jason3977

WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT THIS SWAP! I WANT TO TRY IT!

smithcb2

Would be cheaper to buy an e55, but if you just want to do this because you like projects and have the know-how, would be nice to see a build thread.

jason3977

Why do you say it will be cheaper? I already have the complete engine and tranny swap! my question to you is: whats the expensive part? when i think about it. the motor should go right in. the hardest part would be getting it wired. what you think???

RobertG

[QUOTE=jason3977;3739254]Why do you say it will be cheaper? I already have the complete engine and tranny swap! my question to you is: whats the expensive part? QUOTE]

I tought that was the expensive part of a swap

whipplem104

How do you plan on running the engine and transmission? The factory computers for the 55 motor would require most of the wiring and quite a few computers from the donor car. You would need the EIS, transmission control unit, ME control unit, different speed sensors at the rear end and a different rear axle ratio. Also the shifter and a drive by wire gas pedal, and these would be at minimum. If you are going standalone injection that is another story. I can help you with the transmission control on a standalone basis. Also you will need a heat exchanger and a coolant pump for the intercooling, plus a reservoir.
This is all of course after you get it in the engine bay. You will probably have to fabricate engine mounts. If you get it done it will go like stink though. I would have to say though that for the money and time I would just supercharge your engine or get another one to build. The early closed deck m119 can handle a lot of power. Put standalone injection on the m119 and a supercharger and go like hell.
Where did you get the 55k motor and trans from by the way?

ZorroAMG

VERY ambitious project. Good luck with it, though!

CDP

lol ....

markland556

Im guessing the massive amounts of sensors and other electronic control units would make that one amazing challenge.

If you already have the motor go for it... This is one of those projects that will never get finished though.. Unless you are one of those few people that pulls amazing stuff like this out of your a$$... lol

jason3977

So let me ask you! do you think it can be done! i have the resources for getting it in the car and bolting everything up! thats easy! i have a benz guy here that says he can wire it up! He is the dude that everybody goes to for that kind of stuff. but i am trying to get some positive input. my cuz got rear ended by a truck (high hit)! insurance let him keep the car for a less amount paid out!! so i have the whole car. i have other cars so i can take my time with this.
As far as the stand alone??? what kind are you talking about?

jason3977

I got you! I have a whole car though! It was hit in the rear! my cuz car![QUOTE=RobertG;3739263]

jason3977

Just wanna thank everyone with the positive responses! All others please feel free to not reply negitively! please! Mother always said "if you dont have nothing nice to say, dont say anything"!!!!

ZorroAMG

It's a forum with free speech. Live with it.

As for the swap, it would probably be easier to put your "E55" motor and tranny into your 04 E500.

jason3977

I know its free speech but we are men not boys! if someone is asking for help! help them! If you think it cant work tell them. dont post a "lol" with a icon eating popcorn. juvenile!!!! whats funny is the little sidekick icons! come on man!
i know it would be easier in a 04 e500! i have one. but i dont want to do that! i just think that motor in a 500e body would look very nice! i have the time to sort it out!

ps2cho

I honestly don't think you should ruin what is already a very special car. Get something like a 300E to do the swap with.

190E 16V

Hey, 3977;

Please direct your comments specifically to ChrisDpham.
I agree it was snide and not necessary.
However, you did ask for opinions, and the other people did reply honestly for your benefit.
They called upon their experience to guide you as to whether you would find the project worth the effort.
Perhaps you did not like their answers, or felt they were trying to discourage you, but they were NOT criticizing you.

I wish you well, if you decide to go ahead with this. Please let us know how it turns out.

Saijin_Naib

I agree with pscho. Do it to a 300e or even better, a 300ce. Something that is fairly common and not already special like the 500e is.

jason3977

I DONT HAVE ROOM FOR ANOTHER CAR! HAVE 4 AS IT IS! BUT I DO LIKE THE 300CE IDEA, BUT I CANT DO IT! I AM GOING TO TRY THIS SWAP. THIS 500E WILL NEVER LEAVE ME UNLESS CRASHED OR STOLEN (GOD FORBID) SO I WANT IT TO MOVE! IF IT DOESNT WORK I WILL SWITCH IT BACK TO STOCK AND TURBOCHARGE IT!

whipplem104

The use of the factory computers would be very difficult. Some you would have to have in the car but not be using very much of. The SBC would be one. You would also have to get the differential to fit or atleast get the right ratios. Also the rear speed sensors would have to read the right number of pulses per rev which I am pretty sure they are not. The EIS and steering lock would have to be installed some how. You would need to basically gut your car and transplant most of the computers in the engine bay. And the fuse boxes.
To go standalone injection would be much easier. You could use Electromotive, AEM, Motec, etc for fuel injection. Use someone who has 60-2 teeth crank technology as it is the same as Mercedes. For transmission control you can pretty much only use the Powertrain Control Solutions tcu which I can help you with. You can get a shifter out of a early 722.6 equipped w202 or w129. It is a direct bolt in and will only require shortening the shift linkage rod and wiring. All the existing speed sensors on the car would work.
This is of course after you get th engine in the car. I am not 100% that it will fit with the existing crossmember. The 55k motor has a funny oil pan. There is also the issue of air conditioning if you still want it. You would have to make another mounting bracket for your original a/c compressor. The one on the 55k will not work with your climate control at all. But the only way to find out is pull your engine out and try sticking it in the hole.

ZedStyle

'mbenzman' would be a good guy to talk to.. he has a bada$$ 500E and an evil e55. a crazy clk55 too. at least he did the last time i saw him. send him a pm, i think he still visits some of the forums...

neanderthal

It can be done, but i'm in the group that thinks doing it to a 500E is near blasphemy. You already have a limited edition vehicle. If you are going to end up just about butchering it surely a lesser car is a better candidate.

If it doesn't workout then at least you still have an unmolested 124.036

190E 16V

+1 Well said.

smithcb2

The differential probably wouldnt handle the ~500 lbs of torque either.. I'd be looking at an entire driveline swap, along with the computers....

I wonder how the stock suspension would handle something like that...

A 55 driveline in a w124 is probably something we've all dreamed of at some point, but the epic amount of work to set everything up such that the computers think youre actually driving a 55, and fit it in the engine bay, deter most of us at some point.

Good luck, if you go this route. Anything can be done with enough money and knowhow.

jason3977

Thanx everyone for the input! i am going to try this project and post pics! i am going to get rid of my bmw 330ci and buy another 500e and leave it stock! i am just a person that doesnt like the same or a car in its class to be able to drive next to me! lol!

ZedStyle

just out of curiousity, how many times have you actually driven next to another w124 e500?

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