84 190e 5spd tranny into 86 300e?
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84 190e 5spd tranny into 86 300e?
Does anyone know if a 5spd transmission from an 84 190E 2.3L will fit in my 86 300E 3.0L 5spd?
The stock 5spd in my 300E still works but is getting close to the point of needing a rebuild and I found another 5spd from an 84 190E with a 2.3L for only $450 in really decent shape. Would this swap over? I've heard the 2.3 is the same block as the 3.0 just with a different bore and stroke. Not sure if this is actually true, but it's what I heard
Just trying to lower my repair expenses. I will be doing all the work myself so that will be saving me the most money. If it won't work and I'll have to have it rebuilt at a shop it's gonna cost me a bundle I'm sure.
Anyway, if anybody has any information on this I would be extremely happy and gratefull!
Thanks ahead of time
The stock 5spd in my 300E still works but is getting close to the point of needing a rebuild and I found another 5spd from an 84 190E with a 2.3L for only $450 in really decent shape. Would this swap over? I've heard the 2.3 is the same block as the 3.0 just with a different bore and stroke. Not sure if this is actually true, but it's what I heard
Just trying to lower my repair expenses. I will be doing all the work myself so that will be saving me the most money. If it won't work and I'll have to have it rebuilt at a shop it's gonna cost me a bundle I'm sure.
Anyway, if anybody has any information on this I would be extremely happy and gratefull!
Thanks ahead of time
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Hold Your Horses, Buckaroo!
The 190E 2.3 is a 4 cylinder engine!
The 2.6 litre engine in a 190 is a 6 cylinder engine enlarged to a 3.0 litre in the W124.
That being said, the tranny might well be compatible, but you should have your dealer, or a knowledgeable person, check parts numbers.
Shoomakan just did his manual tranny swap, so he may well be correct!
The 2.6 litre engine in a 190 is a 6 cylinder engine enlarged to a 3.0 litre in the W124.
That being said, the tranny might well be compatible, but you should have your dealer, or a knowledgeable person, check parts numbers.
Shoomakan just did his manual tranny swap, so he may well be correct!
Does anyone know if a 5spd transmission from an 84 190E 2.3L will fit in my 86 300E 3.0L 5spd?
The stock 5spd in my 300E still works but is getting close to the point of needing a rebuild and I found another 5spd from an 84 190E with a 2.3L for only $450 in really decent shape. Would this swap over? I've heard the 2.3 is the same block as the 3.0 just with a different bore and stroke. Not sure if this is actually true, but it's what I heard
Just trying to lower my repair expenses. I will be doing all the work myself so that will be saving me the most money. If it won't work and I'll have to have it rebuilt at a shop it's gonna cost me a bundle I'm sure.
Anyway, if anybody has any information on this I would be extremely happy and gratefull!
Thanks ahead of time
The stock 5spd in my 300E still works but is getting close to the point of needing a rebuild and I found another 5spd from an 84 190E with a 2.3L for only $450 in really decent shape. Would this swap over? I've heard the 2.3 is the same block as the 3.0 just with a different bore and stroke. Not sure if this is actually true, but it's what I heard
Just trying to lower my repair expenses. I will be doing all the work myself so that will be saving me the most money. If it won't work and I'll have to have it rebuilt at a shop it's gonna cost me a bundle I'm sure.
Anyway, if anybody has any information on this I would be extremely happy and gratefull!
Thanks ahead of time
Last edited by 190E 16V; May 8, 2011 at 10:58 AM. Reason: Additional info
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Depends on the day
The 190E 2.3 is a 4 cylinder engine!
The 2.6 litre engine in a 190 is a 6 cylinder engine enlarged to a 3.0 litre in the W124.
That being said, the tranny might well be compatible, but you should have your dealer, or a knowledgeable person, check parts numbers.
Shoomakan just did his manual tranny swap, so he may well be correct!
The 2.6 litre engine in a 190 is a 6 cylinder engine enlarged to a 3.0 litre in the W124.
