Goatman

Amsoil, the FIRST in synthetics and still the best.

Untertürkheim

I can not find a 229.5 oil from Amsoil. The only oil I could find with an MB 229 approval was the 5w-40, but that was 229.51, a low SAPS DPF oil.

The OP needs 229.5, not .51

Goatman

I'm sure they have one... Just need to make a phone call....


I'm glad this thread seems to have shed some of the morons.

Untertürkheim

Actually, the API rating is meaningless in this case:

http://www.lubrizol.com/acea2008/RPintroduction.asp

The MB specs are so far beyond anything API rates, there is no value whatsoever to their ratings.

Goatman

Its amazing the king had a thread that didn't go his way, yet he can't get it locked down... No wonder he hides his real UN....

I love it!

Any decent diesel oil has extra surfactants and detergents in it to handle the extra contaminants.


The Amsoil oils have long exceeded all of the diesel manufacturers standards in that regard.

An oil has two purposes when it comes right down to it:

A. To keep bearings and metal separated.

B. Convey contaminants to the filter.



And that's the book on engine oils!

Untertürkheim

Any news on a 229.5 oil?

240D 3.0T

Amsoil, the FIRST buyer of synthetics from Mobil and still the best at reselling it to uninformed customers.

Oil filters are the only decent thing they actually make.

curlytom

For some strange reason I’m finding this thread fun to read. Probably because of Goatman’s stubbornly blind loyalty to Amsoil…it almost seems that these folks are brainwashed when they join the Amsoil cult. It’s cheerleading like that, that really turns me off on even thinking about trying Amsoil oil.
But keep writing, I’m enjoying myself…I bet the OP didn’t have a clue he was opening this can of worms

Goatman

Blind loyalty? How about two domestic work/service trucks with 238K and 295K (when I sold it) on original motors (one on the original trans) with Amsoil products..


Ask these chumps if they've removed their heads from their hind parts long enough to try a product long term before they bash it. Ask any of these chumps if they have any experience in high HP racing/pulling applications that tax even a real good oil, or have they sat on their couches for the last 10 years or driving look alike Volvo's with tri-stars on the hoods.


I know I built, owned, maintained and raced a 700hp drag race car... I know I have at least two friends that hold, or have held national records in the NMCA or SSO fastest street car shootouts. I know I ran a Fastest Street Car Shootout at New England Dragway for a year...


Short answer is: Not a chance for ANY of them.


When in doubt, go with the guy who whips that *** and has done a few things that matter.

harkgar

Mr. Goatman,

Are you fabricating your Goat LS2, 4 speed electronic package all by yourself? I have read about enthusiast equipping Volvo rear wheel drive cars with Ford 302 engines and manual boxes with commercially available kits.

jamieh

The oil to be used in a OM606 is on the Merc Sheet 229.1
Not 229.3 or 229.5 as stated above.

