Originally Posted by efan

finally got the VATH quads on, 30% of the actual width is dedicated to these cannons!

Originally Posted by efan

how does the butterfly work before the cats?, i mean if it is closed then the flow is totally limited because it is so far ahead of the mufflers?
my neighbour's 997 turbo has a custom CAPRISTO system in titanium with a remote control valve in the muffler, not at the start of the system

Originally Posted by E350 Coupe

I am surprised that no one has mentioned the downside to doing these modifications to your exhaust system which include, but not limited too

voids warranty
burns out valves
poor gas mileage
lack of power
illegal as it is considered a pollution modification
can result in vehicle being condemned by police and towed for immediate inspection, at your own cost
can result in tickets for excessive noise which in some places carry points

Originally Posted by E350 Coupe

Ahh, I see, in Canada the Police, and vehicle road inspectors, all carry DB meters, and check for pollution mods which are big in BC and California.

Originally Posted by E350 Coupe

My posts to be specific is directly related to modifying the exhaust system with cut outs, by pass connectors etc. It does not refer to anything else, if you would like I can quote the exact sections to modifying of exhaust systems etc.

Originally Posted by YYZ-E55

Most of your info isn't even true:
1) Exhaust does not void warranty unless it can be proven that the mods caused a related problem. Magnuson-Moss Act.

It's actually the Magnuson-Moss Warranty act, and the onus is reversed once you alter the vehicle from original design.

The act was designed to allow people to do their own service and repairs with similar type quality products, and to simplify you can use a similar oil filter of quality and design rather then a mercedes filter, however you are still required to use the same high quality oil and not just any Dino oil because it was cheap or on sale. The act requires you to document all changes and service you have done.

The act does not allow people to modify the design and force the company to prove it was the cause, the mere presence or proof which you are correct is up to the manufacturer to prove was in fact done now puts the onus on you to prove it was not harmful and thus voided your warranty. In your case changing the tail pipes for similar quality and use is your proof however using a bypass, cut out or butterfly, I don't think the supplier will guarantee their use.

2) How does it burn out valves?

Back to basics, no back pressure will easily cause this ask any mechanic who has been around awhile.

3) You can actually get better gas mileage from an exhaust! (assuming you aren't constantly on the gas enjoying it).

You are stating 2 things you get better as long as you are not on the gas, actually major exhaust producers such as "walker" etc will show on a dyno that a proper tuned exhaust will get better mileage and horsepower then without any exhaust.

Horsepower TV has also done similar tests on a dyno to come to the same conclusion.

4) Exhausts cause you to lose power? While possible, most are designed to gain (obviously).

Again incorrect refer to above, this is only true on vehicles designed to operate without any exhaust what so ever and the key word is designed.

5) Many exhausts have the appropriate approvals (CARB, etc), so this is a bit of a blanket statement and not necessarily accurate.

6) "Condemned"? That sounds pretty extreme (and I think the word you're looking for is "impounded"). I didn't know BC was so strict! Definitely not the case in most parts of the world. You get a ticket and you move on.

In BC there are 3 types of NIO (notice in order)

#3. a warning such as a burned out bulb headlight etc (officers discretion)

#2. a 30 day repair or remove from road, allows you 30 days to make repair then have vehicle inspected to certify that it is fit for the road. The inspection covers the entire vehicle not just the item in which you were stopped for

#1. immediate removal from road otherwise known as a condemned notice as it requires the vehicle to be towed from road the licence plates are returned to MVB and the vehicle is brought to a designated inspection facility for immediate repair at the discretion of the officer. Most officers will designate a manufacturer facility thus if it is a ford then it goes to a Ford facility.



That is completely untrue in Ontario (and I'm sure most other provinces). A rather lame blanket statement - there are city cops, provincial cops, and the RCMP, not the "Canada Police". Certainly most city and provincial cops in Ontario do not carry DB meters! And MTO officers aren't actively patrolling any roadways in Ontario.

