Now on 20" HRE 544r
08-14-2011, 03:03 PM
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Now on 20" HRE 544r
New look (centers were custom powder coated iridium silver) thanks to Rob @ VIVIDRACING.COM:
Pictures do not do justice to these wheels.
Wheels specs: 20x8.5 et30 and 20x9.5 et37.
Tires: General Exclaim UHP 235/35-20 and 265/30-20.
Pictures do not do justice to these wheels.
Wheels specs: 20x8.5 et30 and 20x9.5 et37.
Tires: General Exclaim UHP 235/35-20 and 265/30-20.
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08-14-2011, 10:38 PM
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Yeah they look awesome. I love the look. Yeah if you know anyone with an R8 or Gallardo right now I have a set of wheels for $2500 super cheap.....
Thats what they are trying to blow out right now.
Thats what they are trying to blow out right now.
08-15-2011, 09:52 AM
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2014 E550 4Matic with P1/LED/Pano
tire sizes should never exceed 3% variance from the stock Outer Diameter. Both front and rears are way beyond that and about an inch taller than stock.
Perhaps they gave you E Class/W212 fitment? They run that much taller. The E Coupe/C207 is based on C Class/W204 fitment.
edit - based on the wheel sizing, I'd say "yep". W212 all the way.
Perhaps they gave you E Class/W212 fitment? They run that much taller. The E Coupe/C207 is based on C Class/W204 fitment.
edit - based on the wheel sizing, I'd say "yep". W212 all the way.
08-15-2011, 11:01 AM
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That's what I thought you'd say.
No one gives me fitments - I tell them what I want. I told TireRack for over 17 years of extensive dealing with them, what fitments to give me (even though they always wanted to stay within "recommended" 3% for obvious reasons).
These specific HRE wheels were actually built to W210 specs. Fortunately for me, people from W211 and W212/C207 did not realize that these fit perfectly on all.
While I do agree that it is always "recommended" to stay within 3% of stock diameter, from my extensive (very, believe me) experience, it is just not practical when going from 17" or 18" stock sizes to 20".
The "correct" 20" tire sizes on E coupe are 245/30-20 and 275/25-20 (BTW, tireRack's database does "recommend" 265/30-20 rear fitment on a coupe - go figure), on E sedan - 255/30-20 & 285/25-20.
However, I would never never (and I stated this here and at W212 forum numerous times here before) drive a car on tires with lower than "recommended" load capacity.
Unless I can fit 245/35-20 tire to the front of W212 sedan (and I know I can't, regardless those saying it fits), I wouldn't run 20" on W212 and I do not even though want too.
Same story for the coupe/conv. Unless I can fit 235/35-20 tire to the front of C207, I wouldn't run 20".
Thankfully, 235/35-20 fits with a little room left (but 245/35-20 does not, if it did I'd use that).
Please, understand these cars were not designed to accept 20" wheels, so all the 20" tires out there to make 20s "fit" within 3% do not have enough load capacity. Putting tire with less load capacity (235/30, 245/30 or even 225/35) is more dangerous than exceeding 3% diameter. By exceeding this "recommended" percentage, the only negative effects are: speedo is off a bit (I actually travel a bit slower than it displays, do I care?), accelaration is slower a bit (really? we have mighty 550 remember) and breaking distances are a bit longer (this is compensated by sticky, softer compound tires).
Yes, I could have chosen to use sedan's recommended tires of 255/30-20 and 285/35-20. This would have kept me within coupe's "recommended" 3%, but those are wide tires that could have given me some issues, more importantly no 285/25-20 tire can be mounted of 20x9.5 wheel.
On all three cars that I'm running 20s on (from stock 18s) I run 1" higher diameter than stock. As a side "benefit" I see no wheel gap (some may disagree), so do not need IMO to lower. None, knock on wood, give me any issues.
Sorry for the long post. It turned out longer than expected.
No one gives me fitments - I tell them what I want. I told TireRack for over 17 years of extensive dealing with them, what fitments to give me (even though they always wanted to stay within "recommended" 3% for obvious reasons).
These specific HRE wheels were actually built to W210 specs. Fortunately for me, people from W211 and W212/C207 did not realize that these fit perfectly on all.