jamieh

MB sheet 229.1 approved oils
for passenger cars with gas and diesel engines, used to be minimum spec for latest (98+) engines, high detergent, dispersant spec suitable for normal drain intervals. Based on ACEA A3, B3. Note 229.1 oils are not recommended for MB's latest (2002+) 4 valve gas M271, M275, M285 and diesel OM646, OM647, OM648 engines.
Aral Super Elastic 0W-40 Unal
Aral Extra Turboral 0W-40 Unal
Aral BasicTronic 10W-40
Aral SuperTronic 0W-40
Aral HighTronic 5W-40
Aviasynth 5W-40
Avia Turbo CFE 10W-40
BP Visco 5000
Castrol GTD Magnatec 10W-40
Castrol GTX5 Magnatec 10W-40
Castrol GTX3 15W-40, 15W-50, 20W-50, 10W-40
Castrol GTX2 15W-50
Castrol GTX 15W-50
Castrol GXL 10W-40 ACEA A3/B3
Castrol Formula RS 0W-40
Castrol GTX3 Professional 15W-40 (Castrol's best mineral oil)
Castrol GTD 505 01 TOPUP 5W-30
Chevron Supreme SAE 5W-40
Chevron Supreme Semi-Synthetic SAE 10W-40
Elf Excellium 0W-40
Elf Synthese
Esso Ultra
Esso Uniflo
Fuchs Titan Supersyn SL 0W-30, 0W-40, 5W-40
Fuchs Titan UNIC MC 10W-40
Fuchs Titan UNIC Plus MC 10W-40
Havoline Synthetic 5W-40
Havoline Formula3 X1 Extra 10W-40
Havoline Formula3 X1 Diesel Extra 10W-40
Hellas Super Synto 0W-40
Hellas Hermes Plus 15W-50
Kendall Motor Oil Elite 0W-40
Liqui Moly Diesel Synthoil 5W-40
Liqui Moly High Tech 5W-40
Liqui Moly HC7 5W-40
Mobil 1 with SuperSyn 15W-50
Mobil 1 TriSynthetic 5W-50, 15W-50, 0W-40, 5W-40 (100% synthetic)
Mobil Super M 15W-40 (mineral)
Mobil Super S 5W-40 and 10W-40 (mineral w/ synth additives)
Motul 6100 Synergie 10W-40
Motul 4100 Turbolight 10W-40
Pentosin Pentosynth TS 10W-40
Pentosin Pentosynth 5W-40
Pentosin Pentoturbo 15W-40
Pentosin Diesel 10W-40
P.O. Zirve
P.O. Zirve Ekstra
Pennzoil Synthetic European Formulation 5W-40
Performanx Full Synthetic Motor Oil 5W-40
Schaeffer Micron Moly 5W-30
Schaeffer Micron Moly 10W-40
Schaeffer Supreme 7000 10W-30
76 Pure Synthetic Motor Oil 5W-40
Shell Helix Ultra 5W-30
Shell Helix Plus 5W-40
Shell Super Motor Oil 10W-40
Sunoco Forza SAE 15W-40
Ultra Turbo Semi-Synthetic Motor Oil 0W-40
Valvoline All Fleet Extra 15W-40, 20W-50, 10W-40
Valvoline SynPower
Veedol SUPER X-TRON 10W-40
Veedol SUPER X 15W-40

jamieh

***However the 229.3 Sheet includes the OM600 Series***

MB sheet 229.3 approved oils
for passenger cars with gas and diesel engines with extended drain interval indicator FSS up to 20,000 km, or 40,000 km - 25,000 mi, current minimum spec for 1998+ MB engines, min. 1.0% fuel saving compared to 229.1, based on ACEA A3 B4. For gas engine of the M100 series, gas engines of the M200 series and diesel engines of the OM600 series (not models with diesel particulate filter).
AGIP EXTRA HTS 5W-40
AGIP Synthetic PC 0W-40
AGIP Eurosport 0W-40
Amsoil 5W-30 Synthetic Motor Oil
Amsoil 10W-30 Synthetic
Amsoil Series 3000 5W-30 Heavy Duty Diesel
Aral HighTronic 5W-40
Aral SuperSynth 0W-40
Aral Super Tronic 0W-40
Aviasynth 0W-40
Castrol DCO TOPUP SAE 0W-30
Castrol Formula RS Road and Track 5W-40
Castrol GTX7 DYNATEC 5W-40
Castrol Formula SLX 0W-30
Castrol TXT SOFTEC PLUS 5W-30
CIFAB Synthoil Hydrocrack HC7 5W-40
Elf Excellium LDX SAE 5W-40
Esso Ultron 0W-30 (fuel economy)
Esso Ultron 5W-40
Fuchs Silkolene Pro S 5W-40 - 100% Synthetic Oil For All Race Engines
Fuchs Silkolene Pro S 10W-50 - 100% Synthetic Oil For All Race Engines
Fuchs Titan SuperSyn SL 0W-30
Havoline Synthetic DS 0W-30
Kendall GT-1 Full Synthetic 5W-40
Liqui Moly Diesel Synthoil 5W-40
Liqui Moly High Tech 5W-40
Liqui Moly HC7 5W-40
LUKOIL SYNTEETIK 5W-40
Mobil 1 SuperSyn European Car Formula 0W-40
Mobil 1 SuperSyn 5W-40
Mobil 1 SuperSyn 5W-50
Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel 0W-40
Mobil Synt S 5W-40
Mobil Synt S Turbo Diesel 5W-40
Mobil Syst S 5W-40
Motul 8100 E-Tech 0W-40
Motul 8100 X-cess 5W-40
Pennzoil Synthetic European Formulation 5W-40
Pentosin Pentospeed 0W-30 VS
Q8 Formula Excel 5W-40
Quaker State Full Synthetic European Formulation 5W-40
Schaeffer Micron Moly 5W-30, 10W-40
Schaeffer Supreme 7000 5W-30, 10W-30, 20W-50
76 Pure Synthetic Motor Oil 5W-40
Shell Helix Plus S 5W-40 (Mercedes-Benz)
Shell Helix Ultra 5W-30, 0W-40, 5W-40
Sunoco Synturo Gold 5W-40 (introduced January 2002)
Total FINA First 5W-40
Total Quartz 9000 5W-40
Valvoline DuraBlend MXL 5W-40
Valvoline SynPower MXL 0W-30
Valvoline SynPower 5W-30, 0W-40, 5W-40
Veedol POWERTRON 5W-30
Veedol SYNTRON 0W-30

