The BEST and the WORST
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The BEST and the WORST
...and Mercedes did terrible..again! Thanks Chrysler....http://money.cnn.com/popups/2006/autos/reliable/4.html
I sure am glad I own a W124 !!...now if I could just keep that rust at bay..
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I sure am glad I own a W124 !!...now if I could just keep that rust at bay..
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95 E420-87 E300 97 5281
Now you see why MBZ dropped the unlimited warranty. on their cars. They were losing so much money to the dealerships to maintain them. Its a sign of the times when its all about the buck.Bling Bling-Klunk Klunk
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1994 White an Grey E320 "Shado"
Sounds like they are relying on the name alone to support them instead of quality of car...
Sooner or later it will come to a head and they will get back to basics or fall under completely and then even chrysler will try and find a way out...
Sooner or later it will come to a head and they will get back to basics or fall under completely and then even chrysler will try and find a way out...
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86 W124
dont forget that its a biased report, the report is based on all the equipment within the car and since mercedes has more gadgets, they will fail more often. Mercedes is still a decade ahead of its time technology wise but toyota and honda employ reliable systems developped over time to fix all the glitches.
Every new MB I have driven has pleased me aesthetically due to their build quality and they still have the heart of older versions but they have been refined.
Every new MB I have driven has pleased me aesthetically due to their build quality and they still have the heart of older versions but they have been refined.
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Enzo, my Benzo
wow, the force runs wild with this forum. The force of bandwagon and BS. Those reports are HEAVILY biased and in reality, on average every car in that range will have similar results, it just depends on the sample and the luck of the draw. I know some people with W220's and W211's that have no issues and I have friends with lexus' with major problems ( besides their boring as he11 exteriors and ride 
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95 E420-87 E300 97 5281
When I bought my 95 E420 in 2004 (1 owner) I brought it to SF MBZ dealer and was told they didn't want to work on such an "old car" (10 yrs) and if I insisted (My ex wife works there) It would be a week before they could even look at it. The bays were full of new cars. My ex works in billing and told me all their invoices are warranty work and they refer everyone else out to local shops. Again thats why they dropped the warranty that they used to offer. I agree a lexus is a boring car and a boring ride but I think benz took a dip in craftmanship after the 95 and as far as cars on my want list its the 96 e420 I don't think I am ready to invest in anything newer. But there is the excitment of each new offering from the star that still gets the heart pumping that I won't deny. Just my humble thoughts.
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CR's basic approach is just to report whatever comes back in the surveys. Because of the lag time in their process, their data on 2006 models is actually based on cars that have been owned an average of 90 days. Similarly, the verdict on 2005s is based on just over a year's experience, on average. And they will base a verdict on as little as a month or two of data. Which wouldn't be so bad, except they never make it clear when this is the case.
As much as CR evaluates others, hardly anyone evaluates CR. Doing my best. You can read a couple of my critiques here:
Shortcomings of Consumer Reports
Problems with Consumer Reports' survey
Now, I doubt the problems with CR's methods can explain MB's showing. But the approach I'm taking in my own research will do two things:
1. Make it much clearer how large the difference between Mercedes and the competition is. Over a five-year period, are we talking one extra trip to the shop? Five? Ten? I suspect the number is lower than most people think.
My research will provide absolute numbers, including "trips to the shop."
2. CR releases results in November each year based on a spring survey. I'll be updating results quarterly about two months after the end of every quarter. With my system, if Mercedes does improve, it'll be apparent much more quickly.
The main thing I need is more participants. I'm not collecting data on any Mercedes models yet because not enough owners are signed up. Getting close with a few, though.
Details:
Vehicle reliability research
As much as CR evaluates others, hardly anyone evaluates CR. Doing my best. You can read a couple of my critiques here:
Shortcomings of Consumer Reports
Problems with Consumer Reports' survey
Now, I doubt the problems with CR's methods can explain MB's showing. But the approach I'm taking in my own research will do two things:
1. Make it much clearer how large the difference between Mercedes and the competition is. Over a five-year period, are we talking one extra trip to the shop? Five? Ten? I suspect the number is lower than most people think.
My research will provide absolute numbers, including "trips to the shop."
2. CR releases results in November each year based on a spring survey. I'll be updating results quarterly about two months after the end of every quarter. With my system, if Mercedes does improve, it'll be apparent much more quickly.
The main thing I need is more participants. I'm not collecting data on any Mercedes models yet because not enough owners are signed up. Getting close with a few, though.
Details:
Vehicle reliability research
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all the 07 benzs ive seen seem to be goin back to the old benz feel, i really like the new E350... its a car id look for in a few year for sure
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Enzo, my Benzo
Yes, and he's correct. How does Chrysler have anything to do with mercedes problems? It's not like you build an e-class in the same plant as a sebring, or share parts. MB parts go to Chrysler....not the other way. MB is responsible for crappy quality....not chrysler.....their quality dropped in 96 with the W210...before Chrysler was involved.
Don't believe the hype
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08 Lexus GS350 AWD. 08 Lexus RX350 AWD - wife's. 94 MBZ E320 - still have it.
I love it when people say, "Oh, those reviews are so biased". Of course, this borard is not biased at all. I agree that Mercedes still looks very good, but as far as the quality is concerned, I am seriuosle thinking about one of those boring Lexuses, particularily GS 350.
Go buy one then, like we really care.....
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I can care less about all this quality issue crap, MB is back to making cars the way they used to pre 96' , heck, they've even added the good ol' star emblem/hood star combination again a very subtle sign that they're going back to their roots 
a very subtle sign that they're going back to their roots
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Tell me about it! I was behind an S65 tester from Herb Chambers Mercedes down the street in cambridge, and the only way to describe was
"OH-MY-GOD!"
it was one of the most beautiful cars I've laid eyes on this year, pictures do the new S no justice at all.
"OH-MY-GOD!"
it was one of the most beautiful cars I've laid eyes on this year, pictures do the new S no justice at all.
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^^ word. That's one thing I definitely have to say about the new MB's. They look much much better in person than they do in pictures... except for the R-class which is disgusting no matter how you look at it.
