Need Advice!! Slammed too much.
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Need Advice!! Slammed too much.
lol. i went to go pick up the 95 e from the shop today and it looked hot. the car was pretty much slammed, and when parked next to my vette, it looked just as, if not, lower. vogtland w202 springs and bilsteins, all courtesy of TWS and sander. here's the issue. i have a set of carlsson 2/6 18x8 et35 with continental 225/40/18s on them. i slapped those bad boys on the minute i got the car back in my garage and they looked great. one problem though. i have bump 2 pads in the front and bump 1 in back. even with the stock 195/65/15 tires on the wheels the car is "tucked" in the front. i can still turn the wheel and steer though with no problems. however, when i put the carlssons on with the wider rubber the front fender almost sits on top of the tire. with the wheels aligned straight it's fine but the minute i try to turn the front wheels to the left or right, not only do i rub i actually hit the fender wall. what do you guys out here suggest i do? should i go back to a higher bump pad, maybe bump 3 or 4? ive seen a bunch of you guys on here running the exact setup without any problems. zorroamg, calie320, ashman. plz chime in if u can. is it possible that the continentals are too "fat" a tire at the sidewalls. will running stretched out 215/40/18 yoko paradas help? love the look of the car as it sits right now, but knowing that they might settle another 1/4-1/2" i sure want to be able to turn the thing. 
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Odd. At first when I first looked at the pictures, I thought you didn't utilize any spring pads in the drop, but then I read that you have Pad #2 in the fronts.
Your wheel and tire size seem alright. I'm assuming you didn't take the liberty and tell the shop to roll the fenders to compensate for the wheels.
As of right now, I have the extra same set up, no spring pads with my stock wheels but with 205's and the only rubbing I get in the front is in the in side and there is barely no finger gap. That'll have to change when I get the wheels install though.
Perhaps you can run the small sidewall such as 35's with 215's. Hope all goes well though. Keep me updated because we have the same set up but I will be putting 17 x 8 wheels on and would like to see how you come through.
It's true they settle 1/4 - 1/2 a inch. As I have noticed my rear a month later was lower than when I got the products installed. Same with the fronts.
Your wheel and tire size seem alright. I'm assuming you didn't take the liberty and tell the shop to roll the fenders to compensate for the wheels.
As of right now, I have the extra same set up, no spring pads with my stock wheels but with 205's and the only rubbing I get in the front is in the in side and there is barely no finger gap. That'll have to change when I get the wheels install though.
Perhaps you can run the small sidewall such as 35's with 215's. Hope all goes well though. Keep me updated because we have the same set up but I will be putting 17 x 8 wheels on and would like to see how you come through.
It's true they settle 1/4 - 1/2 a inch. As I have noticed my rear a month later was lower than when I got the products installed. Same with the fronts.
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yeh it seems odd when compared with everybody else with vogtlands or with zorro's which has the intrax which supposedly have the lowest drop for w124s. for the front, it's not a matter of barely having a finger gap. my brother literally took a sheet of paper and that barely slipped through. dont understand why my particular setup slammed the front that much. i did use the vogtland 30-60mm springs.
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I would have to agree, go back to the shop and have your fenders rolled and I'm sure that will cure majority if not half of the problem. Or just change the tire size. I know people who went through many different sizes just to get the current fitment.
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i wish it were just that with the fender rolling. but it's to the point where the wheel cannot turn because the fender is in the way. in other words, the car is so slammed that the tire is literally up against the fender horizontally. i can turn the steering wheel about 1/8 of a turn before the sidewall literally runs INTO the fender. it doesnt rub on bumps, it hits it just standing still. at least it looks cool sitting that low. just cant drive it. 
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lol. I love the slam look but it's a pain while turning. Luckily, I only rub when I take tight small turns going like 5-10mph.
Anyhow, how come you choosed to go with 40 series sidewall?
by the way...I'll take your front spring pads! LMAO! when you get new ones.
Anyhow, how come you choosed to go with 40 series sidewall?
by the way...I'll take your front spring pads! LMAO! when you get new ones.
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Simple quick solution is
1) Go stretched out 215/40's
2) Get thicker bump pads, in other words raise it up a little.
3) Or get fender spacers and roll the fenders. Every car is different when lowered some lower then others. All depends on the condition of the existing suspension.
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1) Go stretched out 215/40's
2) Get thicker bump pads, in other words raise it up a little.
3) Or get fender spacers and roll the fenders. Every car is different when lowered some lower then others. All depends on the condition of the existing suspension.
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You're going to have to change the spring pads. Fender rolling will not solve the other problem you have; negative camber. With this sort of drop you'll never get it anywhere near spec which means those lovely new tyres will be cream crackered in a few thousand miles.
If you have 2 bump pads, go for 4 bump.
If you have 2 bump pads, go for 4 bump.
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Benard, haven't seen you around lately. What's the deal???
