as to why amg will have an e class sedan beat a gts in a drag race.
My limited experience with the handling on the e63s is that it is not far off the gts. But from what I'm getting from others whom had much more experience driving both cars is that the gts handling is world's better than the e63s?
That being said, I originally thought the gts, being amg's top of the line model, will outperform the e63s on the straight line from standing and rolling (assuming on a warm dry surface). What happens when we race is that both cars have the same acceleration, so the e63s wins due to AWD (from rolling they are very equal). I am just confused as to why amg will have an e class sedan beat a gts in a drag race.
My limited experience with the handling on the e63s is that it is not far off the gts. But from what I'm getting from others whom had much more experience driving both cars is that the gts handling is world's better than the e63s?
One thing that helps me get out of that trap is recognizing that straight-line speed just one dimension of what makes a car fun to drive. If you take into account all the other dimensions (driving dynamics such as handling, responsiveness, adaptability from comfort to sport, exhaust note, exterior looks, interior feel, sense of occasion etc.) I think the GT-S absolutely comes out in the top of Mercedes line-up, under only the GTR and its special editions.
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Sorry, what I mean't was gts will get demolished from a standing start, e63s and gts are equal from a roll.
That being said, I originally thought the gts, being amg's top of the line model, will outperform the e63s on the straight line from standing and rolling (assuming on a warm dry surface). What happens when we race is that both cars have the same acceleration, so the e63s wins due to AWD (from rolling they are very equal). I am just confused as to why amg will have an e class sedan beat a gts in a drag race.
My limited experience with the handling on the e63s is that it is not far off the gts. But from what I'm getting from others whom had much more experience driving both cars is that the gts handling is world's better than the e63s?
That being said, I originally thought the gts, being amg's top of the line model, will outperform the e63s on the straight line from standing and rolling (assuming on a warm dry surface). What happens when we race is that both cars have the same acceleration, so the e63s wins due to AWD (from rolling they are very equal). I am just confused as to why amg will have an e class sedan beat a gts in a drag race.
My limited experience with the handling on the e63s is that it is not far off the gts. But from what I'm getting from others whom had much more experience driving both cars is that the gts handling is world's better than the e63s?
With similar tires, and in race mode for optimal chassis/steering tuning, the GT S would brake better, have higher cornering limits, sharper steering, and better agility. The braking and grip differences can only be really experienced on track, but the steering and agility difference can be felt on the road. Put your AMG GT S in Race mode, and make some small but sudden steering movements (like you’re dodging potholes) above 80km/h (50 mph), and note how sharp the steering feels, and how unflappable the chassis remains. The E63S, while good, can’t match this chassis sharpness and agility.
In the end, if you want a car that’s unbeatable in a straight line at street speeds, and aren’t looking for the lighter weight, agility, and track performance of a sports car, get a Tesla Model S Performance or a Porsche Taycan Turbo / Turbo S. They’ll both easily beat the E63S and AMG GT S in a straight line from a roll and a stop, they’ll always be in the right gear, and the Porsche would also have handling and interior quality comparable to the E63S.
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Yeah according to the draggy. I don’t know how accurate those are. Also it was on a -004 or -040 decline on the freeway and standing start from the side of the road. Kinda childish and would never do that in normal traffic or any traffic, but these days with a clear road it was safe. I don’t want anyone getting the wrong idea about it.
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Yeah according to the draggy. I don’t know how accurate those are. Also it was on a -004 or -040 decline on the freeway and standing start from the side of the road. Kinda childish and would never do that in normal traffic or any traffic, but these days with a clear road it was safe. I don’t want anyone getting the wrong idea about it.
Dragy tends to be very accurate from what I’ve seen and personally tested at the track. However, 137 mph does not seem plausible for a Stage 2 car, unless you were running at -2000 DA.
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Yes, it would be great to post your mods and your Dragy times. 10.8 at 137 mph is extremely fast for this car, I would say with better tires and launch you can take the Huracan!
