bro you can honestly put a turbo on a gremlin for all i care.

just because you can doesnt mean you SHOULD. if you want a speed demon then buy a 500e for 15k. i would bet the 500e would handle and perform much better then a stock e320 with a turbo. heck you could just throw nos on a 500e and it will blaze by your turboed old skooler.

next time if you dont want people to disagree with what you are trying to do simply dont post. lots of people here disliked my wheels and honestly i dont care. its my rig. if you want to blow almost dbl the stated value on your car doing a turbine upgrade have at it just dont expect everyone to jump on the bandwagon.

 

Anything else you have to teach me about 5.0 mustangs?

AMG_ERIC I like your black wheels LOL

Ok did you start on the project? Or just talking ? I want to see some pics!! I don't car about specs or all this bullshiet in the thread just post some pics and it'll be all good!

 

a guy was selling his twin turbo kit for your model here on mbworld for $4000. it's a brand new complete kit too, you should look into that!

 

i am sure my buddy could teach both of you a bunch. he just wont 3rd for the most hp to the ground at a car show in corona. it was only 569hp to the wheels. i guess supercharging in much better then turboing.

 

569 at the rear wheels? Car show? 3rd? If im talking about making 800hp what do you think rear wheel hp is? There is a 14-16% loss depending on weight and driveline so do the math. My buddy is making 1200hp but on a fully built 347 block with a supercharger @ 30lbs of boost. Hey im always open to learn new things maybe he knows something i don't?

 

well 800hp is about 660 at the wheels. i would bet you have an intercooler and i would bet the s/c is mounted on the intake. jonny from jonny lightning is running on regular pump gas without the huge fuel pump to feed the top end. if he intercooled it he could pick up another 100hp on pump gas at the flywheel.

its nice your buddy is making 1200bhp but i am sure it runs on race gas. jonny's runs on 92 octane pump. heck you could say you know john force and he makes 1mil bhp. scott is going to make a driver not a race car. jonny has a somewhat of a driver and can be raced at the track.

 

if you are ever going to put 500+ hp in a 124 you better get a rear-wide body kit, there is NO way in hell that you will be able to catch in 1st gear with out any sort of TC system. i can spin my wheels in first in the SL500, and i have 275s in the rear, and not even close to that HP. and in the E500, forget about it, with just the renntech and intake/exghaust upgrades, traction is very hard to get (with out hitting the ASR). and i have i think 245s in the back. btw- and it is still in the shop for the port polish, extrude, Fuel injs. and engine pressure guage. but when it comes out, traction will be even worse!! i might have to change out my rims and thow 285s on! lol




Mark

 

AMG_Eric I met john force once and he called me buddy LOL. I was just stating the fact that you can build a 5.0 engine with STOCK heads and make 800hp on 92 octane with 8:5.1 compression. I am sure jonny does have a lot of hp under the hood of his car and he can make 1000 more hp if he wanted to.

Scotte320
How about you build the damn thing and post pics and spend a lot time making sure everything is going as planned. I hope it turns on and runs like you said it would. Hit your 500-550hp mark and your done. See you next year when your finished.

Redmongoose
That's what i was saying in my other post. It's not like you just build a 500hp engine and drop it in and everything is fine and dandy.

 

Guys, let's all take a valium and start over. All I intended by my posting was to reply to the initial post "anyone ever turbo their E320?" and to ask this membership if they have any technical information on this engine and chassis that would help us. All I seem to have gotten mostly is negativism, I'm crazy, it won't do this, it won't do that, I'd be better off doing this or that etc. and this is from my so called Mercedes brethren. To be fair, there are some that have voiced their interest and support and that's appreciated. Hell, I think it's a unique project. Duplicating what others have done just doesn't appeal to me. Also, don't think I'm naive enough to believe this project won't be beset with its share of problems and f#ck-ups. I'm no stranger to engine and car building although it's been a while. After I got out of the racing scene, got married, had kids and such, my choice of cars seems to have moved away from performance to the point that I now drive a '99 S420 that I got after the accident. However, this 320 turbo thing has got the adrenaline pumping faster than it has for years.

Some of you think I should either buy an E500 or drop in a 4.2 or 5.0 and be farther ahead. Well, I just can't see where the 500 V8 at only 100 HP more and 300 lbs. heavier gets me to the promised land. Even nitrous wouldn't do it for me and besides I would never install nitrous on one of my cars. First of all, I consider it to be the lazy man's approach to horsepower gains and secondly I don't trust the nitrous metering systems 100% or want to rely on the computer to adjust the fuel ratio. I've spent too much money on motors over the years to see one that has spark plugs burning holes in pistons like a cutting torch.

Regarding the concerns of getting the rear wheels to hook up to the pavement, I think a lot of you are looking at it the wrong way. Horsepower has never "smoked" the rear wheels of any car I've seen but torque does. Besides, at a standing stop, I won't have near 500 HP under the hood, perhaps 150 HP I would guess. That 500+ HP is 5,000-6,000 RPM away before that number emerges. How much torque I have is another question. At an idle, it'll probably be less that a stock E500 and not much more than a stock E320. How fast that torque builds will be the unknown until the day comes that I stand on it for the first time. Typically, cu. in.'s make torque which is why the SL500 with a light back end has a tendency to "smoke 'em". Honestly, what is a bigger concern to me than that is the shift from 1st to 2nd when I've got full torque. Anyway, those are my thoughts, feel free to comment.

 

I don't think twin turbo-ing a 320 is crazy. There are quite a few out there.
500+hp is a little optimistic though.
There was a V12 5.3ltr W124 on e-bay recently.
Here's what happens when you strap a V12 into a W210.

Edit.. have you seen these?
http://www.mbcoupes.com/w124/members...kburnstein.htm
http://www.benzworld.org/forums/foru...posts=7&fid=11
http://www.mercseller.com/popup.cfm?...597&p_i=218597
http://www.tdi-plc.com/MercEclass.html

 

This is the starting point for the E320 Turbo. Makes you want to cry doesn't it?

 

And you want to go faster???

Seriously, start with a different car.