Short circuit on fuse 11 on rear fuse box
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W210 E220CDI, Alfa Romeo 164 TURBO 2.0L 4C, several Citroens
Short circuit on fuse 11 on rear fuse box
Hi everyone, as you see I'm new to this forum.
I joined mainly because of issues I've been having with a 1999 E220 CDI Avantgarde estate (model W210.206). I do know it's not a common model in the US, given your cheaper fuel prices, a 2.2L diesel on such a heavy car really makes no sense.
I have mechanical experience, having maintained this car almost since new.
I also own an Alfa Romeo 164 Turbo, 2.0L, 4C and it's has a special place, so to say, and several Citroens: ZX 1.4i and 1.9D, Saxo VTS, C15 panel van, etc.
So, the issue with the W210 at the moment is that the 7.5A fuse #11 at rear fuse box (under seat) blew. Below the fuse, there are two terminals each with two blue and red (?) striped wires. One of these terminals shorts to ground.
I disconnected the shorted terminal from fusebox and left the one connecting to the sunroof there. This stopped the fuse from blowing.
For now, I've only noticed that the alarm motion sensors are not working, presumably not getting power due to the disconnected wire. What I really need is a wiring diagram to trace the wires to a faulty unit or know if there is a chaffed wire somewhere.
Any and all help will be appreciated. I tried but couldn't get diagrams of these circuits.
I joined mainly because of issues I've been having with a 1999 E220 CDI Avantgarde estate (model W210.206). I do know it's not a common model in the US, given your cheaper fuel prices, a 2.2L diesel on such a heavy car really makes no sense.
I have mechanical experience, having maintained this car almost since new.
I also own an Alfa Romeo 164 Turbo, 2.0L, 4C and it's has a special place, so to say, and several Citroens: ZX 1.4i and 1.9D, Saxo VTS, C15 panel van, etc.
So, the issue with the W210 at the moment is that the 7.5A fuse #11 at rear fuse box (under seat) blew. Below the fuse, there are two terminals each with two blue and red (?) striped wires. One of these terminals shorts to ground.
I disconnected the shorted terminal from fusebox and left the one connecting to the sunroof there. This stopped the fuse from blowing.
For now, I've only noticed that the alarm motion sensors are not working, presumably not getting power due to the disconnected wire. What I really need is a wiring diagram to trace the wires to a faulty unit or know if there is a chaffed wire somewhere.
Any and all help will be appreciated. I tried but couldn't get diagrams of these circuits.
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WDB2102061A722276
MODEL NAME: E 220 CDI
ENGINE: 611961 30 099882
TRANSMISSION: 717466 07 714897
BODY: 00000
FRONT AXLE: BE3200X1196967X41341
ORDER NUMBER: 0956121714
LIGHTS: HELLA
INTERIOR COLOR: 201A
PAINTS: 189
RETARDER: 8 990531
200A LEATHER
213 PARAMETER STEERING
220 PARKTRONIC SYSTEM (PTS)
249 AUTOMATICALLY DIPPING INSIDE REAR VIEW MIRROR
414 ELECTRIC TILT/SLIDE SUNROOF IN GLASS VERSION
480 SELF-LEVELLING SUSPENSION
500 OUTSIDE REAR VIEW MIRROR LH AND RH FOLDING
543 SUN VISOR WITH MAKE-UP MIRROR L. AND R., BE-
551 ANTI-THEFT/ANTI-BREAK-IN WARNING SYSTEM
600 HEADLAMPS - CLEANING EQUIPMENT
611 EXIT LIGHTS FOR DRIVER DOORS
612 XENON HEADLIGHT
630 ECE - WARNING TRIANGLE
659 LIGHT ALLOY WHEELS, 5-HOLE
673 HIGH-CAPACITY BATTERY
693 ALL-ROUND WD-BLUE GLASS,BAND FILTER,REAR WINDOW-ES
753 RADIO MB AUDIO 10 CC WITH VK/RDS
809 AEJ 06/1/M/X
819 CD CHANGER
882 INTERIOR SAFEGUARD/TOWING PROTECTION
954 EQUIPMENT PACKAGE FOR AVANTGARDE VEHICLES
984 COC DOC., DELETION OF VEHICLE REGISTRATION DOC.
BIS CODE 809
AB CODE 800
This is as much data as I have. I'd love to have the ammount of data for this car as I have for the Alfa Romeo. I'm surprise there isn't a Haynes manual for this model.
MODEL NAME: E 220 CDI
ENGINE: 611961 30 099882
TRANSMISSION: 717466 07 714897
BODY: 00000
FRONT AXLE: BE3200X1196967X41341
ORDER NUMBER: 0956121714
LIGHTS: HELLA
INTERIOR COLOR: 201A
PAINTS: 189
RETARDER: 8 990531
200A LEATHER
213 PARAMETER STEERING
220 PARKTRONIC SYSTEM (PTS)
249 AUTOMATICALLY DIPPING INSIDE REAR VIEW MIRROR
414 ELECTRIC TILT/SLIDE SUNROOF IN GLASS VERSION
480 SELF-LEVELLING SUSPENSION
500 OUTSIDE REAR VIEW MIRROR LH AND RH FOLDING
543 SUN VISOR WITH MAKE-UP MIRROR L. AND R., BE-
551 ANTI-THEFT/ANTI-BREAK-IN WARNING SYSTEM
600 HEADLAMPS - CLEANING EQUIPMENT
611 EXIT LIGHTS FOR DRIVER DOORS
612 XENON HEADLIGHT
630 ECE - WARNING TRIANGLE
659 LIGHT ALLOY WHEELS, 5-HOLE
673 HIGH-CAPACITY BATTERY
693 ALL-ROUND WD-BLUE GLASS,BAND FILTER,REAR WINDOW-ES
753 RADIO MB AUDIO 10 CC WITH VK/RDS
809 AEJ 06/1/M/X
819 CD CHANGER
882 INTERIOR SAFEGUARD/TOWING PROTECTION
954 EQUIPMENT PACKAGE FOR AVANTGARDE VEHICLES
984 COC DOC., DELETION OF VEHICLE REGISTRATION DOC.
BIS CODE 809
AB CODE 800
This is as much data as I have. I'd love to have the ammount of data for this car as I have for the Alfa Romeo. I'm surprise there isn't a Haynes manual for this model.