While I do agree that it is always "recommended" to stay within 3% of stock diameter, from my extensive (very, believe me) experience, it is just not practical when going from 17" or 18" stock sizes to 20".
The "correct" 20" tire sizes on E coupe are 245/30-20 and 275/25-20 (BTW, tireRack's database does "recommend" 265/30-20 rear fitment on a coupe - go figure), on E sedan - 255/30-20 & 285/25-20.
However, I would never never (and I stated this here and at W212 forum numerous times here before) drive a car on tires with lower than "recommended" load capacity.
Unless I can fit 245/35-20 tire to the front of W212 sedan (and I know I can't, regardless those saying it fits), I wouldn't run 20" on W212 and I do not even though want too.
Same story for the coupe/conv. Unless I can fit 235/35-20 tire to the front of C207, I wouldn't run 20".
Thankfully, 235/35-20 fits with a little room left (but 245/35-20 does not, if it did I'd use that).
Please, understand these cars were not designed to accept 20" wheels, so all the 20" tires out there to make 20s "fit" within 3% do not have enough load capacity. Putting tire with less load capacity (235/30, 245/30 or even 225/35) is more dangerous than exceeding 3% diameter. By exceeding this "recommended" percentage, the only negative effects are: speedo is off a bit (I actually travel a bit slower than it displays, do I care?), accelaration is slower a bit (really? we have mighty 550 remember) and breaking distances are a bit longer (this is compensated by sticky, softer compound tires).
Yes, I could have chosen to use sedan's recommended tires of 255/30-20 and 285/35-20. This would have kept me within coupe's "recommended" 3%, but those are wide tires that could have given me some issues, more importantly no 285/25-20 tire can be mounted of 20x9.5 wheel.
On all three cars that I'm running 20s on (from stock 18s) I run 1" higher diameter than stock. As a side "benefit" I see no wheel gap (some may disagree), so do not need IMO to lower. None, knock on wood, give me any issues.
Sorry for the long post. It turned out longer than expected.
08-15-2011, 11:09 AM
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I always pick my own fitments too but I try my best to stick to stock OD's, where possible. Everything else is open to exploration.
<---- running C63 wheels for winter and for summer, 19x8.5/19x9.5 BBS CH-R which Tire Rack does NOT recommend for the C207 (but fits perfectly with 235/35/19 and 265/30/19 Michelin PSS).
Sounds like you went in fully aware, which is respectable. Most people get "sold" a fitment and trust vendors know what they're doing (some do, some don't).
<---- running C63 wheels for winter and for summer, 19x8.5/19x9.5 BBS CH-R which Tire Rack does NOT recommend for the C207 (but fits perfectly with 235/35/19 and 265/30/19 Michelin PSS).
Sounds like you went in fully aware, which is respectable. Most people get "sold" a fitment and trust vendors know what they're doing (some do, some don't).
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08-15-2011, 12:13 PM
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Yes, PGT, correct. I tell them what I want, not the other way around.
For 19s:
on C207, I use 245/35-19 & 275/30-19,
on W212, I use 255/35-19 & 285/30-19.
For 19s:
on C207, I use 245/35-19 & 275/30-19,
on W212, I use 255/35-19 & 285/30-19.
08-15-2011, 03:15 PM
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These are probably the only "modern" design wheels I like.
Agree, but those were 17s 1pc. These are 20s 3pc. Makes a huge visual difference.
Always liked (and still do) classic VIP/AMG monoblock style full face wheels on Mercedes. Hence these wheels and a number of different OZ Operas I have (basically very similar design to these). As a different poster mentioned above, they do stand out (and IMO not in a negative way).
Guys who were mounting tires on the wheels (younger than me and for sure into the latest trends judging by their shop), could not give enough praise to the wheels.
Always liked (and still do) classic VIP/AMG monoblock style full face wheels on Mercedes. Hence these wheels and a number of different OZ Operas I have (basically very similar design to these). As a different poster mentioned above, they do stand out (and IMO not in a negative way).
Guys who were mounting tires on the wheels (younger than me and for sure into the latest trends judging by their shop), could not give enough praise to the wheels.
09-21-2011, 06:14 PM
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Hi guys,
Ive just fitted these rims on my E350 Coupe,
http://lenso-wheels.com/view-wheel-g...nso_es7_03.jpg
They are 20x8.5 front with 235/35/20 and 20x9.5 rear with 265/30/20. ET35 on both wheels.
