My new 2010 E Class coupe is a disappointment
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My new 2010 E Class coupe is a disappointment
I picked up my palladium E550 C 4 weeks ago. Since then it has been in the shop for a week ....
due to a Driver's seatbelt sensing module fault, and ... incessant problems
with Linguatronic/phone system.....Parktronic alarm....
I can't wait to hear how all this is my own fault somehow....
As a loyal MB owner for the last 26 years (19 cars MB cars purchased) I SEE
things are just not the same at Mercedes Benz these days...
due to a Driver's seatbelt sensing module fault, and ... incessant problems
with Linguatronic/phone system.....Parktronic alarm....
I can't wait to hear how all this is my own fault somehow....
As a loyal MB owner for the last 26 years (19 cars MB cars purchased) I SEE
things are just not the same at Mercedes Benz these days...
replaced the the (now) rear (moved from the front) sensors, with a set of 4
new ones. The "hot" new software fix from Germany did not sovle the
problem. Initially I was getting the sudden, unexplained Parktronic audio
and visual alarm only in the front, but after swapping the sensors front to
back, and uploading this new software, I was getting the alarm also in the rear.
So now I am left with the embarrassing Navigation system (a $200 Garmin
Nuvi shows the approaching cross street names, unlike the MB OE Navi), and
a completely useless Linguatronic that cannot recognize the names I stored,
even if I play them back from my Dictaphone. Not to mention the lack of any
traffic info overlay on the Navigation Maps.
And like I thought, the GM of my dealership DOES think all this is my own
fault...."bad karma" - he says!.
Well here you are, while I like the way it dives, handles, and the sweet V8, I
am not a happy owner....
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That's not too many issues... It is new to the market ... it is also a gorgeous car.
Built in Sat navs never compare to portable ones ( for some stupid reason) even though they cost more.
Sorry to hear you're unhappy. Give it more time though !
Built in Sat navs never compare to portable ones ( for some stupid reason) even though they cost more.
Sorry to hear you're unhappy. Give it more time though !
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My new 2010 E Class coupe is a disappointment
How is your Navigation working in Clagary? When you are in the map mode, do
you have all the street names displayed? How about the upoming cross street?
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MBStar,
What other OEM Nav systems have you used that showed every cross street? I currently have an Acura (looking to pick up a E550 Coupe) and Acura has always had one of the better Nav systems. It does not show the street name for each upcoming cross street unless I am zoomed ALL the way in to such a level that I would lose sight of where I was going on the map.
What other OEM Nav systems have you used that showed every cross street? I currently have an Acura (looking to pick up a E550 Coupe) and Acura has always had one of the better Nav systems. It does not show the street name for each upcoming cross street unless I am zoomed ALL the way in to such a level that I would lose sight of where I was going on the map.
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Nav works pretty good as far as i know. and you are right! not all the street name displays it. but then again, if you zoom in far enough they will show.
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MBStar,
What other OEM Nav systems have you used that showed every cross street? I currently have an Acura
(looking to pick up a E550 Coupe) and Acura has always had one of the better Nav systems.
It does not show the street name for each upcoming cross street unless
I am zoomed ALL the way in to such a level that I would lose sight of where I was going on the map.
What other OEM Nav systems have you used that showed every cross street? I currently have an Acura
(looking to pick up a E550 Coupe) and Acura has always had one of the better Nav systems.
It does not show the street name for each upcoming cross street unless
I am zoomed ALL the way in to such a level that I would lose sight of where I was going on the map.
so I have limited experience with other cars. My CL550 (C216)
showed most close by street names at one zoom level or another, just like your Acura.
My wife has a honda product and all the nearby street names and also the name of the next upcoming
streets will dispaly depending on the zoom level.
My E550C shows virtually no street names at ANY zoom level, and certainly no
upcoming cross street names at ANY zoom level.
See the picture of my NAV:
https://mbworld.org/forums/e-class-w...ml#post3781017
E550-Coupe, would you verify/confirm that when you zoom in, all the nearby street names show up?
I would really appreciate it! Thanks very much.