Wassup Chris,
Yeah sorry about not being able to keep in touch with all you guys and the club for awhile. Been going through alot of drama, just got the S class fixed and looking for a new job. So if anybody has any connections on job openings in the L.A. area let me know.
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Originally Posted by ChrisDPham
lol. I love the slam look but it's a pain while turning. Luckily, I only rub when I take tight small turns going like 5-10mph.
Anyhow, how come you choosed to go with 40 series sidewall?
by the way...I'll take your front spring pads! LMAO! when you get new ones.
Anyhow, how come you choosed to go with 40 series sidewall?
by the way...I'll take your front spring pads! LMAO! when you get new ones.
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thanks for all the replies. right now, the car is going back to the shop tomorrow for bump 4 pads for the front. (currently running bump 2) also got the fender spacer kit from calie320. between these two, hopefully ill have it running. offset should be fine, et35. for some reason mine dumped way more than others. if these steps dont work, then i'll go stretched out 215/40/18 tires. either way, these carlsson 2/6 are here to stay. 
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Let us know the results tomorrow!
I'll be running 17 x 8 ET28...but I don't want to run 45 series sidewall as I've seen others do.
Would 225-215/40 or 225215/35 be a bad choice for the wheel size?
I'll be running 17 x 8 ET28...but I don't want to run 45 series sidewall as I've seen others do.
Would 225-215/40 or 225215/35 be a bad choice for the wheel size?
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chris, if you do all the fender mods you need to, you should be ok running 225/45 maybe even 235/45. you could go 215/45 if you wanted.
a 35 series will be less rolling diameter and your speedo will be off.
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a 35 series will be less rolling diameter and your speedo will be off.
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Chris,
You'll be fine with fender rolling and my Extreme fender spacer kit.
I think you should go with 45's on 17's to fill out the wheel gap better.. Your car is as low as mine when I had 17's I was running 45's. Is Alon running 45's or 40's? I would go with what Alon's set-up is since he already has his hammer's installed. I think to be safe you should go no wider then 225's all around.
*Gaww- Got your payment today, your fender spacers are going out first thing tomorrow morning.
thanks,
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You'll be fine with fender rolling and my Extreme fender spacer kit.
I think you should go with 45's on 17's to fill out the wheel gap better.. Your car is as low as mine when I had 17's I was running 45's. Is Alon running 45's or 40's? I would go with what Alon's set-up is since he already has his hammer's installed. I think to be safe you should go no wider then 225's all around.
*Gaww- Got your payment today, your fender spacers are going out first thing tomorrow morning.
thanks,
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Cali,
thnx for the shipment.
I'll definitely need them now. I DO NOT UNDERSTAND THIS CAR. excuse the aggravation, but i just got the car back AGAIN today with bump 4's up front and i still cant clear the tires. i am using vogtland red violet 35m lowering springs for a w202. to everybody using vogtlands, are these the exact springs you are using? chrisd, cali, others?? even with the bump 4's the fender is sitting next to the tire, so i cant turn the wheel without running into the fender wall. am i using the wrong springs or is my car's specific suspension just that peculiar that it's dumping the car that low? i need help.
with the fender spacers, does the top of the arch of the fender actually get pushed out? short of running stretched 215/40s, im running out of options.
thnx for the shipment.
I'll definitely need them now. I DO NOT UNDERSTAND THIS CAR. excuse the aggravation, but i just got the car back AGAIN today with bump 4's up front and i still cant clear the tires. i am using vogtland red violet 35m lowering springs for a w202. to everybody using vogtlands, are these the exact springs you are using? chrisd, cali, others?? even with the bump 4's the fender is sitting next to the tire, so i cant turn the wheel without running into the fender wall. am i using the wrong springs or is my car's specific suspension just that peculiar that it's dumping the car that low? i need help.
with the fender spacers, does the top of the arch of the fender actually get pushed out? short of running stretched 215/40s, im running out of options.
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Gaww,
I'm running the same spring/shock combo. Currently I'm running stretched out 215/40's. I knew I would encounter many problems choosing 18x8.5s. But I was determined to make it work.
I already have my fender spacers installed. I'm positive I can switch to bigger 225/40's safely. Have your fenders rolled and install the Extreme kit I sent you & see from there. If all else fails go with the stretched 215 /40's.
good luck
~Cali
I'm running the same spring/shock combo. Currently I'm running stretched out 215/40's. I knew I would encounter many problems choosing 18x8.5s. But I was determined to make it work.
I already have my fender spacers installed. I'm positive I can switch to bigger 225/40's safely. Have your fenders rolled and install the Extreme kit I sent you & see from there. If all else fails go with the stretched 215 /40's.
good luck
~Cali
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thanks cali. i have to make on disclaimer though. my bilstein sports are NOT in yet. i am still on stock shocks. does this have anything to do with the extreme drop? im pretty sure that shocks do not affect ride height, but is it possible that the stock shocks are not "stiff" enough to keep the car up. just a thought. bilsteins are on their way.