I know threeMBs has done this configuration but with a different offset. I wanted to go with the same offset as its been done before but these wheels only come with ET35.
So the front wheels work with ET35 as well as ET30 which was a relief however im having issues at the rear.
as the ET is out by only 2mm compared to the threeMBs settings its rubbing when i take corners or go over bumps.
what are my options....?
Has anyone rolled the fenders on the C207 which im not too happy about doing as its a new car and also if i fitted 255/30/20 the 10mm reduction in tyre size should compensate for the 2mm added by the ET35 so in theory there should be no rubbing...
threeMBs have you had any rubbing with the rear since you fitted your 20's? even when having passengers in the back?
Regards Jay
Ive just fitted these rims on my E350 Coupe,
http://lenso-wheels.com/view-wheel-g...nso_es7_03.jpg
They are 20x8.5 front with 235/35/20 and 20x9.5 rear with 265/30/20. ET35 on both wheels.
I know threeMBs has done this configuration but with a different offset. I wanted to go with the same offset as its been done before but these wheels only come with ET35.
So the front wheels work with ET35 as well as ET30 which was a relief however im having issues at the rear.
as the ET is out by only 2mm compared to the threeMBs settings its rubbing when i take corners or go over bumps.
what are my options....?
Has anyone rolled the fenders on the C207 which im not too happy about doing as its a new car and also if i fitted 255/30/20 the 10mm reduction in tyre size should compensate for the 2mm added by the ET35 so in theory there should be no rubbing...
threeMBs have you had any rubbing with the rear since you fitted your 20's? even when having passengers in the back?
Regards Jay
09-23-2011, 09:40 AM
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I am running 9,5*20 et40 285/25/20 at the rear.I have rolled my fenders and i still have some rubbing issues when i have two passengers in the back,but only when i go over bumps.
09-23-2011, 10:24 AM
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your running 285's! you brave man! lol
Ive just spoken to lenso and they have told me to send the two rear wheels back to them. they said they are going to shave the back of the hub down which could give me another 4mm making the wheels around ET 39. This with the change of 255/30/20 tyre should give me a good 9-10mm to play with.
Fingers crossed.
heres a little pic to show how there looking at the moment.
Ive just spoken to lenso and they have told me to send the two rear wheels back to them. they said they are going to shave the back of the hub down which could give me another 4mm making the wheels around ET 39. This with the change of 255/30/20 tyre should give me a good 9-10mm to play with.
Fingers crossed.
heres a little pic to show how there looking at the moment.
09-23-2011, 10:24 AM
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your running 285's! you brave man! lol
Ive just spoken to lenso and they have told me to send the two rear wheels back to them. they said they are going to shave the back of the hub down which could give me another 4mm making the wheels around ET 39. This with the change of 255/30/20 tyre should give me a good 9-10mm to play with.
Fingers crossed.
heres a little pic to show how there looking at the moment.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/851/img2076o.jpg/
Ive just spoken to lenso and they have told me to send the two rear wheels back to them. they said they are going to shave the back of the hub down which could give me another 4mm making the wheels around ET 39. This with the change of 255/30/20 tyre should give me a good 9-10mm to play with.
Fingers crossed.
heres a little pic to show how there looking at the moment.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/851/img2076o.jpg/
09-23-2011, 01:18 PM
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Jay,
I do not experience any rubbing issues what so ever. Having said that, I never had/have passangers in the rear seats. Is your car lowered?
If you're planning to run 255/30 at the rear, I would not "shave" wheel's hub. If you're going to "shave" hub anyway, then I would stay with 265/30 to see if it would be OK.
I do not experience any rubbing issues what so ever. Having said that, I never had/have passangers in the rear seats. Is your car lowered?
If you're planning to run 255/30 at the rear, I would not "shave" wheel's hub. If you're going to "shave" hub anyway, then I would stay with 265/30 to see if it would be OK.
09-23-2011, 05:27 PM
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No i have left the cars suspension standard. i think il give that a try and leave the 265's on with the modified wheels.
Its a joke as lenso themselfs say they have fitted these wheels to this car before and have had no problems.
They also told me that the tyre sizes we have used are fine and didnt have any issues with it.