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Correct....Best option is to change the whole Navigation system under warranty instead of repairing it again & again.. You have a right!!
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Stogie 1020, I hate to admit it, but I have been a loyal MB owner (19 cars since 1986)
so I have limited experience with other cars. My CL550 (C216)
showed most close by street names at one zoom level or another, just like your Acura.
My wife has a honda product and all the nearby street names and also the name of the next upcoming
streets will dispaly depending on the zoom level.
My E550C shows virtually no street names at ANY zoom level, and certainly no
upcoming cross street names at ANY zoom level.
See the picture of my NAV:
https://mbworld.org/forums/e-class-w...ml#post3781017
E550-Coupe, would you verify/confirm that when you zoom in, all the nearby street names show up?
I would really appreciate it! Thanks very much.
so I have limited experience with other cars. My CL550 (C216)
showed most close by street names at one zoom level or another, just like your Acura.
My wife has a honda product and all the nearby street names and also the name of the next upcoming
streets will dispaly depending on the zoom level.
My E550C shows virtually no street names at ANY zoom level, and certainly no
upcoming cross street names at ANY zoom level.
See the picture of my NAV:
https://mbworld.org/forums/e-class-w...ml#post3781017
E550-Coupe, would you verify/confirm that when you zoom in, all the nearby street names show up?
I would really appreciate it! Thanks very much.
sorry for the late reply,
i checked my nav, and calgary street is named after numbers. like 1st SW, 59 Ave etc... and it shows up pretty good. but i did notice that if street name is long like university Ave, then i doesn't show. i'd better check with dealer about that.
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Why should I have to drive from dealer to dealer with a 3 week old Mercedes?
Maybe my Navis is defect, but MB says it is not. They know they have very
poor Navi and at best can hope that Navteq (which I believe provides the Navi maps)
will produce a fix in a year or two
Besides, you are located in Mercedes Land, home of some of the strongest
automotive consumer protection legislation. My friends in Berlin tell me that had this problem
occured for the third time, they would have left the keys at the dealer
and got their money back. With that for incentive, the manufacturers
take service satisfaction to a different level.
In this country though, it is different - the arbitration process is run and funded by the
manufacturers "association", it is cumbersome, and stacked against the consumer.
So arrogance prvails: "there can't anything wrong with the MERCEDES, so it
is the customers unreasonable expectation, sick imagination or more likely,
His FAULT!"
Having said that, I still drive a Mercedes!
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I wouldn't criticize a car for bad OE Nav because I think $200 Garmins are better than all the ones from the car manufacturers. For me personally, the OE Nav units are more eye candy than useful. Larger screens but not as useful as portable GPS units. Most of the time, just using Google Maps on my cell phone is good enough and accurate.
I think the problem with the OE ones in cars is that they stay the same for 5 years and even though the 2010 E's Nav is new, it's probably from a design started 3 years ago, not yearly updated like Garmin. Can you imagine using a 3-4 year old Garmin and trying to compare it to this year's model? I think this technology is changing too fast for car manufacturers to provide state of the art.
I think the problem with the OE ones in cars is that they stay the same for 5 years and even though the 2010 E's Nav is new, it's probably from a design started 3 years ago, not yearly updated like Garmin. Can you imagine using a 3-4 year old Garmin and trying to compare it to this year's model? I think this technology is changing too fast for car manufacturers to provide state of the art.
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I wouldn't criticize a car for bad OE Nav because I think $200 Garmins are better than all the ones from the car manufacturers. For me personally, the OE Nav units are more eye candy than useful. Larger screens but not as useful as portable GPS units. Most of the time, just using Google Maps on my cell phone is good enough and accurate.
To balance the picture, I think the Distronic Plus is amazing. Every time the
alarm went on it beat me by a split second in predicting a potential collision.
And all that without a single false alarm. Distronic is a an example of Mercedes'
technical leadeship and its supremacy in the Auto Land. That is what
Mercedes shold be like! This feature is worth the money I paid for it,
and in this respect I am a staisfied customer!
So, if Mercedes can produce such a an mazing piece of electronic
wizardry, why are they asking all of us to put up with the under engineered Navi?
