MB-JIM

Read on JESMB that the current SBC brakes on the W211's will be replaced next spring along with the face lift. It will be a conventional brake system with SBC similar functions. They also said that the SL will keep the present system until 2012 when the next model comes out.

MB Fanatic

Can we get a link please.

MB-JIM

The link is <jesmb.de>
It is in German but you can use a translated version

TPAbnz

MB JIM, your link does'nt work.

BTW, I REALLY like my SBC.

Jakpro1

Course my source was rumor as well, but I heard that was all part of the major change to the W212 in 2009.

2007 I hear is just 6.3 with minor body changes and improved CLS handling advances to freshen up.

MB-JIM

Try this:

<http://jesmb.de/indexie.htm>

BudC

"In the spring it gives then a Facelift for the e-class (some change outside and inside as well as new V8 engine M273 and E 63 AMG). Besides the SBC brake is replaced by a conventional brake with SBC similar functions."

I think the M273 is the new 4-valve V8. Get out your checkbook guys

glojo

What a sad day, I wonder if this is more cost cutting. I say this simply because the flagship Mercedes-Benz has this brilliant system. (SLR)

Will the new vehicles will finally offer the US all the European SBC options?

Have a nice day,
John

A nice warm morning in Torquay

FirstMB

According to my Motortrend magazine, the new V8 is a 5.5 liters making around 380hp. So, the new E will be an E550. Have mine for a year, and it's already becoming obsolete...oh well.

BudC

There's also a 4.5 liter version. Who knows what MBUSA will import.

As for the current 5 liter being obsolete, you can look at it as a muture, reliable engine that has lots of torque. For Americans, that's what matters most.

BudC

I'm sure cost is the primary reason. Daimler-Chrysler may be worried about long-term liability costs as well as the cost to manufacture the system.

BMW seem to be able to include much of the features of the SBC system in their new 3er's and it's driven by a regular hydraulic master cylinder.

CE750

This totally smacks of cost cutting.. as the three MB master techs I spoke to at my loacl dealer all said they have had 0 problems with the SBC from a maint standpoint in their 3 years servicing E class, so it clearly isn't a problematic system, but rather a more expensive one. I read in a previous post a lot of other features have ben removed from the '06 CDI over the '05.. this is a classic cost cutting measure.. you adjust the price up a bit, and you take out a few items.. such as the rear leather inserts on the '05's.. very disappointing.

DWP

... or it could still be an E500. The C230K actually has a 1.8 litre engine (!) and the C240 has a 2.6 litre engine. The new BMW 325i and 330i have the same displacement, 3.0 litres. The displacement indicated by the model number doesn't always correspond to actual displacement, although it currently does so in the E-Class. You're probably right about the E550, if only because M-B will want to highlight their new V8 with a distinctive badge. Besides, E550 drivers can just remove the "0" and start posting in the E55 AMG forum, right?

glojo

Spot on. The E280 CDI is a 3ltr, the E320CDI is the same 3ltr engine and the E420CDI is the V8 4ltr engine.

Confused?? You will be when you watch the next instalment of SOAP!! What am I rambling on about??

Take care,
John

jprescott

Your 3 master techs forgot to tell you about the SBC recalls. If you search prior threads you will see that there have been software upgrades for most and brake bleeding for many(including myself). I'm sure you are aware that SBC has been contraversial on this forum with it's less predictable and catchy feel. My service rep who has been with MB for years said that they get many complaints about the SBC ( which is reflected on the forums). I personally find SBC to be the worst part of the W211 and a significant reason why I'm happy to get rid of it. It stomps on my driving buzz. Anyhow, I'm glad they are getting rid of it.I'm looking at the new S class and if it had SBC I wouldn't touch it.

lig

Having said goodbye to my E320 - the thing I miss the least was the feel of those SBC brakes.

I've spoken w/M-B techs who cringe at the mere mention of SBC.

CE750

The recall were totally pro-active.. there were a few instances in older W211's in Germany and the EU where the system used the incorrect algorithm to shut down the electronic system and switch to manual mode, but that was addressed in the recall, and all cars built 3/05 and newer were done at production. This isn't the same thing as Ford recalling Crown Vic and Lincoln because 23 of them exploded on a rear collision!

EDIT: BTW.. JPrescott.. are you aware that you XC 90 has a form of SBC?

BudC

Don't complain Sam. They gave us back the dip stick and the most important thing of all for Americans, they gave us improved cup holders

CE750

I think the early production models had bad feel to them, the '05's and newer are a lot better now. If they are indeed getting rid of it for '07, that would be a shame and a waste of R&D to bring them up to where they are now.

As for the S class, you can bank on it.. they'll have SBC2 and it will be even better.. But that's just speculation.

CE750

Oh yeah.. I'd switch out SBC, ESP, Boron steel, and 5-arm multi link for a good cup holder.

BudC

Don't laugh, most Ford drivers would do just that

CE750

You really don't realize how much MB puts into R&D for safety until you parse one of these cars into it's individual safe components.

It's just sad that they develop it, and the Japanese refine it and take credit for it in the form of "higher quality" cars.

I'm no expect on bikes, but I guess the reverse can be said of the Motorcycle industry where Yamaha and Kawasaki are always inovating and do more to improve cafe bikes than anyone, yet people still rant about Ducati and Triumph.

glojo

Hi,
The crazy thing that I have never understood, is that the US 211 has a very cut down, basic version of SBC, yet like you have correctly stated there has been complaints about SBC, but I believe only from US members???

You have complained about cup holders and got different cup holders ( but still there are complaints ) Why not let US vehicles have the old drum brakes and let the rest of the World keep this excellent system?

Just remembered.
There have been European complaints about rear disc pads wearing out before the fronts, but I cannot recall any complaints about the operation of the system.

Regards,
John

ATS

Yeah.. I have to say I love the SBC system. I was wondering, do you think anyone could enable the SBC Hold system in a N/A car?

CE750

proof of the stupidity of the average American car buyer, is the average American car.. I mean the market is made by the consumer, not the manufacturer. In Europe, people (for what ever reason) are more into their cars (hmm.. maybe cause they cost 2-3 times as much). You couldn't (and they tried, God knows how many times) sell the carp Detroit builds and sells all day long in this Country in a typical EU nation, or the UK.

So while I hate the fact that MB is skimping on some of the "gee wiz" features by making them optional, the rest of the car, and the engineering of the company (SBC included) is great! Give me more!

This reminds me of when avionics first went computerized (glass ****pit) and all the pilots said.. oh no! What if it goes out? or why make it so complicated?? etc... today, even a $500,000 Cessna comes with "Glass" ****pit.

We move forward, not back.