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There must be something wrong. There are no other fuses on that block, the fuse chart says fuse 11 powers the sunroof and alarm. It couldn't connect to fuses that are not there and have no wiring.
Just knowing where they go to and what path they follow would be great.
Where are the alarm control units? Where do the motion sensors connect to?
Thanks for your time and help.
Just knowing where they go to and what path they follow would be great.
Where are the alarm control units? Where do the motion sensors connect to?
Thanks for your time and help.
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I took the VIN from a dealership invoice I had at hand. I just confirmed on the chassis: WDB2102061A922276.
The fuse box I referred to is the one by the battery, under right rear seat.
It contains following fuses:
1 - 20A
2 - 20A
3 - 7.5A
4 - 25A
5 - 25A
7 - 20A
11 - 7.5A
And two 40A fuses, one numbered 20 and the other has no number.
Connecting to fuse 11 are two terminals, each with 2 thin striped wires, RED AND BLUE with YELLOW marks.
One of these terminals is shorted to ground. I disconnected that shorted terminal and left the other one connected. This got the sunroof working but the motion sensors don't work.
So, the origin of the short should be either on the units the shorted terminal connects to or in the wiring. I just need to know where the wire goes to and how it gets there.
The fuse box I referred to is the one by the battery, under right rear seat.
It contains following fuses:
1 - 20A
2 - 20A
3 - 7.5A
4 - 25A
5 - 25A
7 - 20A
11 - 7.5A
And two 40A fuses, one numbered 20 and the other has no number.
Connecting to fuse 11 are two terminals, each with 2 thin striped wires, RED AND BLUE with YELLOW marks.
One of these terminals is shorted to ground. I disconnected that shorted terminal and left the other one connected. This got the sunroof working but the motion sensors don't work.
So, the origin of the short should be either on the units the shorted terminal connects to or in the wiring. I just need to know where the wire goes to and how it gets there.
Last edited by SpiralArchitect; Apr 23, 2013 at 07:36 PM. Reason: Corrected the number on 40A fuse.
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I did a quick check on the pump and sensors (I'll look into it better tomorrow, it's a bit late now).
One thing I didn't quite get is how the sensors are fastened. I pulled the triangular plastic cover and found no screws. Does the pillar trim have to come off to get to remove these sensors and get to the wiring?
There are two other wires connected to fuse 11, do both go to the sunroof circuit?
About electronic diagnosis, I had been looking for some diagnosis tools for my brother's W202 C180 automatic estate. He asked some sellers of cheap OBD diagnosis interfaces and could not get a straight answer if they'd work for his car. Any recommendations?
I'll buy you that glass whenever you come to these parts. I'll even buy the whole bottle!
One thing I didn't quite get is how the sensors are fastened. I pulled the triangular plastic cover and found no screws. Does the pillar trim have to come off to get to remove these sensors and get to the wiring?
There are two other wires connected to fuse 11, do both go to the sunroof circuit?
About electronic diagnosis, I had been looking for some diagnosis tools for my brother's W202 C180 automatic estate. He asked some sellers of cheap OBD diagnosis interfaces and could not get a straight answer if they'd work for his car. Any recommendations?
I'll buy you that glass whenever you come to these parts. I'll even buy the whole bottle!
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I'll try and get to the wiring on the motion sensors and pump to see what is at fault.
The OBD system we were looking for was meant for engine diagnosis mainly. My brother has had some power loss when switching from LPG to petrol at high RPM and suspects a bad coil. I can't tell if his diagnosis is right without seeing for myself.
I have seen some ads for used DAS Xentry systems and prices are around 600€ for the interface and software. Most charge about 200€ for the laptop.
I don't think it is an expensive system considering all the data that comes with it. I just think I will have no return of such an investment.
The OBD system we were looking for was meant for engine diagnosis mainly. My brother has had some power loss when switching from LPG to petrol at high RPM and suspects a bad coil. I can't tell if his diagnosis is right without seeing for myself.
I have seen some ads for used DAS Xentry systems and prices are around 600€ for the interface and software. Most charge about 200€ for the laptop.
I don't think it is an expensive system considering all the data that comes with it. I just think I will have no return of such an investment.
Last edited by SpiralArchitect; Apr 24, 2013 at 09:30 AM. Reason: Corrected an error.
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1989 560 SEC -Supercharged
I am having a very similar issue with my 01 E320 wagon. Vin# WDBJH65J71B382629. While investigating why my ESP BAS and ABS light were lit I found fuse #11 in the fuse box located under the rear seat blown. When I replaced the fuse it immediately blew again. I removed the fuse panel to inspect the wiring and found everything was intact and no signs of moisture etc. There are 2 wires connected to one terminal and 1 additional wire attached next to it. With a meter I found both these connection were shorted directly to ground explaining why the fuse would blow. My next step is to remove the PSE pump and look for anything abnormal but I must say all my door locks, remote keyfob work as they should. I read in this thread that possibly there is some sort of alarm module located in the PSE pump housing but this is the only thread with this information. I would deeply appreciate any feedback on what the heck is going on. I will ad this car has 83k original miles and has been serviced properly AKA an unmolested very nice example. Thanks in advance, Mike