That being said, the tranny might well be compatible, but you should have your dealer, or a knowledgeable person, check parts numbers.
Shoomakan just did his manual tranny swap, so he may well be correct!
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The only issue I have with it is that the gearshift is not slick at all, and feels very loose. Now, the bushings MAY be worn, but I doubt it'll be near anything close to my M30's Getrag transmission feel.
What's your opinion on the tranny, bsmuk? Same complaints I have?
What's your opinion on the tranny, bsmuk? Same complaints I have?
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Thanks Shoomakan. Was yours the same tranny? Nice deal too!
@ 190E 16V Thanks, I've been looking at so much information that I can't keep things straight in my head anymore
I will definitely get the numbers and get Mercedes a call.
@ 190E 16V Thanks, I've been looking at so much information that I can't keep things straight in my head anymore
I will definitely get the numbers and get Mercedes a call.
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Depends on the day
The only issue I have with it is that the gearshift is not slick at all, and feels very loose. Now, the bushings MAY be worn, but I doubt it'll be near anything close to my M30's Getrag transmission feel.
What's your opinion on the tranny, bsmuk? Same complaints I have?
What's your opinion on the tranny, bsmuk? Same complaints I have?
i have brass shifter bushings in my shifter and have lengthened the arms by an inch (30mm maybe?). it's improved teh shift feel a lot, but you'll never get rid of that inherent sloppyness.
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300TE, 300CE
190d 2.2 manual transmission
I was curious about the 5 speed in my 190D. It's a 717.410.
The 190E manual is 717.412, and the 2.3-16 manual is 717.410.
I'm amused that it appears the 5 speed dog leg 5th gear manual in my diesel was also used in the 16 valve! Vehicles on opposite ends of the spectrum
Do I have bad info?
The 190E manual is 717.412, and the 2.3-16 manual is 717.410.
I'm amused that it appears the 5 speed dog leg 5th gear manual in my diesel was also used in the 16 valve! Vehicles on opposite ends of the spectrum
Do I have bad info?
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If they are the same, DS, I'm not surprised. You'd need a strong manual tranny to handle the torque the diesel generates.
The dogleg is more powerful than the normal 5 speed. Speaking of which, anyone know how much power it'll handle? I do aim to modify the car, and soon. I'd like to know if it is a bottle neck.
The dogleg is more powerful than the normal 5 speed. Speaking of which, anyone know how much power it'll handle? I do aim to modify the car, and soon. I'd like to know if it is a bottle neck.
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124 320ce amg widebody twin turbo, the nail
getrag dog box will handel 400 bhp almost indefinatly, if the oil is good
the shifter mechanisms are the same for all the 190 124 manual trannies, and it is the linkages not the box that makes the change crap.
the shifter mechanisms are the same for all the 190 124 manual trannies, and it is the linkages not the box that makes the change crap.
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Shoom,
I had the Getrag on my 16valve Cossie.
Not as slick as some, but I loved it!
Dogleg means less chance of mid-shifting into first, as well
If you buy one, make sure the synchros are in good shape. My mechanic buddy was telling me that it is very common to have 2nd to 3rd synchro worn/damaged from aggressive driving.
IIRC, someone was saying this gearbox was used in the old M3 as well. Is that right?
I had the Getrag on my 16valve Cossie.
Not as slick as some, but I loved it!
Dogleg means less chance of mid-shifting into first, as well
If you buy one, make sure the synchros are in good shape. My mechanic buddy was telling me that it is very common to have 2nd to 3rd synchro worn/damaged from aggressive driving.
IIRC, someone was saying this gearbox was used in the old M3 as well. Is that right?
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The dogleg is the one with reverse on top of first gear, and 2nd where 3rd would be, etc...
The entire point of the dogleg is to remove the need to use the entire left side of the gate. :P
The entire point of the dogleg is to remove the need to use the entire left side of the gate. :P
