500E WITH 2005 E55 MOTOR
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Just do what you want. You don't need to come here to get validation from anyone. Some people on here are **** about being period correct, oem, blah blah blah. If you have an entire donor car and time just do it.
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From: Forethill, Ca Northcal
85 euro w124 300d non turbo black on black......coming soon hx35 turbo intercooler
I would still get a another car. But like the other gentlemen said I would loose all computer and run a standalone system. Ive transplanted engines into jeeps (northstar engines) if ur not using a standalone system U need to know exactly what the computer does. I would Start ur wrecked car up and start cutting wires and get it all preped and marked before pulling. If you dont it will be a nightmare. U will need to cut and weld. Probably have to take ur drive shaft to a 4x4 shop to get custom made hardened and balance.
Hope u got a welder, metal, money, torch, garage, time
Hope u got a welder, metal, money, torch, garage, time
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04 E500 20in brabus monoblocks 1 serious 500E & 91 300CE 2JZ 2005 CL65
I THANK YOU! THAT MAKE SENSE! AS FOR THE OTHER STUFF! I GOT ALL OF THAT!
I would still get a another car. But like the other gentlemen said I would loose all computer and run a standalone system. Ive transplanted engines into jeeps (northstar engines) if ur not using a standalone system U need to know exactly what the computer does. I would Start ur wrecked car up and start cutting wires and get it all preped and marked before pulling. If you dont it will be a nightmare. U will need to cut and weld. Probably have to take ur drive shaft to a 4x4 shop to get custom made hardened and balance.
Hope u got a welder, metal, money, torch, garage, time
Hope u got a welder, metal, money, torch, garage, time
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From: Forethill, Ca Northcal
85 euro w124 300d non turbo black on black......coming soon hx35 turbo intercooler
Remember make sure engine starts ( recommend push button like an air plane!!!!) With minimum stuff on harness. U want just the engine and tranny wires.Pull harness out and quick disconnect everything rel event cut everything unnecessary. make sure it starts and shifts (in wrecked car) Rememberu can trick alot of the computer with ohms thingy (cant remeber what called) Then tape harness to top of engine and start transplant. Use tap to clearely mark everything with permanent marker.
Same with 500e u need to pull harness off and quick disconnect everything cut what u dont need and clearely mark everything.
Same with 500e u need to pull harness off and quick disconnect everything cut what u dont need and clearely mark everything.
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04 E500 20in brabus monoblocks 1 serious 500E & 91 300CE 2JZ 2005 CL65
IF I WAS TO GO WITH A STAND ALONE WHICH ONE WOULD YOU SUGGEST??
Remember make sure engine starts ( recommend push button like an air plane!!!!) With minimum stuff on harness. U want just the engine and tranny wires.Pull harness out and quick disconnect everything rel event cut everything unnecessary. make sure it starts and shifts (in wrecked car) Rememberu can trick alot of the computer with ohms thingy (cant remeber what called) Then tape harness to top of engine and start transplant. Use tap to clearely mark everything with permanent marker.
Same with 500e u need to pull harness off and quick disconnect everything cut what u dont need and clearely mark everything.
Same with 500e u need to pull harness off and quick disconnect everything cut what u dont need and clearely mark everything.
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230e w124
Hey mean, I understand what those guys are try to saying to you, but is a nice proyect, I have a 230E and when I finally decide to put in it a Vortec V8 5.7 and a 4L80 transmision everyone said the same... "is imposible to fit, you maybe have a lot of problems" all kinds of comments, and you at last have the same engine supports, for your engine and the e55 I dont have any to start, I have to mod the engine suports and a bit the engine bay... I know those are a diferent engines, and the e55 engine is complecated because the sensors... but the vortec engine have a lot of sensors too... and now I have a e230 with a vortec V8, and everything working in the cluster, speedo, rmp, tem, oil presure, everything....
Nothing, nothing is imposible... and thats your car, do everything what you do, all the people can live with this.
The differential is not a problem, serious, my car have the same stock diff. and if you think is something similar, 4 cylinders(original) maybe around 100 hp to a 300hp v8(vortec is not stock) without problems...
good look and keep some pictures up!