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You have a point, in a way: A car is should not be judged by the Navi alone! Granted!
To balance the picture, I think the Distronic Plus is amazing. Every time the
alarm went on it beat me by a split second in predicting a potential collision.
And all that without a single false alarm. Distronic is a an example of Mercedes'
technical leadeship and its supremacy in the Auto Land. That is what
Mercedes shold be like! This feature is worth the money I paid for it,
and in this respect I am a staisfied customer!
So, if Mercedes can produce such a an mazing piece of electronic
wizardry, why are they asking all of us to put up with the under engineered Navi?
To balance the picture, I think the Distronic Plus is amazing. Every time the
alarm went on it beat me by a split second in predicting a potential collision.
And all that without a single false alarm. Distronic is a an example of Mercedes'
technical leadeship and its supremacy in the Auto Land. That is what
Mercedes shold be like! This feature is worth the money I paid for it,
and in this respect I am a staisfied customer!
So, if Mercedes can produce such a an mazing piece of electronic
wizardry, why are they asking all of us to put up with the under engineered Navi?
Personally if you want the best Navigation system I would not look at car companies but technology based companies that either specialize in making Navigations (Garmin) or technology companies like Google.
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Change your navi setting and don't use "Perspective" mode... that will solve your missing street name issue.
Change your navi setting and don't use "Perspective" mode... that will solve your missing street name issue.
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Any one with Keyless Go Problems on the E Coupe or Sedan?
And it keeps on DISAPPOINTING:
My Keyless Go fails when cold apparently due to a
battery voltage drop in the cold. They claim it is due to my "driving style":
short work - home trips which do not charge the battery properly.
So this low voltage shuts off my Keless GO!
Yet it works fine after I click the car open / locked with a key, and none of
my previous MB cars' Keless Go failed like that, and there is enough juice to
start and get all the systems to work as soon as I start the car.
And so they say the car "behaves as designed"....That may be the case but I
am sure it is not the way they meant it to behave. But no, "you have to get
used to it Sir!" A marvel of engineering!
What a load of crap that is!
My Keyless Go fails when cold apparently due to a
battery voltage drop in the cold. They claim it is due to my "driving style":
short work - home trips which do not charge the battery properly.
So this low voltage shuts off my Keless GO!
Yet it works fine after I click the car open / locked with a key, and none of
my previous MB cars' Keless Go failed like that, and there is enough juice to
start and get all the systems to work as soon as I start the car.
And so they say the car "behaves as designed"....That may be the case but I
am sure it is not the way they meant it to behave. But no, "you have to get
used to it Sir!" A marvel of engineering!
What a load of crap that is!
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And it keeps on DISAPPOINTING:
My Keyless Go fails when cold apparently due to a
battery voltage drop in the cold. They claim it is due to my "driving style":
short work - home trips which do not charge the battery properly.
So this low voltage shuts off my Keless GO!
Yet it works fine after I click the car open / locked with a key, and none of
my previous MB cars' Keless Go failed like that, and there is enough juice to
start and get all the systems to work as soon as I start the car.
And so they say the car "behaves as designed"....That may be the case but I
am sure it is not the way they meant it to behave. But no, "you have to get
used to it Sir!" A marvel of engineering!
What a load of crap that is!
My Keyless Go fails when cold apparently due to a
battery voltage drop in the cold. They claim it is due to my "driving style":
short work - home trips which do not charge the battery properly.
So this low voltage shuts off my Keless GO!
Yet it works fine after I click the car open / locked with a key, and none of
my previous MB cars' Keless Go failed like that, and there is enough juice to
start and get all the systems to work as soon as I start the car.
And so they say the car "behaves as designed"....That may be the case but I
am sure it is not the way they meant it to behave. But no, "you have to get
used to it Sir!" A marvel of engineering!
What a load of crap that is!
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And it keeps on DISAPPOINTING:
My Keyless Go fails when cold apparently due to a
battery voltage drop in the cold. They claim it is due to my "driving style":
short work - home trips which do not charge the battery properly.
So this low voltage shuts off my Keless GO!