Untertürkheim

Sorry, not true. MB says all cars (except those with DPF) should use 229.5 or 229.3 oils.

229.3 actually replaced 229.1, instead of superceding it.

Of course, those that require 229.5 can only use that.

Goatman

Pretty much. With a little help from my friends when I need it.


I have the motor and trans in the chassis already.

Goatman

I haven't had a minute my friend, work is crazy busy right now. I can't believe it!

Goatman

How come no one is talking about the cost SAVINGS that an extended drain oil like Amsoil provides?


On this thread alone we've seen at least one BS artist say his customers will pay $60,000++++ for a car, but Amsoil is "too expensive", how come no one is talking about how MUCH MONEY you save when using the product?

Not to mention the positive effect using Amsoil has on the environment.....

harkgar

Photos please.

I cannot even change oil. I stand by while my mechanic does it for me. Too old. Too weak (arthritis) and too lazy.

However, I am an enthusiast from when I was 21. Money constraints dictated that I drove crappy cars. Now I can afford to drive MB cars I cannot fully enjoy them. I have a 2500 Suburban which I enjoy a lot. It was my wife's truck and we take it down to the US mainly the Big Apple and the east. It is the best vehicle for group travel. It is our fourth or fifth Sub. I just wish GM would put in a Duramax diesel with Allison 5 speed in without all the emission crap. You do not have to be a Ford, GM or Dodge guy. Enjoy what is best at the price.

harkgar

Let this old guy put a word in. If you had spent big bucks buying MB products then you should maintain them. Unless Mercedes is lying to us then what it recommends for oil changes should be adhered to. Unless there is a great price advantage we should stick to the MB recommended oils.

Goatman

GM didn't put the Allsion in the Suburbans because it wouldn't fit in the floor pans... No other trans would hold up to the torque reliably.

Goatman

A couple different pics...


I haven't taken any pics of the car recently, because its been in so many pieces. However, by the end of next month, it will be out of the garage I'm currently renting and back at my house, where I can hopefully work on it with more frequency.

I also have all the wheels, front suspension and Z06 brakes on the car now.

Untertürkheim

Thank you!

uberwgn

for 1998 - 2004 Mercedes-Benz cars:

Untertürkheim

The list of oils is in fact much longer, the best ones are not even on there!

Goatman

And you won't find Amsoil on any of them because they don't align themselves with the manufacturers... Mobil 1 15K can actually go longer, but they stopped advertising it due to pressure from the OEM's..



25K in between oil changes isn't good for the service departments....