Nothing, nothing is imposible... and thats your car, do everything what you do, all the people can live with this.
The differential is not a problem, serious, my car have the same stock diff. and if you think is something similar, 4 cylinders(original) maybe around 100 hp to a 300hp v8(vortec is not stock) without problems...
good look and keep some pictures up!
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From: NEW YORK
04 E500 20in brabus monoblocks 1 serious 500E & 91 300CE 2JZ 2005 CL65
THANX MAN! I AM GOING TO GET THAT MOTOR IN! I HAVE THE WHOLE WINTER TO DO SO! NEXT SPRING I AM GOING TO BUY ANOTHER 500E AND LEAVE IT STOCK....WELL MOSTLY STOCK! LOLOL
Hey mean, I understand what those guys are try to saying to you, but is a nice proyect, I have a 230E and when I finally decide to put in it a Vortec V8 5.7 and a 4L80 transmision everyone said the same... "is imposible to fit, you maybe have a lot of problems" all kinds of comments, and you at last have the same engine supports, for your engine and the e55 I dont have any to start, I have to mod the engine suports and a bit the engine bay... I know those are a diferent engines, and the e55 engine is complecated because the sensors... but the vortec engine have a lot of sensors too... and now I have a e230 with a vortec V8, and everything working in the cluster, speedo, rmp, tem, oil presure, everything....
Nothing, nothing is imposible... and thats your car, do everything what you do, all the people can live with this.
The differential is not a problem, serious, my car have the same stock diff. and if you think is something similar, 4 cylinders(original) maybe around 100 hp to a 300hp v8(vortec is not stock) without problems...
good look and keep some pictures up!
Nothing, nothing is imposible... and thats your car, do everything what you do, all the people can live with this.
The differential is not a problem, serious, my car have the same stock diff. and if you think is something similar, 4 cylinders(original) maybe around 100 hp to a 300hp v8(vortec is not stock) without problems...
good look and keep some pictures up!
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From: USR, NJ, United States of Americaland
1994 C124 E320 Coupe - 1975 W116 280S
I would hunt you down and slay you for destroying an already legendary piece of engineering, albeit one with extremely limited availability and rarity.
Do that with a 300E fool.
Do that with a 300E fool.
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From: Forethill, Ca Northcal
85 euro w124 300d non turbo black on black......coming soon hx35 turbo intercooler
I would use mega squirt. Ask pumpish hes on this forum. Also go to u tube and search pumpish check out his ride.
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I'll add to megasquirt. I have a built MSII ver3.0 ECU up and running on a stimulator so if you need any help in the process send me a message. On thee side note, it seems as if your sparing no expense and in that case a Haltec stand alone ECU is a big step up from barebones MSII (Until they figure out their sequential injection add-on), something to look into.
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04 E500 20in brabus monoblocks 1 serious 500E & 91 300CE 2JZ 2005 CL65
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03' CL55 AMG
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I am sure the 036 per capita and per sq. mile, is pretty high where you are.
I don't know where Zeddy lives, or many of the others, but in some cases there may not be more than one 500E in the entire state. Many people, I am sure, have them mothballed during the winter.
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I live in CT, home of the investment bankers. I'm five minutes from Yale and I have yet seen more than two 500E's. I saw another in Honalulu when I went to Hawaii. Rare? I'd say yes whether you live in CA or not.
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2005 Crossfire SRT-6
I think it's a great idea to swap out the old gutless motor and toss in a blown E55motor. Best of luck to your project.............I'll keep an eye on it because I was considering doing the same swap(except into my Crossfire) some day.
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230e w124
Yes is a really masterpice, but how many of those e500 have an e55 swap engine??? maybe this will be the first, and unique, if the work is a good quality that will be absolute awesome 
And something more, if anyone wants a e500 just go to ebay, and buy some of those, you can look at few there
And something more, if anyone wants a e500 just go to ebay, and buy some of those, you can look at few there
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wow, this turned in to Romper Room awfully fast. 