Ok we have Municipal, Provincial and Federal Police

Municipal officers have a blue stripe on their pants and hat
Provincial officers have a red stripe down their pants and hat
Federal officers have a yellow stripe down their pants and hat

All municipal officers are sworn in under the Provincial Police Act
All provincial officers are sworn in under the Provincial Police Act
All federal officers are sworn in under the RCMP act then the provincial act when they are posted to their respective area's

Now in Ontario we have the MOT (Ministry of Transport) who are sworn in under the provincial police act as peace officers and not police officers there is a difference, however when stopping you they have the same authority as police officers in regards to ticketing and power of authority.

In BC we have the CVSE (commercial vehicle safety enforcement) which is similar to your MOT in that they stop and inspect all vehicles and not just commercial vehicles. These are highly trained vehicle inspectors who know the Motor Vehicle Act and Motor Vehicle Regulations like the back of their hand.

Now lets get back to the Police

In Toronto there are 5 distinct sections known as districts which the Toronto Police operate out of. These are numbered 1 through 5. The marked cars you see on the road indicate the area in which they are assigned to work, as in 3203 works out of 3 district and is assigned to 32 division and will patrol Lawrence to Steeles and Keele to Bayview. This is his assigned patrol area and not his working area.

3 district has 3 separate divisions 31, 32 and 33 division being west, center and east.

Now in the center of this is 3 District Traffic who does traffic enforcement for all of 3 district and is situated on Ellerslie Ave just west of Yonge Street.

3 district traffic is mandated to all traffic enforcement investigations from parking control to the operation of a motor vehicle causing death.

This specialized group of officers is trained in incident investigation up to including motor vehicle inspections of commercial vehicles, and in their mast tool kit are digital DB meters which used to be analog.

Now in Toronto there are 5 such traffic divisions who generally compose of 25-30 officers per station 3 shifts 365 days per year.

In Ontario you also have the OPP which are provincial officers and operate out of the vehicle inspection facility on downsview.

Outside of specialized federal work there are no uniformed federal officers other then the RCMP at the airports in Ontario.

In BC we took a different approach all officers are trained to a minimum lever of II in incident investigation

We have municipal officers in area's where the municipality wants their own Police force and all others are the RCMP. We have not had a provincial force since the 60's

Each department will have assigned traffic officer to do enforcement and are highly trained to a level III analysis or level IV re-constructionist which is close to an engineer level of investigation.

At this point these officers know the Act and regulations like the back of their hand and can quote chapter and verse from memory.

In BC we also run joint enforcement along with ICBC (insurance corporation of BC) sponsored events where we target vehicles on a regular basis for enforcement. These expenses for enforcement are part of our insurance program which is mandatory for all vehicles in BC with the exception of federal agencies who post a sizeable bond in lieu of insurance.

Now getting back to being so strict, in BC we are the strictest for enforcement in north america and only tied with california. We have the strictest regulations in regards to pollution controls again only tied with California, a vehicle originally registered in BC will meet all requirements for any province in Canada and with a TPMS modification anywhere in Canada or the US



If you are referring only to cut-outs, you should modify your posts to only the relevant info. As they remain, they imply you are referring to exhaust modifications.

Originally Posted by E350 Coupe

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Yes my post applies to all exhaust modifications to some point or another. If you swapped out your muffler for a glass pack and the glass pack starts to burn up your noise will increase above the allowable 82 db limit and you can be subject to a fine and or penalty as excessive noise from a motor vehicle carries points along with a monetary penalty.

Now lets stop the pissing match, I stated it was my .02 cents worth and my opinion which I will now qualify as 31 years experience in law enforcement being now retired I can afford this car, couldn't when I was working.

People have to be informed and left to make their own decisions, anyone advising them that their are no consequences from actions they make or take, are not properly informing them.

I hope I have answered your questions to some degree of accuracy

Originally Posted by efan

you can buy just the tips, because i have a set, unused, albeit they sent me 2 right exits, they attach to the bumper/chassis by 3 screws.