The guy at the wheel shop told me i cant return the wheels as when placing an order lenso will drill the correct holes for my cars fitment and wont take them back once this has been done.
after being told they stick out of the car too much they recomended shaving the hub of the wheel with the same machine.
Is this safe?
Its a joke as lenso themselfs say they have fitted these wheels to this car before and have had no problems.
They also told me that the tyre sizes we have used are fine and didnt have any issues with it.
The guy at the wheel shop told me i cant return the wheels as when placing an order lenso will drill the correct holes for my cars fitment and wont take them back once this has been done.
after being told they stick out of the car too much they recomended shaving the hub of the wheel with the same machine.
Is this safe?
09-23-2011, 06:46 PM
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Maybe there is a different route you can take:
1. What is the tire's brand? A different tire brand with a more rounded shoulder could work better.
2. Does you car rub only with people in the rear seats? If yes, how often they're occupied.
3. Roll rear fenders first - much better than shaving wheels' hubs.
Good luck.
09-23-2011, 10:42 PM
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I think these are kind of an old skool design but they look really nice. Some departure from the typical wheel design most others opt for. Nice choice.
10-08-2011, 09:22 AM
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Just thought id give you guys an update...
So lenso took the wheels back and milled the inside hub of the wheel by 4.5mm which was the most they could safely do. This takes the wheel to ET40 and the wheels fit perfectly with no rubbing what so ever.
ive attached a few pics of what the car looks like. Also done a few minor mods.. carbon wrap on roof, sprayed GPS antenna and front grill black, Privacy glass.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/14/img2165z.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/849/img2164p.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/690/img2166i.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/249/img2167sb.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/528/img2168r.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/202/img2163cr.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/18/img2169u.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/155/img2170y.jpg/
So lenso took the wheels back and milled the inside hub of the wheel by 4.5mm which was the most they could safely do. This takes the wheel to ET40 and the wheels fit perfectly with no rubbing what so ever.
ive attached a few pics of what the car looks like. Also done a few minor mods.. carbon wrap on roof, sprayed GPS antenna and front grill black, Privacy glass.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/14/img2165z.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/849/img2164p.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/690/img2166i.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/249/img2167sb.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/528/img2168r.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/202/img2163cr.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/18/img2169u.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/155/img2170y.jpg/
10-10-2011, 05:26 AM
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Thanks, no ive not had it lowerd at all. My drive has abit of a slope and the car sits abit lower when its parked on even ground.
Also when taking the car for its next service at the dealers would it be ok to leave these after market wheels on or change back to standard?
Reason im asking is someone told me they could void my warrenty?
Also when taking the car for its next service at the dealers would it be ok to leave these after market wheels on or change back to standard?
Reason im asking is someone told me they could void my warrenty?
10-10-2011, 07:28 AM
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Ahh cool, looks good, the way my driveway is sloped makes mine look higher!
I don't think it would affect your warranty but some dealers are a bit funny about it, others aren't. Mine are totally fine with anything I do to mine; I've known them a while and plus they've sold a few E-cabs on the back of people seeing mine in the car park (when it's had to go in for warranty repairs doubt the salesmen told the potential customers that though).
I don't know what your dealership will be like to be honest but I can't imagine they can kick a fuss up over a set of wheels. Remember to take pictures of your car/wheels before and after the service incase of any damage, stick a post-it note on parts of the car with the date on it as well and get a shot of it in clear view of the dealership so you've got enough evidence incase it gets damaged - two of my wheels did and I had to get them to refurb all 4 wheels (which saved me a job really).
I don't think it would affect your warranty but some dealers are a bit funny about it, others aren't. Mine are totally fine with anything I do to mine; I've known them a while and plus they've sold a few E-cabs on the back of people seeing mine in the car park (when it's had to go in for warranty repairs doubt the salesmen told the potential customers that though).
I don't know what your dealership will be like to be honest but I can't imagine they can kick a fuss up over a set of wheels. Remember to take pictures of your car/wheels before and after the service incase of any damage, stick a post-it note on parts of the car with the date on it as well and get a shot of it in clear view of the dealership so you've got enough evidence incase it gets damaged - two of my wheels did and I had to get them to refurb all 4 wheels (which saved me a job really).