Yet it works fine after I click the car open / locked with a key, and none of
my previous MB cars' Keless Go failed like that, and there is enough juice to
start and get all the systems to work as soon as I start the car.
And so they say the car "behaves as designed"....That may be the case but I
am sure it is not the way they meant it to behave. But no, "you have to get
used to it Sir!" A marvel of engineering!
What a load of crap that is!
My Keyless Go fails when cold apparently due to a
battery voltage drop in the cold. They claim it is due to my "driving style":
short work - home trips which do not charge the battery properly.
So this low voltage shuts off my Keless GO!
Yet it works fine after I click the car open / locked with a key, and none of
my previous MB cars' Keless Go failed like that, and there is enough juice to
start and get all the systems to work as soon as I start the car.
And so they say the car "behaves as designed"....That may be the case but I
am sure it is not the way they meant it to behave. But no, "you have to get
used to it Sir!" A marvel of engineering!
What a load of crap that is!
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E550 Coupe
That has happened to me, but I hadn't tied it to the cold weather until now. My car is garaged every night, but it can dip into the 50's in there. when it get's in colder my keyless go shows "key not detected" but will work fine if i push the unlock button.
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It appears to me that the only solution would be to sell the car and get something that has absoutely no idiosyncraces. The quality of the Navigation really depends on the the software/map vendor which I'm sure is not MB. But a car, even if it is beautiful, has what Car & Driver Magazine says is one of the sweetest, best-behaved V-8's they've experienced, is loaded with high tech features to improve your driving experience, is not worth owing if the cross streets don't show and the keyless go does not function in cold weather. I would dump this car as soon as I could.
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2010 e350 coupe
It appears to me that the only solution would be to sell the car and get something that has absoutely no idiosyncraces. The quality of the Navigation really depends on the the software/map vendor which I'm sure is not MB. But a car, even if it is beautiful, has what Car & Driver Magazine says is one of the sweetest, best-behaved V-8's they've experienced, is loaded with high tech features to improve your driving experience, is not worth owing if the cross streets don't show and the keyless go does not function in cold weather. I would dump this car as soon as I could.
And I thought only the media was into sensationalism?
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I have to agree the car is not absolutely perfect, and only probably 99% better then most other cars out there, so being that it is such a disappointment I would get rid of the vehicle before the stress of owning it overcomes you.
And I thought only the media was into sensationalism?
And I thought only the media was into sensationalism?
No one needs you to tell us of the virtues of this and other MB cars -
that is why really discerning buyers like me keep buying them. Not because
as graphic designers we find them better looking than the S5.
But that doesn't mean that we should lower our expectations, and stop
insisting that MB live up to its reputation. "Noblesse oblige" meaning if you
are a prince you should act like one! No one expects E550C to be "perfect"
but we do have the right to expect effective and competent response to
post marketing problems.
As for selling the car: have you two looked recently at the resale value of
the MB cars? Sorry, I am not interested in "eating" $25K.
Besides like I said elsewhere in this forum, it IS a sweet engine
(and I don't need Car and Driver to tell me that) and I love the Distronic Plus!
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Oh no, now I've disappointed you. I guess I'll always be known as a newbie, who doesn't recognize good design (By the way it's an occupation that pays very well.) and I can't recognize the virtues of good performance and handling without reading it. Hopefully, with therapy I can learn to be a discerning buyer like you. Then maybe I can be a prince too!
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Oh no, now I've disappointed you. I guess I'll always be known as a newbie, who doesn't recognize good design (By the way it's an occupation that pays very well.) and I can't recognize the virtues of good performance and handling without reading it. Hopefully, with therapy I can learn to be a discerning buyer like you. Then maybe I can be a prince too!
repartie - I am impressed! (Not disappointed!).
I am sure you are a tech guy deep down, and make lots of money designing - no offense meant!
No, you will not have to be forever a newbie - hang around - buy a few
"Benzes", get some of your own experiences with a V8 (not reading C&D -
which incidentally is almost always spot on with their comments and reviews)
and you will get be a Member!
But to be a prince? Well, for that you will have to get a frog to kiss you
right on the lips!
I love my V8! Relax, and lets be friends!