Um, back on topic - I hope: As others have said, it probably would be easier to go with an aftermarket engine management system. However, the next problem is the transmission, which is electronically controlled. Even if you can get the fuel & ignition systems sorted out (not easy on a supercharged engine with variable valve timing, etc)... controlling the transmission could be a BIG problem. It will probably be just as difficult to try and swap over all the existing E55-K harnesses and computers. Either way this will be a nightmare project. And you'll need about this much cash to pull it off:
It would be easier, and possibly cheaper, to just build a supercharged 6.0L M119. The power output would be the same or higher, and there would be no electronics nightmare. You'd also retain ASR, ABS, and cruise control... three things you're almost certain to lose if you try to use the E55-K powertrain.
Um, back on topic - I hope: As others have said, it probably would be easier to go with an aftermarket engine management system. However, the next problem is the transmission, which is electronically controlled. Even if you can get the fuel & ignition systems sorted out (not easy on a supercharged engine with variable valve timing, etc)... controlling the transmission could be a BIG problem. It will probably be just as difficult to try and swap over all the existing E55-K harnesses and computers. Either way this will be a nightmare project. And you'll need about this much cash to pull it off:
It would be easier, and possibly cheaper, to just build a supercharged 6.0L M119. The power output would be the same or higher, and there would be no electronics nightmare. You'd also retain ASR, ABS, and cruise control... three things you're almost certain to lose if you try to use the E55-K powertrain.
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From: Philly,PA
94'E320 01'Sl500
I would do it if I had time and money. Definitely a wild project that I would love to see.
Look into engine managements, ask on E55 forum section which stand alone they would recommend you. This would save you a whole lot of time and you can fine tune your motor to every mods you do it.
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04 E500 20in brabus monoblocks 1 serious 500E & 91 300CE 2JZ 2005 CL65
AS FAR AS THE TRANNY I WOULD USE A OLDER TRANNY. THE E55 TRANNY HAS TO MUCH SECURITY ON IT! THERE IS A GUY ON THIS FORUM THAT DID A E55 SWAP IN A C43. HE USED HIS STOCK C43 TRANNY ON THE MOTOR! I WAS THINKING OF USING A OLDER S500 TRANNY!
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2004 Ran SRT-10,2007 S550,2016 E400c
Basically the e55 ,c43,and s500 tranys are all just diffrent versions of the 722.6 design. Not so much security on it , just electronic control. Go for the swap it can be done its just going to be some wiring.. If you hit any stumpers pm me ive been a tech with benz for over 12 years and have do numerous swaps.. just finished a 111 motor and 6 speed in to a 69 sl with people telling me it couldnt be done.. Dont let opions stop you
good luck.
good luck.
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From: seattle
1990 300ce supercharged and intercooled
As said. The reason the swap on the c43 works so easily is the blocks are basically the same. The trans is a 722.6 and the engine is just stroked and bored. The m119 and the m113 are significantly different. They have a different bolt pattern and the engine mounts are significantly different. In order to install the m113 in the engine bay, you are most likely going to have to fabricate engine mount arms or mounts or both. Keep the transmission you have. I can help you run the transmission with a standalone transmission controller. Otherwise you are going to have to make adapter plates for the non electronic transmission.
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From: Forethill, Ca Northcal
85 euro w124 300d non turbo black on black......coming soon hx35 turbo intercooler
Go wild use a race tranny with a tranny convertor plate (probably different names for it) Theres a guy here that did it on his diesel. 24 valve or something if you want I can get the link for you. I think he used a geartrag tranny. there good u can replace individual hears. dude slap a vet motor in it twin turbo it an call it a day!!!!! Now that would be one sick 500e.
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From: Forethill, Ca Northcal
85 euro w124 300d non turbo black on black......coming soon hx35 turbo intercooler
https://mbworld.org/forums/e-class-w...o-projekt.html
Scroll till u see his tranny he made a sweet conversion. Thats the way to go no electronics. My buddys got a 800 hp chevelle running that tranny.
Scroll till u see his tranny he made a sweet conversion. Thats the way to go no electronics. My buddys got a 800 hp chevelle running that tranny.
