Blackstone oil analysis results E430 2k
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Blackstone oil analysis results E430 2k
We bought this car used a couple of weeks ago. The service records show that the PO had used the FSS computer to trigger oil changes. Average was 13k miles OCI. Oil used was M1 0w40 and Mann Fleece filter. When I changed it, (and pulled this sample), the FSS was indicating 7700 miles to oil change. So I figure the last change was 6k miles or so. I'm pretty impressed with this motor and this oil...
2000 MB E430 4.3L v8
Oil Type: M1 0W40
Mi on Oil: 6k dunno for sure
Mi on Veh: 67474
Second number is universal average:
Aluminum: 2 7
Chromium: 0 1
Iron: 4 16
Copper: 2 7
Lead: 0 6
Tin: 0 1
Molybdenum: 47 15
Nickel: 0 1
Manganese: 0 7
Silver: 0 0
Titanium: 0 0
Potassium: 0 1
Boron: 63 52
Silicon: 13 14
Sodium: 10 8
Calcium: 2131 1445
Magnesium: 311 817
Phosphorus: 995 853
Zinc: 1142 1005
Barium: 0 0
Vis@210 71.2
TBN 9.4
Blackstone comments:
JIM: We see few engines of any type that wear as well as your MB 4.3L. You don't know the miles put on this oil and we can only guess, but it was not many. The oil type may be 10w40. Our average oil sample from this type engine has been in use 8,660 miles, so operators of this type engine get the most out of their oil fills, Universal average wear is based on those miles. We suggest going with the computer for the oil changeas 7,700 more miles should get you up to about average. The TBN was 9.4, quite high. Resample at the change to monitor wear.
2000 MB E430 4.3L v8
Oil Type: M1 0W40
Mi on Oil: 6k dunno for sure
Mi on Veh: 67474
Second number is universal average:
Aluminum: 2 7
Chromium: 0 1
Iron: 4 16
Copper: 2 7
Lead: 0 6
Tin: 0 1
Molybdenum: 47 15
Nickel: 0 1
Manganese: 0 7
Silver: 0 0
Titanium: 0 0
Potassium: 0 1
Boron: 63 52
Silicon: 13 14
Sodium: 10 8
Calcium: 2131 1445
Magnesium: 311 817
Phosphorus: 995 853
Zinc: 1142 1005
Barium: 0 0
Vis@210 71.2
TBN 9.4
Blackstone comments:
JIM: We see few engines of any type that wear as well as your MB 4.3L. You don't know the miles put on this oil and we can only guess, but it was not many. The oil type may be 10w40. Our average oil sample from this type engine has been in use 8,660 miles, so operators of this type engine get the most out of their oil fills, Universal average wear is based on those miles. We suggest going with the computer for the oil changeas 7,700 more miles should get you up to about average. The TBN was 9.4, quite high. Resample at the change to monitor wear.
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Oil analysis is really only usefull when there is a history of analysis to compare and plot a graph. One sample is almost meaningless unless there is something that sticks out like a sore thumb.
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That's good oil... I can see why Mercedes uses it. I probably won't stick with FSS, but I can see that 6k miles is very do-able.
Thanks for your comments, SOSH.
On the contrary, I find UOA's (especially the first one) very meaningful. Here's what I see: a robust oil, with an excellent additive package that's holding it's own very well. TBN is extraordinary, the oil did not shear out of grade (still a mid-40). Phos and zinc not depleted. And besides all that, low wear numbers.
I've never owned a vehicle with such long oil change intervals, so seeing the low wear numbers was a bonus...
Thanks,
Jim
Thanks for your comments, SOSH.
On the contrary, I find UOA's (especially the first one) very meaningful. Here's what I see: a robust oil, with an excellent additive package that's holding it's own very well. TBN is extraordinary, the oil did not shear out of grade (still a mid-40). Phos and zinc not depleted. And besides all that, low wear numbers. I've never owned a vehicle with such long oil change intervals, so seeing the low wear numbers was a bonus...
Thanks,
Jim
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Hey Jim, did you post your results in the Used Oil Analysis (UOA) section of Bitog (Google Bitog if you don't know what that means)? You will get a lot more response there.
If you are going to do 6 month or 6,000 mile oil changes, then you can save some money and use a conventional SM oil in the correct grade for your climate. You could also use the regular paper Hengst or Mann filter. The fleece filter was developed so that the filter wouldn't break down over an extended OCI (up to 20k miles or 2 years).
I am assuming that you used M1 0W-40 (8 quarts) when you refilled the crankcase. That oil will easily go 1 year / 13k miles. The results of your UOA were EXCELLENT ! It isn't only that the oil is excellent; these MB engines do not have variable valve timing, which makes things harder on the oil, and these engines have very large crankcases (approx 8 quarts).
I am going to be doing an oil change and UOA on my 03 E320 in the next couple of months. I am changing it out at around 12 to 13k miles (approximately 20k km). If I were to go by the FSS on my car, it would go to nearly 18k miles or 2 years.
Good luck and enjoy your car!
William
2003 E320
If you are going to do 6 month or 6,000 mile oil changes, then you can save some money and use a conventional SM oil in the correct grade for your climate. You could also use the regular paper Hengst or Mann filter. The fleece filter was developed so that the filter wouldn't break down over an extended OCI (up to 20k miles or 2 years).
I am assuming that you used M1 0W-40 (8 quarts) when you refilled the crankcase. That oil will easily go 1 year / 13k miles. The results of your UOA were EXCELLENT ! It isn't only that the oil is excellent; these MB engines do not have variable valve timing, which makes things harder on the oil, and these engines have very large crankcases (approx 8 quarts).
I am going to be doing an oil change and UOA on my 03 E320 in the next couple of months. I am changing it out at around 12 to 13k miles (approximately 20k km). If I were to go by the FSS on my car, it would go to nearly 18k miles or 2 years.
Good luck and enjoy your car!
William
2003 E320
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Thanks X72! Yes, the results are on BITOG. I've been a member for a long time.
As good as that UOA looked, I'll still use the 0w40 M1 and the fleece filter. The purpose of the early change was just curiosity. Since I wasn't 100% sure how long the oil was there (or what it was...), I just wanted to change it. I'm also doing the tranny.
Mine took about 8.5 qts of M1 0w40, btw.
Thanks!
Jim
As good as that UOA looked, I'll still use the 0w40 M1 and the fleece filter. The purpose of the early change was just curiosity. Since I wasn't 100% sure how long the oil was there (or what it was...), I just wanted to change it. I'm also doing the tranny.
Mine took about 8.5 qts of M1 0w40, btw.
Thanks!
Jim
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Hey bglz42, it would be hard to go wrong sticking with your documented successful strategy using M1 0W-40. The ATF change seems like a good idea too. Just stick with the MB synthetic fluid.
The only other things I can think of to check on a W210 if you want to keep it a long time is to make sure your car is not subject to the harmonic balancer recall and to check the spring perches for rust as well as rust at the bottom of the doors behind the rubber seal. If the car lived in a desert climate and you are in a desert climate, you can probably skip the rust check. If you live in the snow belt, then the rust check may not be a bad idea.
You can search those topics and see what you find. The only other common problem reported on these boards that I have seen in the W210 is occasional failure of the power rear window regulator.
Thats all I can think of. Enjoy your car. I will post on the W210 board and at Bitog when I do my UOA.
William
2003 E320
The only other things I can think of to check on a W210 if you want to keep it a long time is to make sure your car is not subject to the harmonic balancer recall and to check the spring perches for rust as well as rust at the bottom of the doors behind the rubber seal. If the car lived in a desert climate and you are in a desert climate, you can probably skip the rust check. If you live in the snow belt, then the rust check may not be a bad idea.
You can search those topics and see what you find. The only other common problem reported on these boards that I have seen in the W210 is occasional failure of the power rear window regulator.
Thats all I can think of. Enjoy your car. I will post on the W210 board and at Bitog when I do my UOA.
William
2003 E320
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Thanks for the advise! All the recalls were done, and the motor mounts replaced under warranty. Checked thoroughly for rust, and there was none that could be found.
I found a really good deal on the MB Z80001-10773 ATF on the web, and bought a bunch of it. Less than 10 bucks a bottle...
Thanks
Jim
I found a really good deal on the MB Z80001-10773 ATF on the web, and bought a bunch of it. Less than 10 bucks a bottle...
Thanks
Jim
